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bsp77 02/23/23 11:53:40 AM #151:	Supersex420 posted... I live in Canada, I just assume the weather is basically the same Oh, I assumed your reply in my Snowpocalypse thread was that you were in the same storm --- Currently playing: Hogwarts Legacy (PS5) <cite>bsp77 posted [p:971754956] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Supersex420 posted... </cite><quote>I live in Canada, I just assume the weather is basically the same</quote>Oh, I assumed your reply in my Snowpocalypse thread was that you were in the same storm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Supersex420 02/23/23 11:55:00 AM #152:	bsp77 posted... Oh, I assumed your reply in my Snowpocalypse thread was that you were in the same storm There was a storm! --- i spent 25 minutes reading what you said Medea's virtual gf <cite>Supersex420 posted [p:971754980] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>bsp77 posted... </cite><quote>Oh, I assumed your reply in my Snowpocalypse thread was that you were in the same storm</quote>There was a storm!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Supersex420 02/23/23 12:04:52 PM #155:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I don't think I actually want to date I just want to fit in --- i spent 25 minutes reading what you said Medea's virtual gf <cite>Supersex420 posted [p:971755141] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I don't think I actually want to date I just want to fit in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seaman_Prime 02/23/23 12:21:28 PM #156:	What you got to take into account for this poll is when most of these women were approached and asked if they were single, they most likely replied with I have a boyfriend, leave me alone. <cite>Seaman_Prime posted [p:971755444] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>What you got to take into account for this poll is when most of these women were approached and asked if they were single, they most likely replied with I have a boyfriend, leave me alone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omniryu 02/23/23 12:30:19 PM #157:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Some women perpetuate toxic masculinity. --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU; Rooting for Zio to find love and Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 friendship <cite>omniryu posted [p:971755594] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Some women perpetuate toxic masculinity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omniryu 02/23/23 12:31:37 PM #159:	Homeless_Waifu posted... Pretty soon it's gonna be so bad one guy is gonna be banging all the chicks That's kinda what's happening. --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU; Rooting for Zio to find love and Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 friendship <cite>omniryu posted [p:971755631] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Homeless_Waifu posted... </cite><quote>Pretty soon it's gonna be so bad one guy is gonna be banging all the chicks</quote>That's kinda what's happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omniryu 02/23/23 12:38:17 PM #161:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] In my environment or my world yeah. I was thinking of making a topic about this. So in my community. Some women have a hard time dating upwards. We have a lot of educated women, but they want to date within their own race. Which is very limiting, so they would date the same men on their level. And I need to get the numbers for the single father with multiple 'baby mother statistics' I think it they represent about 17 to 38% (ok I exaggerated) it is an alarming number. And this isn't me saying stuff about women. Guys... they lie, they omit, some live double lives. --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU; Rooting for Zio to find love and Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 friendship <cite>omniryu posted [p:971755740] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> In my environment or my world yeah. I was thinking of making a topic about this.So in my community. Some women have a hard time dating upwards. We have a lot of educated women, but they want to date within their own race. Which is very limiting, so they would date the same men on their level.And I need to get the numbers for the single father with multiple 'baby mother statistics' I think it they represent about 17 to 38% (ok I exaggerated) it is an alarming number.And this isn't me saying stuff about women. Guys... they lie, they omit, some live double lives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omniryu 02/23/23 12:50:29 PM #163:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yeah I do believe universal. It is 50/50. They are monogamous relationship overall but it isn't spread evenly everywhere. And thank you for listening because I recognize I don't clearly explain everything up front. --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU; Rooting for Zio to find love and Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 friendship <cite>omniryu posted [p:971755920] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Yeah I do believe universal. It is 50/50. They are monogamous relationship overall but it isn't spread evenly everywhere. And thank you for listening because I recognize I don't clearly explain everything up front.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gasgpmo 02/23/23 1:02:57 PM #165:	legendary_zell posted... he clearly knows what he dislikes, which is anything associated with feminism See, this is what a strawman really looks like. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] It is affecting women as well, but not half as much as men, according to the figures in the article. There are various reasons, and I can't list all of them. One factor is that women prioritize men who have experience in a relationship, because that will more likely lead to a stable relationship. There's nothing really wrong with that. But men generally don't seek that from a women, not as much at the very least. So men naturally start off with no experience, and then have a tough time gaining experience, and a lot end up stuck in a kind of catch-22 situation. Women don't face the same problem, men aren't looking for someone who already has experience. Moreover, precisely because men tend to be alone more than women, they end up more desperate, thus have lower standards, and can be happy just being with anyone period. Women are more comfortable with being alone, and feel less alone in general, so there is less desperation among young women. In the past, women were more or less forced to pair up with men, and sooner rather than later, because men had all the good-paying jobs, and you could get a decent job right after high school. It wasn't that women were inherently money-minded, but rather forced to be. Right now, the job market is fucked, most jobs don't pay enough, workers are more disposable due to things like automation devaluing human labour, and the only thing I'm personally optimistic about is trades becoming more lucrative, though