Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 6: I'm a co-host, not a doctor

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Sheep007 posted...

the thing that makes you wanna kill me is a fine point that came out basically the way I wanted.

You've done this all game: intentionally lied about me, reducing my arguments to being about one thing.

Also, yes with wrt Lea:

JC's claim is bad, his managing of it isn't great, and I think Crescent is giving him way too much the benefit of the doubt.

Scum doesn't need to take the risk on making that play, Lea. If they shot Crescent and she doesn't move, JC instantly dies. It's not necessarily the worst odds on the risk, because they know that me and Death were vanilla and could well have scanned another non-mover, but I see no reason to make that particular move when scum are already down and it doesn't even make JC look good. If they have a scan, just say the person they actually scanned, if they don't, they don't need to make a claim like that.

Thought of a really stupid theory.

What if ulti isn't actually the bullet proof Doctor and is scum who did not send in a kill.

He looked confirmed before sorta killing Chris but now for sure with "saving Creasent or being shot himself"

But that is a wild theory

It's the 3 possible options that seem odd BP doctor seems op

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If that did not exist then yeah, JC is firmly in the PoE and probably gets lynched today instead of you.

Idk man, maybe I'm getting it wrong but this reads to me like you would be happier to lynch JC than me without the "slip".

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Thought of a really stupid theory.

What if ulti isn't actually the bullet proof Doctor and is scum who did not send in a kill.

He looked confirmed before sorta killing Chris but now for sure with "saving Creasent or being shot himself"

But that is a wild theory

Sultan, buddy, I admire your innocence, but

Sheep007 posted...

Idk man, maybe I'm getting it wrong but this reads to me like you would be happier to lynch JC than me without the "slip".

I'd be happy to lynch both of you without the "slip"

I think humoring that scum shot and scanned Crescent is a bit ridiculous. That JC supposedly just gambled on Crescent moving is also not a great thought.

If Ulti is truthful so is JC is by far the simplest answer here.

Ulti, I'll save you the time.

Dumey is Town Vanilla

Lea, I trust you and I are on the same page regarding Ulti's updated claim?

Also, Ulti, Sheep is specifically playing NOT good. His arguments haven't been cogent. It's the same reason Chris didn't look good D1.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Lea, I trust you and I are on the same page regarding Ulti's updated claim?

I know this was not adressed to me, but when I look past how Ulti gets the worst out in me, then it's pretty obvious.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sultan, buddy, I admire your innocence, but
I gave a warning label that this is a stupid theory didn't i?!

Anyways I'm good with sheep or JC both give us alot of info upon flip.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Anyways I'm good with sheep or JC both give us alot of info upon flip.

Im not sold on JC being town but all other things equal it only makes sense to give the claimed town power a chance to, yknow *imagine stick figure do something meme*

with sheep and Dumey both claiming vanilla, ulti should move his vote too. Plus Im inclined to believe Han.

Maybe since we plan to spare jc at least one day more, town can try to reach a consensus on where our alleged lazy tracker should go tonight?

Actually, first. Jc should tell us who he would target if he didnt get any input from townies

wallmasterz posted...

Maybe since we plan to spare jc at least one day more, town can try to reach a consensus on where our alleged lazy tracker should go tonight?

We don't do this.
If you're going to allow a claim a leash, you have to allow them some length. Perfect info tells Scum how to prepare to intercept.

Makes total sense. I shouldve thought about that

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ulti, I'll save you the time.

Dumey is Town Vanilla

How do you know for sure? If it's your actual scan, Dumey could be Scum Godfather. Just a theory, obviously.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

How do you know for sure? If it's your actual scan, Dumey could be Scum Godfather. Just a theory, obviously.

How? If it's a flavor scan how could it be Godfather??

Cops don't get role and Faction

Unless you mean he got vanilla and dumey could be vanilla scum I guess

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think humoring that scum shot and scanned Crescent is a bit ridiculous. That JC supposedly just gambled on Crescent moving is also not a great thought.

If Ulti is truthful so is JC is by far the simplest answer here.

This is why JC is just awful town.

He scanned someone who was an obvious high risk nightkill candidate who apparently also got shot and saved for being such obvious town.

And no, I don't believe scum claims to target me if it's true they actually targeted me and I got saved.

Especially not with such a weak claim. It's suicidal.

undefined posted...

I think humoring that scum shot and scanned Crescent is a bit ridiculous. That JC supposedly just gambled on Crescent moving is also not a great thought.

If Ulti is truthful so is JC is by far the simplest answer here.

This is why JC is just awful town.

He scanned someone who was an obvious high risk nightkill candidate who apparently also got shot and saved for being such obvious town.

Well the alternative is that scum scanned Creasent and shot At BP Ulti to call his bluff or whatever so he isnt as off the hook as you'd think.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

How do you know for sure? If it's your actual scan, Dumey could be Scum Godfather. Just a theory, obviously.

Not a scan, Jesus. Im not a scanner Scum please don't kill me.

This is Dumey's response to Sheep's vanilla claim:
EDumey posted...

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I can understand jumping onto a soft claim for fun as a Vanilla. The fact that it wasn't a more prepared role to get around potential watch/track options or something makes me more likely to believe it. I'm okay with this for the moment.

Keep in mind, Dumey started the "I was gonna claim but decided not to hohoho" thing which Sheep then echoed.

Dumey responded this way almost instantly - ofc he can understand and believes Sheep in that moment, because Dumey's plan was the same.

That's a snap belief that Sheep is thinking the same way as he is - when Scum wouldn't be so quick to be dismissive of a lynch option, especially as Chris implied for Sheep at one point.

Crescent-Moon posted...

This is why JC is just awful town.

