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tommybel89
02/21/23 3:01:31 PM
#51:


It came out hot out of the gate and outsold X-Box during that initial Christmas season. Once the word of mouth about Halo started gaining ground, they turned the tables on Nintendo. By the time Halo 2 came out, that game was a genuine phenomenon off the bat. No GC game had that sort of hype.

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tommybel89
02/21/23 3:08:36 PM
#52:


FuriousFox posted...
It was generally considered to be a disappointment back when it was current. Most of the sequels to the N64's heavy hitters were weaker than their predecessors (Double Dash wasn't as good as MK64, Super Mario Sunshine wasn't as good as Super Mario 64, Wind Waker wasn't as good as Ocarina of Time, Star Fox Assault wasn't as good as Star Fox 64, etc.) It also missed out on a lot of the multiplatform titles that were on Xbox and PS2 due to the C-Stick being a terrible right-analog and the controller not having as many buttons as the other two consoles. It only had 2 games that supported online play, both from the same series, and you had to buy a modem and a weird-looking keyboard controller in order to play them. It just didn't have enough good games to keep players satisfied. Melee has not left GameFAQs' Top 10 Message Boards for Gamecube ever since it came out despite being a release title, mainly because there weren't enough big releases to dethrone it
One tiny caveat, Melee was not a release game. To my memory it came out early December. But the rest is pretty much right.

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tommybel89
02/21/23 3:23:24 PM
#53:


GCN had some great and well received games in the online nerd crowd. But PS2 and XBox was getting crossover attention. The tidal wave of GTA 3, VC, SA, and Halo 2 was earth shattering. Nintendo offered nothing that gained traction outside of its dedicated fanbase.

In my experience and memory, the GC simply wasn't as cool at the time.

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Powdered_Toast
02/21/23 3:24:40 PM
#54:


FuriousFox posted...
Most of the sequels to the N64's heavy hitters were weaker than their predecessors
I'm glad somebody said it. So many of the sequels were not necessarily bad, but disappointing. Melee was amazing though.

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VGAddict90
02/21/23 3:25:21 PM
#55:


Do you feel like Halo is the only reason the original Xbox sold well?

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Holy_Cloud105
02/21/23 3:26:39 PM
#56:


The GameCube being a flop is the reason the Wii existed. Nintendo 100% shifted gears of trying to compete with Sony after the PS2 crushed it.

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Prismsblade
02/21/23 3:37:10 PM
#57:


WaterLink posted...
You mean online multiplayer? Because there were multiplayer games though yes it didn't really have much online support. The games I just listed were exclusives, or at least timed exclusives in the case of RE4 and maybe a couple others. There were still multi-plats you could get like the James Bond games or Tony Hawk games or sports games, and more that had local multiplayer.
Yes, never was much of a fan of sports games though I enjoyed double dash. But without online i dont think they would have kept me occupied for long.

There were some other GCN I wanted but could never find like the ocarina of time and majoras mask bundle, and Eternal Darkness.

Even then I would have ran through those and it would have collected dust regardless overtime. Thing was so useless after a while someone I knew referred to it as 'the little toaster that couldn't'.

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tommybel89
02/21/23 3:37:33 PM
#58:


VGAddict90 posted...
Do you feel like Halo is the only reason the original Xbox sold well?
Certainly not the only reason, but as a whole, Nintendo never had a game on that level of importance in this gen.

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Skeletal_King
02/21/23 3:41:56 PM
#59:


Because at the time it did flop.
It sold 21m units... It's literally Nintendo's second worst console, only beaten by the Wii.

At the time it got outsold by the Xbox by 3 million units. And MASSIVELY outsold by the PS2. The only thing it did better in comparison to is the Dreamcast, it outsold that thing 2:1.
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tommybel89
02/21/23 3:54:46 PM
#60:


Nintendo outsold Xbox during the 2001 Christmas season, but they lost the 2nd place lead once things settled in for the long run.

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Finis-XII
02/21/23 3:57:37 PM
#61:


WaterLink posted...
It really didn't though

Melee
Wind Waker
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Custom Robo
Luigi's Mansion
F-Zero
Skies of Arcadia Legends (Dreamcast port but still not available on PS2 or XBOX)
Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Mario Sunshine (I enjoyed it more than most apparently, didn't know it was so hated)
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil Remake
Eternal Darkness
F-Zero GX
Paper Mario TTYD
Star Fox Adventures (I liked the game, was just linear and the ending was just kind of a let down)
MGS Twin Snakes

I mean how can you say it had a shit library? To each their own
Also Pokmon Colosseum and XD.

Why do these games get snubbed every time? Literally the best Pokmon games of their time, why do they rarely get mentioned

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tommybel89
02/21/23 4:04:56 PM
#62:


Stadium and Snap had more attention and fame. By the time those later ones rolled around, a lot of the core Pokmon fanbase was playing XBox or PS2. The GC was just not in the conversation as time went by during its cycle.