that in turn makes home ownership much more expensive as well. All of this affects younger workers more often. Before legendary_zell chimes in and warps things, none of that is the fault of women or feminism, and stagnant wages affect both sexes equally. On the flip side, most older men are willing to be with a woman who is less experienced in a relationship and less emotionally mature, for various reasons like wanting to settle down at this point in their lives, and unfortunately being more interested in their body anyway. Men and women seek different things from relationships, and it leaves younger men and older women by the wayside. So young men more or less need experience as a prerequisite, which causally makes it harder to gain experience. I think in 10-20 years, more and more young women will be alone. Right now it's something around 34% according to the article, which is high but still much lower than men, and it's seemingly because many are dating older men. But when that 63% of men in their 20's and younger grow up, a lot will end up being in their 30's and 40's with no experience. Women won't want to date them either. There are other factors, like the pandemic, the economy making dating (and everything else) more expensive, porn (especially when it turns into an addiction), men not wanting to have children as much as they used to (for various reasons), men and women alike not being pressured by their peers to be in a relationship, etc. As for men committing suicide more often, women have stronger social circles and support groups to help them out of depression and be alone more comfortably, and men tend to commit suicide using methods that have a higher chance of "success". Men shouldn't be isolated I think actually that men should be more comfortable with being by themselves, like women tend to be. I don't think this trend of growing isolation is going to go away. It is interesting and ironically appropriate that someone earlier brought up stoicism. If men approached solitude with a real stoic mindset, and not the popular misconstruction of what stoicism is, they would not be committing suicide at 4 times the rate of women. They would be "in exile and yet happy". Unfortunately, most men probably do not read philosophy, especially during an age of anti-intellectualism. Also p.s. if you're posting responding to different people.. please include them in your posts. GameFAQs' quoting function makes that sort of annoying to do without opening multiple tabs, but I have been trying to do that. NoxObscuras posted... No need to take that guy seriously. He said "no one was talking about fucking Joe Rogan" as in, no one was talking about having sex with Joe Rogan. I think if he wanted to be taken seriously, his username would not be what it is.And the thread did not need that kind of mental image, lol. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] That was originally linked by someone else, and I didn't so much skim it as feel that it was not that relevant to the original point of men becoming more emotionally distant. I also noticed you ignored my point about isolation being related to toxic masculinity. Again, I don't think it's an adequate explanation for causing something to be on the rise, when it is on the decline. If anything, I think it's more likely that widespread isolation would lead to toxic masculinity, rather than the other way around. Anyway, the thread is moving fairly quickly and I need to get ready for work. I can respond to other stuff later, if the thread is still active. I can apparently only quote 7 things in one post anyway. <cite>gasgpmo posted [p:971756137] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>he clearly knows what he dislikes, which is anything associated with feminism</quote>See, this is what a strawman really looks like.<cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> It is affecting women as well, but not half as much as men, according to the figures in the article. There are various reasons, and I can't list all of them. One factor is that women prioritize men who have experience in a relationship, because that will more likely lead to a stable relationship. There's nothing really wrong with that. But men generally don't seek that from a women, not as much at the very least. So men naturally start off with no experience, and then have a tough time gaining experience, and a lot end up stuck in a kind of catch-22 situation. Women don't face the same problem, men aren't looking for someone who already has experience. Moreover, precisely because men tend to be alone more than women, they end up more desperate, thus have lower standards, and can be happy just being with anyone period. Women are more comfortable with being alone, and feel less alone in general, so there is less desperation among young women.In the past, women were more or less forced to pair up with men, and sooner rather than later, because men had all the good-paying jobs, and you could get a decent job right after high school. It wasn't that women were inherently money-minded, but rather forced to be. Right now, the job market is fucked, most jobs don't pay enough, workers are more disposable due to things like automation devaluing human labour, and the only thing I'm personally optimistic about is trades becoming more lucrative, though that in turn makes home ownership much more expensive as well. All of this affects younger workers more often. Before legendary_zell chimes in and warps things, none of that is the fault of women or feminism, and stagnant wages affect both sexes equally.On the flip side, most older men are willing to be with a woman who is less experienced in a relationship and less emotionally mature, for various reasons like wanting to settle down at this point in their lives, and unfortunately being more interested in their body anyway. Men and women seek different things from relationships, and it leaves younger men and older women by the wayside.So young men more or less need experience as a prerequisite, which causally makes it harder to gain experience. I think in 10-20 years, more and more young women will be alone. Right now it's something around 34% according to the article, which is high but still much lower than men, and it's seemingly because many are dating older men. But when that 63% of men in their 20's and younger grow up, a lot will end up being in their 30's and 40's with no experience. Women won't want to date them either.There are other factors, like the pandemic, the economy making dating (and everything else) more expensive, porn (especially when it turns into an addiction), men not wanting to have children as much as they used to (for various reasons), men and women alike not being pressured by their peers to be in a relationship, etc.As for men committing suicide more often, women have stronger social circles and support groups to help them out of depression and be alone more comfortably, and men tend to commit suicide using methods that have a higher chance of "success".