Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 6 - PS Time to Recycle Paper Mario Jokes

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PunishedBen posted...

Also this is the second flip now that has mentioned sealed powers. I still think that's a mechanic I'm supposed to interact with! Especially with Mario revealed to NOT be the one

Stop it. This is nonsense. There is no sealed power crap or whatever

Cody and Isquen's flips both pretty heavily imply that someone interacts with star spirits

UltimaterializerX posted...

Just reveal I guess.

I'll do it for you ulti, because you're my biggest town read not dead now

I scanned Red. Red is not a star spirit

You know what
If Ben wants to flavor meta

Peaf, how does your flavor describe why Lakilester is vanilla? The Star Spirits had their powers sealed by Bowser, and that's why they're vanilla.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If you were roleblocked, assuming they don't have two roleblocks, Cody should still be alive unless Death saved someone else like a dunce.

bear in mind that cody asked for a specific item yesterday and death's writeup does not have that item

i'm putting some serious thought into who would burn cody. he was almost definitely killed because people probably would never end up lynching him, so who would kill him for that reason?

I would not be opposed to a Red lynch.
But I'm still incredibly wary of Ben.

Also Im regretting not going for Ulti or Peaf to test the unlocking sealed poweev thing. It's just my role says nothing about unlocking people's powers

Chaeix posted...

bear in mind that cody asked for a specific item yesterday and death's writeup does not have that item

i'm putting some serious thought into who would burn cody. he was almost definitely killed because people probably would never end up lynching him, so who would kill him for that reason?

... I mean, I hate to say it, but isn't that the exact same reason Han and Sbell killed Sultan N1 last game?

honestly my theory with cody is that he was killed to lure doctor away from a more valuable target, which might mean scum didnt know death was the doc

Scratch that since the above post just reminded me peaf claimed lakitu guy

PunishedBen posted...

Also Im regretting not going for Ulti or Peaf to test the unlocking sealed poweev thing. It's just my role says nothing about unlocking people's powers

How about you hunt some scum instead of prattling about this sealed power nonsense

question:

how did cody die?

i was roleblocked, and death clearly wasn't the one who could give Cody the item to save him

who fucked up?

and i guess because i just implied it i'll be clear that i am not the burn-prevention role

UltimaterializerX posted...

We killing my target or yours? I'm happy with either but Han is a real menace to actually get lynched and in a day or two it'll be impossible.

I want to see what Han says first and go from there

Chaeix posted...

question:

how did cody die?

i was roleblocked, and death clearly wasn't the one who could give Cody the item to save him

who fucked up?

Either Death didn't protect Cody or Cody wasn't meant to be saved at all.

I was thinking... doesn't scum usually get an extra, unstoppable kill in most games? Perhaps that burn was the unstoppable EK

Kirby321 posted...

Either Death didn't protect Cody or Cody wasn't meant to be saved at all.

I was thinking... doesn't scum usually get an extra, unstoppable kill in most games? Perhaps that burn was the unstoppable EK

That they use on Cody of all people?

Who wants B8 mafia to die? That person is obv scum here

If the power unlocking thing is true, that could explain why no one saved Cody even though he said it was possible

masterplum posted...

That they use on Cody of all people?

Who wants B8 mafia to die? That person is obv scum here

Maybe the same person who killed MZero N1 in Nickelodeon Mafia
... But the only scum person from there who is in this game was Plum.

(In case it's not clear, I'm not being serious)

I would not kill a new person N1 as scum in a million years.

Not the least of which because its an asshole thing to do from a community perspective

Oh. This day has gone a little differently than I expected so far.
I am disappointed in myself that I unvoted Kirby at the end. I thought Sultan was likely town until the very end with his panicked votes that made me doubt my read.
Then I came into today thinking Ben was likely lying about his claim, because of the soft scan in Sultan's flip.
Now multiple people I think are town are vouching for Ben while people I'm unsure of are going after him!

Maybe it's best that I stop worrying about who I'm aligning with and just follow my own logic.

