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refmon
02/22/23 6:00:36 PM
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

Not looking good for CE...

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Irony
02/22/23 6:02:04 PM
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All I'm getting from this is that young women are dating older guys

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R1masher
02/22/23 6:02:10 PM
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Im not botanist but does that mean that theres a lot more young men

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Xatrion
02/22/23 6:02:13 PM
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Average man, average woman, chad dick, etc.

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MarcyWarcy
02/22/23 6:02:40 PM
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refmon posted...
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

Not looking good for CE...

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Blue_Inigo
02/22/23 6:03:20 PM
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So who are the woman dating then

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Irony
02/22/23 6:03:46 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
So who are the woman dating then
Each other

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Krojen
02/22/23 6:04:25 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
So who are the woman dating then
I'm in like 3 relationships

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Blue_Inigo
02/22/23 6:04:52 PM
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Irony posted...
Each other
Nice

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Ruvan22
02/22/23 6:06:00 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
So who are the woman dating then

@MegaTech
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NoxObscuras
02/22/23 6:06:25 PM
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Irony posted...
All I'm getting from this is that young women are dating older guys
Pretty much. The article is comparing men and women in their 20's.

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Drumiester
02/22/23 6:07:37 PM
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Cant blame women for dating older. Most guys in their 20s are still immature as fuck.

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legendary_zell
02/22/23 6:17:45 PM
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Have you MET dudes in their 20s? A huge number bring little to the table at best and are an active detriment at worst. When women aren't literally required to date these guys to avoid ending up living with their parents or on the streets....they don't.

Looking back, I didn't bring that much to the table at 20-25. I was in better shape, but that's about it. I was still lacking basic knowledge about important things.

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TheNextLink
02/22/23 6:18:53 PM
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Expect this number to grow.
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Unsuprised_Pika
02/22/23 6:20:33 PM
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Leonardo Dicaprio has gone too far now.


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WarfireX
02/22/23 6:20:49 PM
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I got so much ass in my 20's and these days it's pretty sporadic.

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Dakimakura
02/22/23 6:27:50 PM
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The men need to get together and start banging to make the women jealous.

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gasgpmo
02/22/23 6:36:04 PM
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"Women don't want emotionally distant men."
They wouldn't be as emotionally distant if they hadn't spent their entire life alone.
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Cuticrusader09
02/22/23 7:03:21 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Have you MET dudes in their 20s? A huge number bring little to the table at best and are an active detriment at worst. When women aren't literally required to date these guys to avoid ending up living with their parents or on the streets....they don't.



Women would rather be alone than be bangmaids.

Women find being alone better than being with those guys because its less work for them.
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legendary_zell
02/22/23 7:05:58 PM
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gasgpmo posted...
"Women don't want emotionally distant men."
They wouldn't be as emotionally distant if they hadn't spent their entire life alone.


That's an issue of practice and it's a real issue, but I don't think it's the core issue. The core issue is that many many men are taught that masculinity means putting up barriers, stoicism, hiding emotions other than anger. That's the default in our culture and it's getting increasingly out of step with what leads to a good life and what women want from men.

That leaves men in an awkward in-between place where they are emotionally stunted, unable to constructively communicate even if they wanted to, and scared to even try because the reality is, they will often get negative feedback for doing so or doing so badly. At the same time, people are being expected to demonstrate skills they were never taught, never had modeled, and never practiced, and unfortunately, those skills are in fact necessary.

It's kinda like the coal miners in West Virginia that have been taught to live and work a certain way, but then STEM jobs become necessary, and are in fact way healthier and more lucrative, but they were never taught any of the steps to get from here to there.

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AWearyWorld
02/22/23 7:10:12 PM
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What evidence?
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gasgpmo
02/22/23 7:15:22 PM
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I still don't know what "toxic masculinity" is, and it sounds like something more or less made up when you say things like:
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This sounds like a preacher talking about religion to me.

Nobody likes it when someone's angry. No one likes to see somebody crying. Which emotions do women want to see more of, anyway?

legendary_zell posted...
The core issue is that many many men are taught
I don't really believe this. Any men ITT remember being taught not to express emotion? I don't. And school always tried to get you to express yourself constantly.

means putting up barriers,
People aren't taught to do that. They learn to do that on their own, because of trauma.

stoicism

Stoicism is a school of philosophy that hails from ancient Greece and Rome in the early parts of the 3rd century, BC. It is a philosophy of life that maximizes positive emotions, reduces negative emotions and helps individuals to hone their virtues of character.
Yeah, how...awful?

hiding emotions other than anger.
I don't think that men actually do this, at all. Also you kind of just repeated the first one.