<quote>Men shouldn't be isolated</quote>I think actually that men should be more comfortable with being by themselves, like women tend to be. I don't think this trend of growing isolation is going to go away. It is interesting and ironically appropriate that someone earlier brought up stoicism. If men approached solitude with a real stoic mindset, and not the popular misconstruction of what stoicism is, they would not be committing suicide at 4 times the rate of women. They would be "in exile and yet happy". Unfortunately, most men probably do not read philosophy, especially during an age of anti-intellectualism.<quote>Also p.s. if you're posting responding to different people.. please include them in your posts.</quote>GameFAQs' quoting function makes that sort of annoying to do without opening multiple tabs, but I have been trying to do that.NoxObscuras posted... </cite><quote>No need to take that guy seriously. He said "no one was talking about fucking Joe Rogan" as in, no one was talking about having sex with Joe Rogan.</quote>I think if he wanted to be taken seriously, his username would not be what it is.And the thread did not need that kind of mental image, lol.<cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> That was originally linked by someone else, and I didn't so much skim it as feel that it was not that relevant to the original point of men becoming more emotionally distant.<quote>I also noticed you ignored my point about isolation being related to toxic masculinity.</quote>Again, I don't think it's an adequate explanation for causing something to be on the rise, when it is on the decline. If anything, I think it's more likely that widespread isolation would lead to toxic masculinity, rather than the other way around.Anyway, the thread is moving fairly quickly and I need to get ready for work. I can respond to other stuff later, if the thread is still active. I can apparently only quote 7 things in one post anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hoodroar 02/23/23 1:11:52 PM #166:	This happens but then people tell you not to date younger women. --- sigless user logic <cite>Hoodroar posted [p:971756301] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>This happens but then people tell you not to date younger women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bsp77 02/23/23 1:14:32 PM #167:	Hoodroar posted... This happens but then people tell you not to date younger women. Why not? It is just fine. --- Currently playing: Hogwarts Legacy (PS5) <cite>bsp77 posted [p:971756343] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Hoodroar posted... </cite><quote>This happens but then people tell you not to date younger women.</quote>Why not? It is just fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hoodroar 02/23/23 1:20:41 PM #168:	bsp77 posted... Why not? It is just fine. True, but I'm talking about CE logic. Gladius_ posted... Andrew Tate is one of the biggest influencers on young men and there has been a lot of concern on the damage he's caused in that regard. Inceldom has been on a massive rise and he's a huge contributor to it. The people looking up Tate were already alone. He and people like him didn't cause anything. They're just making money off of the issue. Dudes often turn out alone because they were raised to be too passive and considerate, either never intimately pursuing women or being really slow about it (trying to be friends first then getting called "nice guys" for following the advice), and to counter that guys like Tate tell them to be overly aggressive with women instead. Neither option is the best but it's not just one side causing problems. --- sigless user logic <cite>Hoodroar posted [p:971756463] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>bsp77 posted...</cite><quote>Why not? It is just fine.</quote>True, but I'm talking about CE logic.Gladius_ posted...</cite><quote>Andrew Tate is one of the biggest influencers on young men and there has been a lot of concern on the damage he's caused in that regard. Inceldom has been on a massive rise and he's a huge contributor to it.</quote>The people looking up Tate were already alone.He and people like him didn't cause anything. They're just making money off of the issue.Dudes often turn out alone because they were raised to be too passive and considerate, either never intimately pursuing women or being really slow about it (trying to be friends first then getting called "nice guys" for following the advice), and to counter that guys like Tate tell them to be overly aggressive with women instead. Neither option is the best but it's not just one side causing problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/23/23 1:33:11 PM #169:	Drumiester posted... Cant blame women for dating older. Most guys in their 20s are still immature as fuck. legendary_zell posted... Have you MET dudes in their 20s? A huge number bring little to the table at best and are an active detriment at worst. When women aren't literally required to date these guys to avoid ending up living with their parents or on the streets....they don't. Looking back, I didn't bring that much to the table at 20-25. I was in better shape, but that's about it. I was still lacking basic knowledge about important things. Disengaged posted... Women don't want to take care of useless babies just to have a fuck, shock and awe. Posts like these getting 0 pushback at all. While posts like this get refuted immediately: omniryu posted... That's kinda what's happening. Is kinda why people assume certain things about the posters here and their bias. This topic, intentionally or not, is giving off strong girls rule, boys drool vibes. Just thought Id give my observation. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:971756716] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Drumiester posted... </cite><quote>Cant blame women for dating older. Most guys in their 20s are still immature as fuck.</quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>Have you MET dudes in their 20s? A huge number bring little to the table at best and are an active detriment at worst. When women aren't literally required to date these guys to avoid ending up living with their parents or on the streets....they don't.Looking back, I didn't bring that much to the table at 20-25. I was in better shape, but that's about it. I was still lacking basic knowledge about important things.</quote>Disengaged posted... </cite><quote>Women don't want to take care of useless babies just to have a fuck, shock and awe.</quote>Posts like these getting 0 pushback at all.While posts like this get refuted immediately:omniryu posted... </cite><quote>That's kinda what's happening.</quote>Is kinda why people assume certain things about the posters here and their bias. This topic, intentionally or not, is giving off strong girls rule, boys drool vibes. Just thought Id give my observation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bsp77 02/23/23 1:35:02 PM #170:	Hoodroar posted... True, but I'm talking about CE logic. Screw CE logic. In my social circle, I know of guys dating much younger women (like myself), guys dating much older women (like one of my best friends), and plenty that are +/- 5 years. It's all good if they are happy. --- Currently playing: Hogwarts Legacy (PS5) <cite>bsp77 posted [p:971756751] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Hoodroar posted... </cite><quote>True, but I'm talking about CE logic.