He scanned someone who was an obvious high risk nightkill candidate who apparently also got shot and saved for being such obvious town.

This logic doesn't quite track.
Scum would be more likely to scan someone who is obvious Town who they think might be saved, rather than shoot them. That way they can know if they have to put resources into someone they think they might not be able to kill.

Is it though Creasent? I can see a world where scum shots at Ulti. Amd Scum scan you right.
Ulti literally lead the kill on Chris?

Why wouldn't they choose there actual target If this is the case.

Watcher fear and vanilla fear.

Say they scanned a vanilla and said they moved. The vanilla knows they didn't move, Okay they could maybe get a misslynch on the vanilla but immediately die next day a 1 for 1? That's stupid.

Or say a watcher they claim to have scanned someone who they didn't a watcher comes out and goes uh no you didn't you went to Creasent. A 0 for 1

I dont like your logic on this.

Youre so confident you were shot at but why? If we have a 2nd alternative why would we automatically think that is the case?
Can't put all out eggs in one basic clearing JC for his scan alone is idiotic

The thing is like I said earlier I basically don't ever get saved night 1 and Ulti is like the one person I could buy actually doing it. Scum considers me higher priority to kill than doctor considers me high priority to save.

As soon as Chris flipped scum I thought there would be a sizeable chance he had me shot because he knows this.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Is it though Creasent? I can see a world where scum shots at Ulti. Amd Scum scan you right.
Ulti literally lead the kill on Chris?

Why wouldn't they choose there actual target If this is the case.

Watcher fear and vanilla fear.

Say they scanned a vanilla and said they moved. The vanilla knows they didn't move, Okay they could maybe get a misslynch on the vanilla but immediately die next day a 1 for 1? That's stupid.

Or say a watcher they claim to have scanned someone who they didn't a watcher comes out and goes uh no you didn't you went to Creasent. A 0 for 1

I dont like your logic on this.

Youre so confident you were shot at but why? If we have a 2nd alternative why would we automatically think that is the case?
Can't put all out eggs in one basic clearing JC for his scan alone is idiotic

Chris fears me more than Ulti.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Unless you mean he got vanilla and dumey could be vanilla scum I guess

Doesn't a Godfather appear as Vanilla Town when targeted by a role scanner?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Keep in mind, Dumey started the "I was gonna claim but decided not to hohoho" thing which Sheep then echoed.

Dumey responded this way almost instantly - ofc he can understand and believes Sheep in that moment, because Dumey's plan was the same.

That's a snap belief that Sheep is thinking the same way as he is - when Scum wouldn't be so quick to be dismissive of a lynch option, especially as Chris implied for Sheep at one point.

Could be scum theatre between the both of them. I don't necessarily think it was planned scum theatre, however. When I was scum I was told to just be separate from everyone else on D1 so town couldn't link us.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Doesn't a Godfather appear as Vanilla Town when targeted by a role scanner?

Han said he isnt a scanner anyways but all a cop gets is guilty or innocent.

A flavor cop gets a flavor that's it they don't get town vanilla

They would just get vanilla.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han said he isnt a scanner anyways but all a cop gets is guilty or innocent.

A flavor cop gets a flavor that's it they don't get town vanilla

They would just get vanilla.

A detective gets both, right? So the Godfather would appear as a Vanillager to them, town (innocent) to a cop, and just vanilla to a rolecop. That's what I meant.

For the record my current take on the game state is all claimed power is town and cop is out there somewhere unclaimed and for the love of God do not claim.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

A detective gets both, right? So the Godfather would appear as a Vanillager to them, town (innocent) to a cop, and just vanilla to a rolecop. That's what I meant.

Depends on the interaction. I feel like I've seen this go both ways.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Chris fears me more than Ulti.

Youre putting all your eggs in that basket.
A scum team isn't just Chris you know so I don't think that matters as much as you think it does.

Ulti is more town town that you were after the flip.

your vote looks awful on Chris still btw.

I'm starting to think youre looking less town by banking on this argument too, really sell that youre confirmed town and the only option is you were shot at and save when there is a clear alternative to what has happened and a less likely 2nd option scum sent in no kill.

And a later miller claim to boot I'm thinking not town.

3rd party is starting to sound likely to me.

Alot of things are starting to make it look that way.

I was pretty sold on you being town but now I'm starting to question it

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

A scum team isn't just Chris you know so I don't think that matters as much as you think it does.

did you just claim scum

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But did you keep order and sanity

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I litterally just laid it out did I not

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Doesn't a Godfather appear as Vanilla Town when targeted by a role scanner?

Could be scum theatre between the both of them. I don't necessarily think it was planned scum theatre, however. When I was scum I was told to just be separate from everyone else on D1 so town couldn't link us.

Scum theater is a phrase that is bandied about a lot but in practice happens very little.

As for the godfather, it depends - a GF might scan inno but have guilty flavor, might be a flavor GF but scan Scum, or might have both... It can go any which way.

And Detective has historically been something different on our board.

Crescent-Moon posted...

For the record my current take on the game state is all claimed power is town and cop is out there somewhere unclaimed and for the love of God do not claim.

Tell me, what was your opinion of JC at end of day 1?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

did you just claim scum

A scum team isn't one person if it was we would have won by now.

Come on man.

Sultan has tried multiple times today to paint me as a third party with no substantive reasoning

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Hey, I think you look second best after Chris's flip! Ulti is like, fourth.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scum theater is a phrase that is bandied about a lot but in practice happens very little.

As for the godfather, it depends - a GF might scan inno but have guilty flavor, might be a flavor GF but scan Scum, or might have both... It can go any which way.

And Detective has historically been something different on our board.

Tell me, what was your opinion of JC at end of day 1?

Bad enough that if I were cop I probably would've scanned him.