This whole thing sounds like a myth. It even has an overly dramatic name to it.
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legendary_zell
02/22/23 7:53:16 PM
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gasgpmo posted...
I still don't know what "toxic masculinity" is, and it sounds like something more or less made up when you say things like:

This sounds like a preacher talking about religion to me.

Nobody likes it when someone's angry. No one likes to see somebody crying. Which emotions do women want to see more of, anyway?

I don't really believe this. Any men ITT remember being taught not to express emotion? I don't. And school always tried to get you to express yourself constantly.

People aren't taught to do that. They learn to do that on their own, because of trauma.

Yeah, how...awful?

I don't think that men actually do this, at all. Also you kind of just repeated the first one.

This whole thing sounds like a myth. It even has an overly dramatic name to it.


If you can look up stoicism, why not look up toxic masculinity and educate yourself about what it is? And why are you so sure it's made up when you don't even know what it is? You sure seem to have strong opinions on it, like that it's overdramatic and that men don't actually do any of the things people have been complaining about men doing (including men).

https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/what-is-toxic-masculinity
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/toxic-masculinity

It's not about not never being angry or crying all the time, it's about being able to express emotion in a way that's appropriate for each circumstance and healthy for others around you. Sometimes being angry is very appropriate and it would inappropriate to not be angry. Sometimes crying is appropriate as well and not sharing heightened emotions that may include crying is inappropriate. But one particular straightjacket view of masculinity says it's not acceptable, and that's not good for anyone. Some would even say those forms of masculinity are...poisonous? Venomous? Noxious?

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NoxObscuras
02/22/23 7:58:46 PM
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gasgpmo posted...
I don't really believe this. Any men ITT remember being taught not to express emotion? I don't. And school always tried to get you to express yourself constantly.
Yes, all the time. The whole "men don't cry" mentality was constantly hammered into us growing up. Because "men are tough" and "crying makes you weak" and other such nonsense. There's a ton of really negative things like that, that entire generations of men were taught.

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Disengaged
02/22/23 8:04:14 PM
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Women don't want to take care of useless babies just to have a fuck, shock and awe.

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ROOTFayth
02/22/23 8:04:55 PM
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pretty simple folks, as a young man start trying to date older women
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gasgpmo
02/22/23 8:54:51 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Okay? I edited in a reply to someone else rather than double post.

You showed your true colors way too easily
Just lol

There are many t.v. shows, movies, commercials, celebrities, and more that constantly tell men how they should be.
Okay, and for all the people like me who don't constantly consume trash media? What's the explanation then, for why they're emotionally distant?

With the manosphere putting great emphasis on these entire concepts and tricking men into believing that society is trying to breed "weak men."
Okay, I don't even know what manosphere is. I didn't realize there was entire backstory to all of this. This spiraled into some kind of vendetta against I-don't-know-who. Do you remember when I said this sounds like a preacher talking about religion? Yeah. I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

My original point was that there's a reason why men might be so emotionally distant. It has nothing to do with a manosphere and/or toxic masculinity, or society breeding weak men, or any other nonsense buzzwords.

It's because after spending your life in emotional solitude, you naturally become emotionally solitary. That's it. There's no plot, there's no conspiracy, or any media propaganda at the heart of it. It's just what happens. People adapt to living on their own by becoming more solitary.

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If you can look up stoicism
No, I just pasted that for your benefit. I know what stoicism is. Nobody else on the internet does. They think being stoic means being stony. Both words start with "sto-". Easy mistake to make.

why not look up toxic masculinity and educate yourself about what it is?
Because it seems like the type of vague notion that means different things to different people. Your description of it, the WebMD page, and the dictionary.com entry are all fairly different. You said it was about men being emotionally detached. The WebMD page seems to think it's about homophobia, sexism, and violence. And the dictionary.com entry says it's the concept of manliness being "strength, virility, and dominance", which sounds like the promises of an 1800's baldness cure.