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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:06:36 PM
#63:


I didn't want a dumb pokemon RPG that isn't like real pokemon. I wanted more pokemon stadium with fun minigames and the ability to play my GB pokemans games at 2x speed.
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Philip027
02/21/23 4:08:43 PM
#64:


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Coming after the N64, just about anything would have looked good.
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tommybel89
02/21/23 4:10:46 PM
#65:


Lmao I'm afraid of playing GC because my Wavebird joystick is like crumbling around the edges. Is there a way to glue the cracks?

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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:12:09 PM
#66:


The GCN controller was much more comfortable in the hand than any previous controller from Sony or Sega or Micromsoft. Or Nintendo for that matter.

Haven't used it in forever, so I don't know if I'd still say it's the best console controller ever, but at the time it was.

Even if the c buttons were never used by most games.
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Prismsblade
02/21/23 4:12:47 PM
#67:


Finis-XII posted...
Also Pokmon Colosseum and XD.

Why do these games get snubbed every time? Literally the best Pokmon games of their time, why do they rarely get mentioned
I played the first game and while I enjoyed it then, looking back the only thing it had going for it was the music, lol.

You started with a umbreon and espeon which was pretty cool. But the two, especially the psychic type then could carry you through most of the game by themselves.

You could only catch a small pool of Pokmon, and some like totadile if I recall you only had one chance to catch. And I dont think there was a new game plus either.

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Collat
02/21/23 4:19:56 PM
#68:


It's only saving grace is that Nintendo made some good games for it. Everything else was pretty bad. At the time I actually thought they would be better off going the Sega route and just making games, but they recovered a bit with the Wii.

And I don't care who has nostalgia for it, that controller was terrible.
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party_animal07
02/21/23 4:25:27 PM
#69:


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Same. Outside of Sonic Adventure 2,Smash Bros, and the Clash of Ninja games, GameCube is wholly forgettable.

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Punished_Blinx
02/21/23 4:27:43 PM
#70:


Because;
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/5/AACT2jAAENKV.jpg

Look at that downward trend.

Getting outsold by Xbox in their first generation also wasn't great

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Scotty_Rogers
02/21/23 4:30:21 PM
#71:


It came in last place for its gen and Nintendo even had to briefly stop manufacturing it in the middle of its lifespan because sales were so bad

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ViewtifulGrave
02/21/23 4:38:44 PM
#72:


Ratchetrockon posted...
That is still a lot tho.
itd take forever to count to 21.74 million.
It sold worse than the newcomer Xbox (24.65) and the N64 (32.93). It may or may not be a flop, but I doubt Nintendo was happy with the results.

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MarcyWarcy
02/21/23 4:39:21 PM
#73:


still makes me mad that people thought a good acronym for the gamecube was "GameCube Nintendo"
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ViewtifulGrave
02/21/23 4:43:14 PM
#74:


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Yet the GameCube controller is still in production 20+ years later.

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Zikten
02/21/23 4:45:17 PM
#75:


It was good for Nintendo games. But for everything else, you wanted an Xbox or a ps2
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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:46:11 PM
#76:


Zikten posted...
It was good for Nintendo games. But for everything else, you wanted an Xbox or a ps2
It played multi-platform games fine, not sure what you're talking about.
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ViewtifulGrave
02/21/23 4:53:39 PM
#77:


BurmesePenguin posted...
It played multi-platform games fine, not sure what you're talking about.
Yeah Im fairly certain that Tales of Symphonia and Viewtiful Joe run better on the GCN in comparison to the PS2.

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garan
02/21/23 4:54:54 PM
#78:


Because compared to the PS2, it was a flop.
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Punished_Blinx
02/21/23 5:03:21 PM
#79:


BurmesePenguin posted...
It played multi-platform games fine, not sure what you're talking about.

Probably means the multiplatform support in general. It wasn't really consistent.

Never got the GTA games or Max Payne games.

Got Hitman 2 but not Hitman Contracts.

Didn't get random FPS games like Black, Red Faction, Brothers in Arms and stuff like that.

The ports it got were fine though yeah.

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Gwynevere
02/21/23 5:28:02 PM
#80:


It flopped compared to the PS2, but that doesnt mean its library isnt goated

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stage4saiyan
02/21/23 5:34:34 PM
#81:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
Yet the GameCube controller is still in production 20+ years later.
Microsoft rereleased the Duke controller (which was better than the GameCube one). People will buy anything for nostalgia.

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MarcyWarcy
02/21/23 6:09:01 PM
#82:


stage4saiyan posted...
Microsoft rereleased the Duke controller (which was better than the GameCube one). People will buy anything for nostalgia.

the gamecube controller stinks but the duke worse. its got an even worse dpad and the reliance on the white and black buttons mean you have to move your hand around to use the face buttons. pretty bad sticks too from what i remember
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Jshipp24
02/21/23 6:34:16 PM
#83:


Prismsblade posted...
You could only catch a small pool of Pokmon, and some like totadile if I recall you only had one chance to catch. And I dont think there was a new game plus either.
I mean that's just wrong, sure if you messed up the initial capture might as well reset but you can refight and capture all the Johto starters post game.