</quote>Screw CE logic. In my social circle, I know of guys dating much younger women (like myself), guys dating much older women (like one of my best friends), and plenty that are +/- 5 years.It's all good if they are happy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AWearyWorld 02/23/23 1:53:48 PM #171:	gasgpmo posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8 This may be the reason men are single tbh. You've known each other for one topic, it's far too soon to send proclamations of love. <cite>AWearyWorld posted [p:971757164] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>gasgpmo posted... </cite><quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8</quote>This may be the reason men are single tbh. You've known each other for one topic, it's far too soon to send proclamations of love.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 02/23/23 2:29:58 PM #172:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Posts like these getting 0 pushback at all. While posts like this get refuted immediately: Is kinda why people assume certain things about the posters here and their bias. This topic, intentionally or not, is giving off strong girls rule, boys drool vibes. Just thought Id give my observation. There's no conflict between the posts discussing the challenges men face and these posts. I know that because I've made both. We all seem to agree that men are under socialized and don't have the resources to offer that they used to. But when we recognize that such a state of affairs makes many young men unattractive to women, especially since the economic dependency of women has been greatly reduced, you don't seem to like that. There's no girls rule boys drool vibe here, that's just your preexisting inclination to see unfair criticisms of men everywhere. I have no interest in dunking on men and lionizing women as I'm a man myself who has been a very late bloomer when it comes to relationships (if I've bloomed at all). That guy got refuted because there's not really any proof that lonely straight guys are starting to date each other in any significant number. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:971757913] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Posts like these getting 0 pushback at all.While posts like this get refuted immediately:Is kinda why people assume certain things about the posters here and their bias. This topic, intentionally or not, is giving off strong girls rule, boys drool vibes. Just thought Id give my observation.</quote>There's no conflict between the posts discussing the challenges men face and these posts. I know that because I've made both. We all seem to agree that men are under socialized and don't have the resources to offer that they used to. But when we recognize that such a state of affairs makes many young men unattractive to women, especially since the economic dependency of women has been greatly reduced, you don't seem to like that. There's no girls rule boys drool vibe here, that's just your preexisting inclination to see unfair criticisms of men everywhere. I have no interest in dunking on men and lionizing women as I'm a man myself who has been a very late bloomer when it comes to relationships (if I've bloomed at all). That guy got refuted because there's not really any proof that lonely straight guys are starting to date each other in any significant number. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/23/23 3:04:05 PM #173:	legendary_zell posted... There's no conflict between the posts discussing the challenges men face and these posts. I know that because I've made both. We all seem to agree that men are under socialized and don't have the resources to offer that they used to. But when we recognize that such a state of affairs makes many young men unattractive to women, especially since the economic dependency of women has been greatly reduced, you don't seem to like that. There's no girls rule boys drool vibe here, that's just your preexisting inclination to see unfair criticisms of men everywhere. The implication that young men are babies and that young women arent is a massive girls rule, boys rule vibe. If young men have nothing to offer, neither do young women. Because young people in general are struggling. Because men being babies and emotionally stunted is not why young men are alone, imo. Yet this topic seems to run with that as the reason. Id also claim women dont innately know how to express their emotions, but I dont think anyone is interested in that conversation. Please dont try to claim my opinion is wrong btw. I feel this topic is giving off a certain bias. If you disagree, thats cool. But dont go assuming things about me. Just ask me why I think so. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:971758604] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>There's no conflict between the posts discussing the challenges men face and these posts. I know that because I've made both. We all seem to agree that men are under socialized and don't have the resources to offer that they used to. But when we recognize that such a state of affairs makes many young men unattractive to women, especially since the economic dependency of women has been greatly reduced, you don't seem to like that. There's no girls rule boys drool vibe here, that's just your preexisting inclination to see unfair criticisms of men everywhere.</quote>The implication that young men are babies and that young women arent is a massive girls rule, boys rule vibe. If young men have nothing to offer, neither do young women. Because young people in general are struggling. Because men being babies and emotionally stunted is not why young men are alone, imo. Yet this topic seems to run with that as the reason. Id also claim women dont innately know how to express their emotions, but I dont think anyone is interested in that conversation. Please dont try to claim my opinion is wrong btw. I feel this topic is giving off a certain bias. If you disagree, thats cool. But dont go assuming things about me. Just ask me why I think so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hoodroar 02/23/23 3:06:51 PM #174:	legendary_zell posted... We all seem to agree that men are under socialized There's a difference between being socialized and attracting women. And it's also possible to be overly socialized. Basically the issue here is you guys start with the presumption that there's something wrong with the men. When people instead post about some aspect of life women are doing worse in, less people presume fault on their part. Now obviously there's a group of people who shouldn't be dating, but their overlap with the group of people who can't date isn't perfect. --- sigless user logic <cite>Hoodroar posted [p:971758645] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted...</cite><quote>We all seem to agree that men are under socialized</quote>There's a difference between being socialized and attracting women. And it's also possible to be overly socialized.Basically the issue here is you guys start with the presumption that there's something wrong with the men. When people instead post about some aspect of life women are doing worse in, less people presume fault on their part.Now obviously there's a group of people who shouldn't be dating, but their overlap with the group of people who can't date isn't perfect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bsp77 02/23/23 3:12:55 PM #175:	Hoodroar posted... There's a difference between being socialized and attracting women. And it's also possible to be overly socialized. Explain how one can be overly socialized. Basically the issue here is you guys start with the presumption that there's something wrong with the men. When people instead post about some aspect of life women are doing worse in, less people presume fault on their part. It 's not about blame. It is about what is in one's control. When a guy has issues with dating, I can only say how he can improve, I can't tell all women or how society at large can improve. --- Currently playing: Hogwarts Legacy (PS5) <cite>bsp77 posted [p:971758754] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Hoodroar posted... </cite><quote>There's a difference between being socialized and attracting women. And it's also possible to be overly socialized.</quote>Explain how one can be overly socialized.<quote>Basically the issue here is you guys start with the presumption that there's something wrong with the men. When people instead post about some aspect of life women are doing worse in, less people presume fault on their part.</quote>It 's not about blame. It is about what is in one's control. When a guy has issues with dating, I can only say how he can improve, I can't tell all women or how society at large can improve.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrPrimemaster 02/23/23 3:26:28 PM #176:	bsp77 posted... It 's not about blame. It is about what is in one's control. When a guy has issues with dating, I can only say how he can improve, I can't tell all women or how society at large can improve. I don't think anyone can reasonably against this, but I feel like a lot of advice given is either not actionable or comes from a place of explicit or implicit disdain for men. Like "toxic masculinity" implies that its wrong to be a guy right out the gate. --- Metroids Suck <cite>DrPrimemaster posted [p:971759016] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>bsp77 posted... </cite><quote>It 's not about blame. It is about what is in one's control. When a guy has issues with dating, I can only say how he can improve, I can't tell all women or how society at large can improve.</quote>I don't think anyone can reasonably against this, but I feel like a lot of advice given is either not actionable or comes from a place of explicit or implicit disdain for men. Like "toxic masculinity" implies that its wrong to be a guy right out the gate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 02/23/23 3:40:11 PM #177:	cuttin_in_farm posted... The implication that young men are babies and that young women arent is a massive girls rule, boys rule vibe. If young men have nothing to offer, neither do young women. Because young people in general are struggling. Because men being babies and emotionally stunted is not why young men are alone, imo. Yet this topic seems to run with that as the reason. Id also claim women dont innately know how to express their emotions, but I dont think anyone is interested in that conversation. Please dont try to claim my opinion is wrong btw. I feel this topic is giving off a certain bias. If you disagree, thats cool. But dont go assuming things about me. Just ask me why I think so. There's no implication that men are babies and women aren't. It's not necessarily about maturity, it's about the skills and experience necessary for success at this current moment in our culture. Due to less socializing in general, and fewer resources, men are less able to appeal, while women need less from us financially and still have significantly larger social circles and more social training. I think everyone is emotionally stunted, not just men because of generational differences in how we spend time and for economic reasons, but in a culture where men are still expected to approach and women will be approached regardless of their skill or what they want, the consequences are different. It used to be that men could appeal out of necessity or because they were a provider. Both of those have been greatly lessened, and now the emphasis is more on whether you're enjoyable to be around, what your values are etc. I mean talk to your female friends and they'll explain all the risks and opportunity costs of getting involved with a guy that you're not sure about. I don't think women know how to innately express emotions, it's cultural training that gives them that ability, and socialization that trains them to be more aware of others emotions and allows them more practice at expressing a wider range of those emotions. Culture and economics set how wide social circles are, how much free time people have, where they spend it, and what they do during that time, how much it takes to support a family etc. I don't think anyone has made the claim that women are inherently superior or that men are inherently inferior. The whole discussion has been around culture and circumstance, not any inherent failure of men. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:971759293] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>The implication that young men are babies and that young women arent is a massive girls rule, boys rule vibe. If young men have nothing to offer, neither do young women. Because young people in general are struggling. Because men being babies and emotionally stunted is not why young men are alone, imo. Yet this topic seems to run with that as the reason. Id also claim women dont innately know how to express their emotions, but I dont think anyone is interested in that conversation. Please dont try to claim my opinion is wrong btw. I feel this topic is giving off a certain bias. If you disagree, thats cool. But dont go assuming things about me. Just ask me why I think so.</quote>There's no implication that men are babies and women aren't. It's not necessarily about maturity, it's about the skills and experience necessary for success at this current moment in our culture. Due to less socializing in general, and fewer resources, men are less able to appeal, while women need less from us financially and still have significantly larger social circles and more social training. I think everyone is emotionally stunted, not just men because of generational differences in how we spend time and for economic reasons, but in a culture where men are still expected to approach and women will be approached regardless of their skill or what they want, the consequences are different. It used to be that men could appeal out of necessity or because they were a provider. Both of those have been greatly lessened, and now the emphasis is more on whether you're enjoyable to be around, what your values are etc. I mean talk to your female friends and they'll explain all the risks and opportunity costs of getting involved with a guy that you're not sure about. I don't think women know how to innately express emotions, it's cultural training that gives them that ability, and socialization that trains them to be more aware of others emotions and allows them more practice at expressing a wider range of those emotions. Culture and economics set how wide social circles are, how much free time people have, where they spend it, and what they do during that time, how much it takes to support a family etc. I don't think anyone has made the claim that women are inherently superior or that men are inherently inferior. The whole discussion has been around culture and circumstance, not any inherent failure of men.