But one particular straightjacket view of masculinity says it's not acceptable, and that's not good for anyone.
The problem with people on the internet, is that you don't realize that that kind of person is gradually going the way of the dodo. They are still out there, but most people aren't really like that anymore. I've never met a man like that. No friends, family, coworkers, or otherwise. They freely express themselves all the time. And I don't feel that way myself. To blame the huge problems of today's society on yesterday's evils is what's really disingenuous.
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Questionmarktarius
02/22/23 8:57:00 PM
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Ronnie McDowel got this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIIon1S1Das
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:07:26 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
When women aren't literally required to date these guys to avoid ending up living with their parents or on the streets....they don't.
Saying the quiet part loud there chief, lol
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LeoRavus
02/22/23 9:11:38 PM
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17 year old girl in my school brought a 31 year old man to the prom.

I was like damn girl must have had daddy issues

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bsp77
02/22/23 9:12:06 PM
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My fiance literally just told me about this like 15 minutes ago. It is because of a higher incidence of being bi and also dating older guys. Then she blamed me for contributing to the problem. Lol, sorry (not sorry)

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:12:37 PM
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So women DO want weak emotional men? Hmm I'm not one of those "gurus" but that definitely doesn't sound right to me.

Women sometimes do want an emotional man...until they see what one crying looks like. inb4anecdotes
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bsp77
02/22/23 9:14:36 PM
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LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
So women DO want weak emotional men? Hmm I'm not one of those "gurus" but that definitely doesn't sound right to me.

Women sometimes do want an emotional man...until they see what one crying looks like. inb4anecdotes
Women do want emotional men. The fact that you added "weak" casts you in a negative light.

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:17:58 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
That's an issue of practice and it's a real issue, but I don't think it's the core issue. The core issue is that many many men are taught that masculinity means putting up barriers, stoicism, hiding emotions other than anger. That's the default in our culture and it's getting increasingly out of step with what leads to a good life and what women want from men.
Not sure what you mean with the last sentence (too vague) but idk if the "emotional availability" explanation really makes sense because when you look at how things have been progressing, men have been told and taught more and more that it's safe to show emotion. Yet this issue with sexlessness in men gets worse and worse. The two don't track with each other at all.
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DoctorPiranha3
02/22/23 9:21:36 PM
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Irony posted...
All I'm getting from this is that young women are dating older guys

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MelbuFrahma4
02/22/23 9:24:52 PM
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Quite a few of those takeaways are Jordan Peterson talking points. For why so many men are single. But he is kinda persona non grata and considered alt right so at least when you say his talking points people will listen.

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:26:13 PM
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gasgpmo posted...
I don't really believe this. Any men ITT remember being taught not to express emotion? I don't. And school always tried to get you to express yourself constantly.
Maybe it's different in the midwest but this is definitely the opposite of how I was raised. Tbh I don't think the imperative to not cry really matters with men; I was taught crying makes you look like a joke as a boy, but it didn't stop me from crying of course. The adage "men don't cry" is just true, there's a physiological change that occurs in boys after puberty that makes it happen less which doesn't seem to occur with girls. That cultural value has a source, I know people on the left hate to think some values are based in nature but it's just true. Aside from that though, there aren't really any other emotional outbursts that men specifically are shamed for besides maybe giddiness at childrens' things.

As for the school thing, that's also not what I experienced. School definitely tried to snuff out my enthusiasm in a variety of ways but that might be because I was a class clown and disrespected my teachers a lot
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Supersex420
02/22/23 9:26:21 PM
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lol what a trash fire

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MelbuFrahma4
02/22/23 9:30:36 PM
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Read article and it is actually sadder than I thought. Damn

The same emotional deficits that hurt men in the dating pool also hamper them in forming meaningful friendships. Fifteen percent of men report having no close friendships, a fivefold increase from 1990, according to research by the Survey Center on American Life. Men are less naturally relational than women, said Richard Reeves, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution whose new book, Of Boys and Men, has drawn wide praise.

Social circles have been shrinking for men and women, especially since the pandemic, but men struggle more. Thirty years ago, 55 percent of men reported having six or more close friends. By 2021, that share had slipped to 27 percent.

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Coca-Cola
02/22/23 9:31:54 PM
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Chad is keeping busy juggling multiple women at once

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:32:15 PM
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Why are you saying "all the time"? No one said that. You added that part to make arguing easier.

Also that's just wrong anyway, a lot of men would be glad to be with a woman who cries a lot. I myself really like melancholic women who cry. Is there a woman who wants a man like that? You might be able to find one in the world, somewhere. You'd have to look a very, very long time though.
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:34:16 PM
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bsp77 posted...
Women do want emotional men. The fact that you added "weak" casts you in a negative light.
You might want to try reading the post I'm responding to next time.
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