But besides the switch games Colloseum and Gale of Darkness are by far the best console Pokemon games. The stadium games are good but are literally expansion games and if you don't have the gen 1 and 2 games you lose our own a lot. Won't say much about snap since I didn't really play it though.

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Darkninja42
02/21/23 6:44:35 PM
#84:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
Yet the GameCube controller is still in production 20+ years later.
Eh, so is The Duke, nostalgia overrides everything

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pauIie
02/21/23 7:07:25 PM
#85:


MarcyWarcy posted...
still makes me mad that people thought a good acronym for the gamecube was "GameCube Nintendo"
dur posted...
GameCube Nintendo?
yeah so it didn't get confused with neo geo color

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Background_Guy
02/21/23 7:09:37 PM
#86:


It was a great console with great games but it was objectively a financial disappointment. I know Reggie openly admitted that
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ViewtifulGrave
02/21/23 7:15:49 PM
#87:


stage4saiyan posted...
Microsoft rereleased the Duke controller (which was better than the GameCube one). People will buy anything for nostalgia.
Smh people arent continually buying the GCN controller for nostalgia.

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MarcyWarcy
02/21/23 7:18:27 PM
#88:


pauIie posted...
yeah so it didn't get confused with neo geo color

theres no such thing as a neo geo color, its called a neo geo pocket color. no excuse
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pauIie
02/21/23 7:21:59 PM
#89:


MarcyWarcy posted...
theres no such thing as a neo geo color, its called a neo geo pocket color. no excuse
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Lochi
02/21/23 7:31:20 PM
#90:


garan posted...
Because compared to the PS2, it was a flop.
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Kaldrenthebold
02/22/23 1:52:08 AM
#91:


BurmesePenguin posted...
It played multi-platform games fine, not sure what you're talking about.

Lol go look at splinter cell and say that. All three of them are garbage on the GCN cause they are based on the inferior PS2 versions and also worse than that. Only sometimes did the GCN do well with multiplat games otherwise it was often worse than the PS2 or straight forgotten with sequels

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kirbymuncher
02/22/23 2:00:02 AM
#92:


what do the controller haters dislike about the controller, I'm curious

personally I think it's great, the shape feels nice to hold, the button arrangement is good, the shoulder buttons are satisfying, the stick has notches (very important)... really the only bad thing about it is the dpad sort of sucks but basically no games evne use that

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Lost_All_Senses
02/22/23 2:05:31 AM
#93:


Slim Thug saved it.

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BurmesePenguin
02/22/23 2:27:11 AM
#94:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
Lol go look at splinter cell and say that. All three of them are garbage on the GCN cause they are based on the inferior PS2 versions and also worse than that. Only sometimes did the GCN do well with multiplat games otherwise it was often worse than the PS2 or straight forgotten with sequels
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gu-gohan
02/22/23 2:32:49 AM
#95:


Background_Guy posted...
It was a great console with great games but it was objectively a financial disappointment. I know Reggie openly admitted that
This. I loved my Cube.

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WaterLink
02/22/23 2:36:41 AM
#96:


Prismsblade posted...
Yes, never was much of a fan of sports games though I enjoyed double dash. But without online i dont think they would have kept me occupied for long.

There were some other GCN I wanted but could never find like the ocarina of time and majoras mask bundle, and Eternal Darkness.

Even then I would have ran through those and it would have collected dust regardless overtime. Thing was so useless after a while someone I knew referred to it as 'the little toaster that couldn't'.

The only flaw of the GCN's library was not being as good as the PS2. The PS2 was the GOAT console at least compared to it's contemporaries for any gen. The GCN still had a much better library than the XBOX imo. The hardware is a legit critique of the GCN, but I don't think the library is one, so I'm baffled when someone lists that as a con against the GCN.

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BettyWhite
02/22/23 3:35:45 AM
#97:


GCN carried on the N64's title of party system.

I probably played 2 single player games the entire time I had it.. but holy shit did I play a lot of Melee, Mario Party and Mario Kart with the homies. Melee alone almost made the system worth buying.

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BurmesePenguin
02/22/23 3:39:52 AM
#98:


It's a shame that Nintendo cast aside the GOATness of Melee and Smash has become what it is today.
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ViewtifulGrave
02/22/23 7:05:37 AM
#99:


BurmesePenguin posted...
It's a shame that Nintendo cast aside the GOATness of Melee and Smash has become what it is today.
Sakurai doesnt work for Nintendo.

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VeryFatKid
02/22/23 7:40:19 AM
#100:


Supersex420 posted...
GameCube is shit. I hate it. I hate everything about what Nintendo was doing around that time, even though I bought in.

Two players makes sense. A four player console just lets me know my friend who owns it is spending time with other people.
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