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 02/23/23 3:48:51 PM #178:	Hoodroar posted... There's a difference between being socialized and attracting women. And it's also possible to be overly socialized. Basically the issue here is you guys start with the presumption that there's something wrong with the men. When people instead post about some aspect of life women are doing worse in, less people presume fault on their part. Now obviously there's a group of people who shouldn't be dating, but their overlap with the group of people who can't date isn't perfect. As I said in the post I just made, it's not just men who are undersocialized, it's a generational change that's affected everyone. But because of the different expectations placed on men and women and the different circumstances we each face, the effects are different. There doesn't even have to be an issue with men for us to see some of the effects we're seeing, some of it is just caused by women having more freedom and more resources. But then you add the undersocialization that affects a crucial aspect of interpersonal relations, and it creates additional issues. It's not even describing fault, it's just describing the reality. We are all affected by things far beyond our control. I'm describing forces that affected me, and made me a certain way, not finding fault with men. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:971759489] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Hoodroar posted... </cite><quote>There's a difference between being socialized and attracting women. And it's also possible to be overly socialized.Basically the issue here is you guys start with the presumption that there's something wrong with the men. When people instead post about some aspect of life women are doing worse in, less people presume fault on their part.Now obviously there's a group of people who shouldn't be dating, but their overlap with the group of people who can't date isn't perfect.</quote>As I said in the post I just made, it's not just men who are undersocialized, it's a generational change that's affected everyone. But because of the different expectations placed on men and women and the different circumstances we each face, the effects are different. There doesn't even have to be an issue with men for us to see some of the effects we're seeing, some of it is just caused by women having more freedom and more resources. But then you add the undersocialization that affects a crucial aspect of interpersonal relations, and it creates additional issues. It's not even describing fault, it's just describing the reality. We are all affected by things far beyond our control. I'm describing forces that affected me, and made me a certain way, not finding fault with men. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 02/23/23 3:51:05 PM #179:	gasgpmo posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8 I haven't been listening to y'all's argument, whatever it's about, but I LOVE this song! --- Is this reverse psychology? And if I ask, will you lie to me? <cite>Cocytus posted [p:971759538] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>gasgpmo posted... </cite><quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8</quote>I haven't been listening to y'all's argument, whatever it's about, but I LOVE this song!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 4:35:20 PM #180:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Its also weird to act like young women have much to offer? I see a lot of dude bashing on page 1 of this topic. Its bizarre. The thing is, women don't need to offer a lot to attract men. At all. Above-average and even average women often have big egos because they've slept with a hot guy but they don't realize that's the easy part. The female equivalent of getting laid isn't getting laid, it's getting a long-term committment from a guy. That's the hard part <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971760574] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Its also weird to act like young women have much to offer? I see a lot of dude bashing on page 1 of this topic. Its bizarre.</quote>The thing is, women don't need to offer a lot to attract men. At all. Above-average and even average women often have big egos because they've slept with a hot guy but they don't realize that's the easy part. The female equivalent of getting laid isn't getting laid, it's getting a long-term committment from a guy. That's the hard part</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 02/23/23 4:36:24 PM #181:	Hoodroar posted... The people looking up Tate were already alone. He and people like him didn't cause anything. They're just making money off of the issue. Yeah, the issue with guys like Andrew Tate and the whole incel/MGTOW etc movement is that it tells guys who are already lonely and bitter what they want to hear: that they're either better off without women or else it's okay to treat women like dirt because you're the man. It's just another cult that preys on vulnerable people. --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:971760592] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Hoodroar posted... </cite><quote>The people looking up Tate were already alone.He and people like him didn't cause anything. They're just making money off of the issue.</quote>Yeah, the issue with guys like Andrew Tate and the whole incel/MGTOW etc movement is that it tells guys who are already lonely and bitter what they want to hear: that they're either better off without women or else it's okay to treat women like dirt because you're the man.It's just another cult that preys on vulnerable people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/23/23 4:36:47 PM #182:	DrPrimemaster posted... I don't think anyone can reasonably against this, but I feel like a lot of advice given is either not actionable or comes from a place of explicit or implicit disdain for men. Like "toxic masculinity" implies that its wrong to be a guy right out the gate. only if you act a certain way... --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:971760600] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>DrPrimemaster posted... </cite><quote>I don't think anyone can reasonably against this, but I feel like a lot of advice given is either not actionable or comes from a place of explicit or implicit disdain for men. Like "toxic masculinity" implies that its wrong to be a guy right out the gate.</quote>only if you act a certain way...