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bsp77
02/22/23 9:38:00 PM
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LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
You might want to try reading the post I'm responding to next time.
You might want to try understanding that when she said "weak emotional men" she was ridiculing that preconception. You used it in earnest.

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:38:53 PM
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bsp77 posted...
You might want to try understanding that when she said "weak emotional men" she was ridiculing that preconception. You used it in earnest.
This backtracking, lol. You said I added it; I didn't. Accept your lumps like a man
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:41:57 PM
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I'm not interested in your anecdotes, though. I can meet them with my own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no7FuVwcn6w
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:45:26 PM
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Welp there goes your entire position, lol *flushing sound*

Basically you want men to be just the right amount of emotional; still masculine and strong (stronger than you) though. I wonder why men are having a hard time? Well except telepathic men I guess, they've gotta be killing it
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I4NRulez
02/22/23 9:46:44 PM
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that article is saying that men stay online and watch porn instead of dating and women mostly dont.

sucks for the men on CE lol

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bsp77
02/22/23 9:48:34 PM
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LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
Welp there goes your entire position, lol *flushing sound*

Basically you want men to be just the right amount of emotional; still masculine and strong (stronger than you) though. I wonder why men are having a hard time? Well except telepathic men I guess, they've gotta be killing it
Sounds like you are having a hard time. Part of me wants to help many guys on CE like you, and part of me thinks you deserve it for your awful viewpoints

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:49:14 PM
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Why mention them then? It just makes you sound like you have nothing. No one cares about your personal experiences, which may be made up anyway.

Also from your article:
According to the survey of 1,500 people by Elite Singles, 95 per cent of women say

Stopped reading there, lol. People don't always know what they want.
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CyricZ
02/22/23 9:53:03 PM
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The meme of "switch to men" is hilarious but honestly I gave it some consideration before realizing that like 90% of men I can't stand in general.

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bsp77
02/22/23 9:54:06 PM
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Not even sure why I got involved. I have no interest in debating with this BS tonight. Not sure how you manage to stay at it! Hope you are well

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:54:36 PM
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Protesting just a little too much, lol. So if men are supposed to be emotionally stronger, just how much do you want? Is it appropriate for your man to cry at the end of The Notebook, for instance or is that too far
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:55:54 PM
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bsp77 posted...
Sounds like you are having a hard time. Part of me wants to help many guys on CE like you, and part of me thinks you deserve it for your awful viewpoints
You don't have any help to give let's be honest. Spiteful little narcissists don't have anything for me.
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bsp77
02/22/23 9:58:22 PM
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LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
You don't have any help to give let's be honest. Spiteful little narcissists don't have anything for me.
Not for people like you, no I don't. I wouldn't wish you on any woman

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 9:58:29 PM
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*spouts anecdotes constantly as well as surveys based on opinions and self-reporting, not what actually happens*
*thinks it somehow epically pwns me"

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Smackems
02/22/23 9:59:29 PM
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I've always just been myself and been able to date fine. Do I have some toxic traits? Probably. But eh idk where I was going with that

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bsp77
02/22/23 10:05:15 PM
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This is exactly right. My fiance and I were talking about this after watching a show featuring an incel. Lack of socialization is by far the biggest contributing factor.

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WingsOfGood
02/22/23 10:05:28 PM
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is article actually saying they are dating older cause

It was talking about how they rather than going a boring date would like to go out with friends

that doesn't sound very taken...
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gasgpmo
02/22/23 10:05:59 PM
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Refer to the article in the first post of the thread. It's a vicious cycle. Loneliness makes people bitter. Nobody wants to be with bitter people. Rinse, repeat.

society often expects men to be stoic
Sure must suck to be this society fellow, because men complain all the time.

Also weird you call it a buzzword when it's existed since the 20th century:
The article itself said it "gets thrown around as a buzzword often", and said it's become more popular in the last 10 or so years due to fourth-wave feminism.

Key word in this is "by." it's not stating that's what toxic masculinity is. It's saying toxic masculinity leads to such behavior.
Actually, it's stating "Some toxic masculinity examples include", and then lists those behaviours. So yes, it is stating that's what toxic masculinity is. I don't really know why you'd argue otherwise, much less make it seem like some sort of gotcha moment.

Please pay attention if you want others to take you seriously.
Okay, cool. And if you want others to take you seriously, don't post things like "I was going to reply to it until..." and then reply anyway. You want to seem above an argument, but want even more to argue. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

"People on the internet." Ah, the classic implication that I am "terminally online".
Actually, that was in reply to the other person.

as a married women who spends more time hiking and outdoors than she does on the net.
So in other words, you don't actually know what it's like for the people we were originally talking about. You don't have first-hand knowledge of what long-term isolation is like, and thus don't know how emotionally crippling it can be. You have a flight of fancy that men are increasingly becoming/staying single due to a culture that is no longer relevant, because it's been more or less abandoned since the 20th century.
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 10:10:45 PM
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bsp77 posted...
Not for people like you, no I don't. I wouldn't wish you on any woman
Came back in for the last word, eh? You just can't help yourself, can you. Typing nasty things on gfaqs on a wednesday night, I YEARN for whatever invaluable lady advice a playboy like you was gonna bestow upon us deprived urchins. Oh well
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 10:17:04 PM
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More than just being satisfied by online content/media (I think it's probably deeply unsatisfying for most, actually), it alsot replaces social interaction in a big way. You don't really have to make plans with people or go out or do any of the other hassles that people do to get together, it's easier a lot of the time to stay in and grind through a game or binge watch a show, etc. Doing stuff with people isn't as much of a pastime anymore
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Raikuro
02/22/23 10:17:15 PM
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Is this a situation where Chad is banging 3 women but would not claim to be "dating" them, but all 3 women think they're dating Chad >_>
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bsp77
02/22/23 10:17:39 PM
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LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
Came back in for the last word, eh?


