Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 6: I'm a co-host, not a doctor

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UltimaterializerX posted... I think Justin is town. If nothing else that role will self resolve because there is no chance he could fake it for an entire game.

Turn the chessboard around and think of the scum equity. Why would scum make that claim? They know they cant get Crescent lynched, so why bother?

Occulams Razor says it was a bad town play and thats all. Lets get off Justin and kill actual scum.

Im just calling it a motion detector and moving on.

Sheep007 posted... I feel like I answered this in my prior post but yeah, pretty much the same reason you voted Chris but in reverse - he just felt like the best option late in the game. It was really between him and Chris, and I liked the way Chris had approached the game more from a Town perspective, even if I wasn't fully sold. It was pretty much always going to be a snap decision given my lack of strong feelings on either, and I wanted to make it when I did so it was early enough for Han to last-minute claim if it was necessary.

Yep. Scum should know coming after me is a fool's errand.

Botched =/= Scum.

I think Justin is town. If nothing else that role will self resolve because there is no chance he could fake it for an entire game.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of the claim and I'm still doing my full read to try and think things through clearly, but if JC is a scum rolecop or something adjacent it's very possible to fake his claim.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Im just calling it a motion detector and moving on.

Hey Justin, whats the flavor reason for your role?

But Han didn't really have any momentum and Chris did, especially when you factor in that the only two votes on him at the time were from the two people ahead of him in votes. Han did not feel like a viable lynch option at all despite what the raw numbers on the votals.

"Weak Tracker" is what Scum calls themselves when they can't claim Tracker because they don't know who Crescent targeted.

Scanning Crescent was very dumb btw. There were two claimed vanillas and Crescent was probably the most universally townread player after Wall (and she had voting Chris over him). Town is not immune to making dumb plays though, Han.

Han felt like a fairly viable one to me at the time? He had two votes already, Chris only had three at my time of voting, I preferred lynching Han to Chris, and I didn't really see another option bar Death (who was a worse option than Chris again). I think I would have swapped on a dime if I saw Death was racking up votes and Chris had a chance to get lynched.

Scanning Crescent was very dumb btw. There were two claimed vanillas and Crescent was probably the most universally townread player after Wall (and she had voting Chris over him). Town is not immune to making dumb plays though, Han.

I was too slow typing on my phone so it got into the other topic:

Thank you for giving your answer Sheep. I just wanted to have that as well before I said what I'm about to say.

I dug into it because I have plenty of reason to believe scum did not shoot Death. I vig shot Death. I already explained why I thought he was scum earlier. It probably also helped me take the risk that I didn't risk shooting town power, since I believe Death would have said that eventually given he was up for lynch right until the end. It obviously didn't pay off so yeah, I screwed up (sorry Death, if you're following). No need to go into that, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

It was always my plan to claim my f*** up when I woke up and saw it. Any doctor out there have very good reason to believe they protected town and I hope they can use that without outing themselves. I just wanted to get thoughts out about first given that scum would know they didn't shot. Took way longer than anticipated but here we are. Hopefully with this information on the table we can get somewhere.

Quite frankly nothing directly connects my flavor to either the role or the specific role variation at a glance, but I don't know Star Trek?

It says I'm a diagnostic engineer (which I assume is where the tracking comes from, but doesn't seem very track-y to me?) and then it says that despite my positives and being a good dude, I can be irritating, have poor confidence, am bumbling, and am introverted among a list of negative character attributes.

i dont like this

My primary assumption was Death was vigged and someone was saved, by the way.

Not sure why Ctes decided to just up and claim but I see no reason not to buy it.

Also, can confirm, Ctes is my Mason Vig

Hey Ulti

Does Han calling successful doctor plus vig shot of Death now feel like scum overexplaining their knowledge or was it just me?

Also, I'm gonna be real, it took me a minute to see what Han and Crescent meant with knowing JC is Town. Like, yes? That's what the post is operating under? I am literally discussing whether it is a good scan if JC is town, it's basically irrelevant if it's a good scan or not if he's scum and I've already addressed that it's weird he didn't scan a vanilla.

it's probably useless to flavor meta, but my role pm pretty specifically explains how i do what i do.

My primary assumption was Death was vigged and someone was saved, by the way.

Not sure why Ctes decided to just up and claim but I see no reason not to buy it.

This was my #1 theory to explain last night... It was just a reasonable assertion.

I suppose that's fair. I'm just a personal fan of very unorthodox kills as Scum and still thought Death was Town even after EoD, so the first thought on my mind was trying to work out the Scum motivation for it.

Hm. Getting to JC's claim on my reread. I kinda like the claim itself? Possibly just due to him pulling an early claim from my handbook. Dancing around the scan... kinda less so? But I also feel like it's a little more town to bumble around it - Scum probably thinks a claim like that through before doing it, and also probably have claims preprepared, especially with Chris around. Scum JC doesn't have much reason to claim early there and bungle the reveal. I want to look back on the D1 thoughts on Crescent from JC though, because I really am struggling to understand why that scumread happens and also why you don't just try and catch a vanilla claim? I dunno, I've never really had that role, but every time we discuss motion detector, it being a vanilla scanner feels like its primary function?

because I really am struggling to understand why that scumread happens and also why you don't just try and catch a vanilla claim?

She.

If you're not gonna read half the shit I post anyway at least get my gender right.

If JC is scum, the whole scum team already knows Crescent moves. What's the scum equity in sharing the info as town as well?

Also having had the knowledge of how Death died at the time - I vibed the least with Ulti's responses to Sheep. It really sounded like trying to lock into an explanation that also allowed an attack on Sheep to me.

Hey Ulti

Does Han calling successful doctor plus vig shot of Death now feel like scum overexplaining their knowledge or was it just me?

Hey Han, why were you reluctant to vote him if you didnt think he was town anyway? Your words, not mine.