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/23/23 4:37:26 PM #183:	legendary_zell posted... I don't think anyone has made the claim that women are inherently superior or that men are inherently inferior. The whole discussion has been around culture and circumstance, not any inherent failure of men. I agree with the rest of your post. But not this part. A lot of posters in this topic are definitely placing a primary focus on men being the failures. Maybe not you, but posts are. And when those posts dont get any pushback, it gives the implication that no one disagrees. So its nice that you have a nuanced perspective. But there are posters in here who dont seem to. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:971760618] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote> I don't think anyone has made the claim that women are inherently superior or that men are inherently inferior. The whole discussion has been around culture and circumstance, not any inherent failure of men.</quote>I agree with the rest of your post. But not this part. A lot of posters in this topic are definitely placing a primary focus on men being the failures. Maybe not you, but posts are. And when those posts dont get any pushback, it gives the implication that no one disagrees. So its nice that you have a nuanced perspective. But there are posters in here who dont seem to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 4:37:42 PM #184:	gasgpmo posted... and from people like LELuMADuRUSTLED who claimed no one was talking about Joe Rogan despite linking a Youtube video of Joe Rogan. Why does this board have such awful reading comprehension? It's impossible to even have a conversation, lol. No wonder so many users just troll. <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971760624] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>gasgpmo posted... </cite><quote>and from people like LELuMADuRUSTLED who claimed no one was talking about Joe Rogan despite linking a Youtube video of Joe Rogan.</quote>Why does this board have such awful reading comprehension? It's impossible to even have a conversation, lol. No wonder so many users just troll.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 4:54:49 PM #185:	omniryu posted... And this isn't me saying stuff about women. Guys... they lie, they omit, some live double lives. It really needs mentioning how ruthlessly effective a dating strategy this is. Both my mom's ex-husbands were literally this. They lied about everything in their past and, evidently, 5 kids later...it works. <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971761142] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>omniryu posted... </cite><quote>And this isn't me saying stuff about women. Guys... they lie, they omit, some live double lives.</quote>It really needs mentioning how ruthlessly effective a dating strategy this is. Both my mom's ex-husbands were literally this. They lied about everything in their past and, evidently, 5 kids later...it works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 4:59:46 PM #186:	gasgpmo posted... Women are more comfortable with being alone, and feel less alone in general, so there is less desperation among young women. I don't think that's true at all. It's true that women don't worry as much about getting a mate but that's because they don't have to. I think women fare just as badly if not worse if they can't get a mate, assuming they have the same friend situation as their male counterparts. I've never known or heard of a guy who took up cutting out of loneliness, for instance. <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971761275] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>gasgpmo posted... </cite><quote>Women are more comfortable with being alone, and feel less alone in general, so there is less desperation among young women.</quote>I don't think that's true at all. It's true that women don't worry as much about getting a mate but that's because they don't have to. I think women fare just as badly if not worse if they can't get a mate, assuming they have the same friend situation as their male counterparts.I've never known or heard of a guy who took up cutting out of loneliness, for instance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 5:06:42 PM #187:	HylianFox posted... Yeah, the issue with guys like Andrew Tate and the whole incel/MGTOW etc movement is that it tells guys who are already lonely and bitter what they want to hear: that they're either better off without women How's that an issue? It's not an issue when women say it about themselves <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971761455] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, the issue with guys like Andrew Tate and the whole incel/MGTOW etc movement is that it tells guys who are already lonely and bitter what they want to hear: that they're either better off without women</quote>How's that an issue? It's not an issue when women say it about themselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 5:10:18 PM #188:	cuttin_in_farm posted... And when those posts dont get any pushback, it gives the implication that no one disagrees. Two reasons for this The types to take offense to that pushback (especially saying the same sorts of things about women) are the type to mark posts and the mods are very sympathetic to them You have to be really careful how you push back against that because of the above. There are probably a lot of users that disagree with that shit, they've just learned to keep quiet. There's a reason this board has so many low-karma accounts. <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971761530] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>And when those posts dont get any pushback, it gives the implication that no one disagrees.</quote>Two reasons for thisThe types to take offense to that pushback (especially saying the same sorts of things about women) are the type to mark posts and the mods are very sympathetic to themYou have to be really careful how you push back against that because of the above.There are probably a lot of users that disagree with that shit, they've just learned to keep quiet. There's a reason this board has so many low-karma accounts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 02/23/23 5:12:39 PM #189:	LELuMADuRUSTLED posted... How's that an issue? It's not an issue when women say it about themselves It's not an issue of "some guys are okay with being single" it's more an issue of "it's better to be single because women are scum" --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:971761587] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted... </cite><quote>How's that an issue? It's not an issue when women say it about themselves</quote>It's not an issue of "some guys are okay with being single" it's more an issue of "it's better to be single because women are scum"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/23/23 5:14:28 PM #190:	HylianFox posted... It's not an issue of "some guys are okay with being single" it's more an issue of "it's better to be single because women are scum" I don't think I've ever