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legendary_zell
02/22/23 10:22:50 PM
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These points about isolation and lack of socialization are all true, but that doesn't automatically conflict with the toxic masculinity point. My view is that in the past, people were significantly more socialized, both for better and for worse. People got a lot more instruction on how exactly they were supposed to act in general and how they were supposed to interact with women. Now, we've cut a lot of the toxicity, but also just cut back on socialization in general. So young men have some vague idea of what they're not supposed to do, but also only a vague idea of what they're supposed to do and significantly less practice at doing it.

That leaves women faced with men who don't know what they're doing, so they may only see the toxicity and none of the charm. That leads to rejection which leads to further toxicity from a subset of men hurt by rejection and genuine long term loneliness.

These young men had an idea that it wasn't this hard in the past and it's not supposed to be that hard. And it's true that it was easier in the past, but a lot of that ease rested on the cultural and economic subjugation of women that's not coming back. So what these men need is non-toxic socialization for the modern era. We still haven't fully worked that out as a society, and that leaves room for the PUAs, incels, and Andrew Tate types who sell these young men on the idea that unreconstructed masculinity is and always will be the only way to attract women.

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 10:23:48 PM
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Posting a statistic doesn't actually automatically mean you win the argument though, lol. They have to actually demonstrate what you're saying. You know how studies are, anyway. For every one that wsays one thing, another that says the opposite.

https://www.israel21c.org/women-really-dont-like-sensitive-men-study-finds/
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Cocytus
02/22/23 10:25:04 PM
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Never thought I'd see society so broken, and I fear it will only get worse.

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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 10:26:31 PM
#87:


bsp77 posted...

Those are my words so unfortunately that doesn't count as you getting the last word :(
Gotta come up with an original post bub. Hurry up now, you don't want CE to start thinking you've got nothing left to say.
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Gamingsince1989
02/22/23 10:27:08 PM
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I was extremely busy in my early 20s between working a full-time job and going to university at night. I still found time for dating on the weekends though. I think the key thing for young men these days is they need to show they're trying to do something with their life. That doesn't necessarily mean going to college but show a woman that you're serious about pursuing something in life. If you're just working a random retail job/fast food etc. and show no initiative to grow, then it's no wonder women are dating older.
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HylianFox
02/22/23 10:28:02 PM
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LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
Also from your article:
According to the survey of 1,500 people by Elite Singles, 95 per cent of women say

Stopped reading there, lol. People don't always know what they want.

By that logic we may as well throw out any sort of public poll or the concept of democracy itself because "people don't know what they want"

Disengaged posted...
Women don't want to take care of useless babies just to have a fuck, shock and awe.

Ah. See, the question we should be asking is WHY are young men just "useless babies" to begin with.
Once that issue is resolved the problem of young men not being desirable candidates for a relationships evaporates.

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Gwynevere
02/22/23 10:28:31 PM
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Expected incel central itt, got incel central

The behavior on display here is precisely why the dating scene looks the way it does. People like @Gladius_ and bsp have good advice to offer, and you guys would rather talk about fucking Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson

Christ

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MelbuFrahma4
02/22/23 10:30:26 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
is article actually saying they are dating older cause

It was talking about how they rather than going a boring date would like to go out with friends

that doesn't sound very taken...

Title of thread/article makes it seems it is just dating. But article mention dudes these day arent even able to make many male friends. I remember a comedian with a punchline along the lines of the bible was fake because Jesus made 12 male friends after college. So men might have a major problem with any type of social interaction.

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bsp77
02/22/23 10:34:00 PM
#92:


LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...
Those are my words so unfortunately that doesn't count as you getting the last word :(
Gotta come up with an original post bub. Hurry up now, you don't want CE to start thinking you've got nothing left to say.
Nah, you need a win in your life. You can have the last word. Go ahead.

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bsp77
02/22/23 10:35:17 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
Expected incel central itt, got incel central

The behavior on display here is precisely why the dating scene looks the way it does. People like @Gladius_ and bsp have good advice to offer, and you guys would rather talk about fucking Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson

Christ
Thank you but admittedly, I wasn't helpful in this thread. Not in the mood. But if anyone actually wants help, I am always willing.

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Axiom
02/22/23 10:43:09 PM
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People seriously responding to an account named lelumad. Why are you doing this to yourselves
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HylianFox
02/22/23 10:44:41 PM
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I will say that I am grateful that I went to school before social media and smartphones were a thing.

It's crazy how much harassment kids put up with from their peers these days. If I had a kid in school I'd likely forbid them from using social media for their own sake. >_>

Not be a screaming "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" type, but kids do seem to be exposed to too much too fast these days, and they're not adequately prepared to deal with it.

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Glob
02/22/23 10:45:59 PM
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Yes but you know that there are people who feel personally attacked the moment they hear the term because they dont understand it and then they dont understand it because they feel personally attacked every time they hear it.
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LELuMADuRUSTLED
02/22/23 10:46:58 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
Expected incel central itt, got incel central

The behavior on display here is precisely why the dating scene looks the way it does. People like @Gladius_ and bsp have good advice to offer, and you guys would rather talk about fucking Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson

Christ
No one's talking about fucking Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson. But now that you mention it, which does CE think would be a better fuck? The obvious answer seems like Joe, but bear in mind he is a manlet so the things he can do in bed are limited by that fact
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