heard the latter outside of 4chan maybe, I usually see it in the form of "being in a relationship is too much trouble/has too many pitfalls, you're better off not bothering", which I think there's a very good case for tbh <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971761634] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>It's not an issue of "some guys are okay with being single" it's more an issue of "it's better to be single because women are scum"</quote>I don't think I've ever heard the latter outside of 4chan maybe, I usually see it in the form of "being in a relationship is too much trouble/has too many pitfalls, you're better off not bothering", which I think there's a very good case for tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 02/23/23 5:15:38 PM #191:	Gwynevere posted... Expected incel central itt, got incel central --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:971761667] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>Expected incel central itt, got incel central </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/23/23 6:39:50 PM #192:	LELuMADuRUSTLED posted... I don't think that's true at all. It's true that women don't worry as much about getting a mate but that's because they don't have to. I think women fare just as badly if not worse if they can't get a mate, assuming they have the same friend situation as their male counterparts. In the community I live in, its the women who struggle. They do seem to get just as bitter about it as some men back home do, for the most part. <cite>Glob posted [p:971763500] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted... </cite><quote>I don't think that's true at all. It's true that women don't worry as much about getting a mate but that's because they don't have to. I think women fare just as badly if not worse if they can't get a mate, assuming they have the same friend situation as their male counterparts.</quote>In the community I live in, its the women who struggle. They do seem to get just as bitter about it as some men back home do, for the most part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 02/23/23 6:53:03 PM #193:	Glob posted... In the community I live in, its the women who struggle. They do seem to get just as bitter about it as some men back home do, for the most part. Oh 100% some women are just as bitter as men, if not moreso. Femcels are a thing. And that one subreddit is notorious for being full of very hateful, misandrists. They are definitely out there. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:971763778] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>In the community I live in, its the women who struggle. They do seem to get just as bitter about it as some men back home do, for the most part.</quote>Oh 100% some women are just as bitter as men, if not moreso. Femcels are a thing. And that one subreddit is notorious for being full of very hateful, misandrists. They are definitely out there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/23/23 6:55:36 PM #194:	I just date other guys Much easier --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:971763825] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>I just date other guys Much easier</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TerraSeeker 02/23/23 9:16:17 PM #195:	I guess the men could start dating each other to make the women jealous. --- Your words are as empty as your soul <cite>TerraSeeker posted [p:971766521] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>I guess the men could start dating each other to make the women jealous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tripleh213 02/23/23 9:34:58 PM #196:	This topic again... --- Bucks World Champions 2021 PS4 looks great <cite>tripleh213 posted [p:971766836] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>This topic again... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 02/24/23 8:03:11 AM #198:	LELuMADuRUSTLED posted... Two reasons for this The types to take offense to that pushback (especially saying the same sorts of things about women) are the type to mark posts and the mods are very sympathetic to them You have to be really careful how you push back against that because of the above. Why do you guys even keep coming back to gamefaqs if you're convinced everyone is out to get you? Have you considered the idea that it's not disagreeing that gets people modded for that, it's the abusive ways they say it, or posting straight up lies as fact? --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:971773773] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted... </cite><quote>Two reasons for thisThe types to take offense to that pushback (especially saying the same sorts of things about women) are the type to mark posts and the mods are very sympathetic to themYou have to be really careful how you push back against that because of the above.</quote>Why do you guys even keep coming back to gamefaqs if you're convinced everyone is out to get you? Have you considered the idea that it's not disagreeing that gets people modded for that, it's the abusive ways they say it, or posting straight up lies as fact?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 02/24/23 8:06:16 AM #199:	idk I see both sides of the conflict. on the one hand I don't know why the distribution of casual flings isn't more even (I'd assume more women have sex in America, but I don't know the numbers), on the other hand I understand why women don't want to marry most guys. and before you say women don't want casual flings, I consider a failed relationship a mostly casual fling at the end of the day. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:971773812] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>idk I see both sides of the conflict. on the one hand I don't know why the distribution of casual flings isn't more even (I'd assume more women have sex in America, but I don't know the numbers), on the other hand I understand why women don't want to marry most guys.and before you say women don't want casual flings, I consider a failed relationship a mostly casual fling at the end of the day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LELuMADuRUSTLED 02/24/23 4:11:48 PM #200:	Gwynevere posted... Why do you guys even keep coming back to gamefaqs if you're convinced everyone is out to get you? Have you considered the idea that it's not disagreeing that gets people modded for that, it's the abusive ways they say it, or posting straight up lies as fact? "You think this place is a hugbox? Leave so that it can become even more of one!" lol <cite>LELuMADuRUSTLED posted [p:971782368] in Most young... [t:80357313]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>Why do you guys even keep coming back to gamefaqs if you're convinced everyone is out to get you? Have you considered the idea that it's not disagreeing that gets people modded for that, it's the abusive ways they say it, or posting straight up lies as fact?</quote>"You think this place is a hugbox? Leave so that it can become even more of one!"lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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