##Vote: Han

Han I have an idea of why you may have voted me, but I need to hear it from you. The whole "leave a vote on me and then dip for deadline" definitely doesn't make me happy. (Though I hope you had a nice time with your girlfriend. <3 )

I'm also thinking Han is the obvious answer here but no need to dogpile him early.

Ben - twink, star spirit seeker
Ctes - ???
Dumey - ???
Han - ???
Hb - not a star spirit, vanilla
JC - watt, town power
Kirby - ???
Peaf - i forget who, vanilla
Plum - ???
Red - not star spirit
Ulti - star spirit, not vanilla

honestly i kind of just want to mass because i want to try to solve the game state before i die but i know that's not the greatest idea because there's always the chance scum will just keep me alive and roleblock me.

but also i feel like if ulti, hb, and peaf are in fact vanillas, scum can super easily avoid vanillas with their night kills.

starting with han is a great choice though

##vote: han

-3 just in case. Don't want to repeat the Red situation >_>

EDumey posted...

-3 just in case. Don't want to repeat the Red situation >_>

if we get to -2 i will probably unvote to avoid exactly that

han would do well to claim to expedite things though

My thoughts coming in to today were:

Scumteam:
Ben - fake claim
Ulti - hard clearing Ben
Han
Kirby

Likely wrong about at least one, exchange one with Ctes, HB, or Red that could probably be lurking scum.

Major problem with above is Kirby hard bussing Ben with no reason in the above scenario. So if I remove the linked Ben/Ulti, then I can replace with the lurkers. Han wanted me to build a case on Ctes before, but put zero effort toward him. Maybe Han/Kirby/Ctes/Red works as a scum team here. Han buddied with SBell day 1, but distanced himself from Kirby. Let Ctes and Red lurk. I feel like this could work.

If Han is town, then it could look something like Ben/Ulti/Ctes/HB or Red as well. I don't think I have enough to info to PoE this effectively yet.

EDumey posted...

My thoughts coming in to today were:

Scumteam:
Ben - fake claim
Ulti - hard clearing Ben
Han
Kirby

Likely wrong about at least one, exchange one with Ctes, HB, or Red that could probably be lurking scum.

Major problem with above is Kirby hard bussing Ben with no reason in the above scenario. So if I remove the linked Ben/Ulti, then I can replace with the lurkers. Han wanted me to build a case on Ctes before, but put zero effort toward him. Maybe Han/Kirby/Ctes/Red works as a scum team here. Han buddied with SBell day 1, but distanced himself from Kirby. Let Ctes and Red lurk. I feel like this could work.

Does scum Ulti come in and try to take out scumbuddy Han this aggressively when scum is likely one mislynch away from mylo?

to be clear I know that your final list didnt include Ulti but I just want to say for others that it seems unlikely Ulti and Han would be scumbuddies at this point

No sorry, I think I formatted that confusingly.

I think those four are the most likely scum from individual reads, but Ulti is there mostly as a link from Ben.

The two scum teams I theorized below like
Han/Kirby/Ctes/HB or Red
Ben/Ulti/Ctes/HB or Red

would be my actual attempt at solving the game.

I typed Scumteam: at the start, but changed how I was typing the post as I wrote it. lol.

EDumey posted...

I typed Scumteam: at the start, but changed how I was typing the post as I wrote it. lol.

No worries, we got there eventually lol

Also the reason why Ctes is separated here from HB or Red is specifically because of Han listing him as the alternative to me before. I feel like as scum, there could be intent here to list his scum buddy as a potential avenue. As town, then Ctes was part of his PoE. So he fits both teams.

Speaking about Hans POE, it felt very strange.

Im used to Han coming in and giving a well thought out explanation for his POE thought process to being town along for the ride

last day he was just like these people are my POE

does that not seem very uncharacteristic to anyone else

Chaeix posted...

Im used to Han coming in and giving a well thought out explanation for his POE thought process to being town along for the ride

bring* not being

Kirby321 posted...

So... who were the peeps pushing for Sultan to be lynched again?

And more notably, was there anyone pushing for Sultan's lynch that wasn't on him Day 1? I meant to do some reading back but today has just been really busy.

Ben, who did you scan last night?

This is such a fucking scummy reaction.
Let's pare it down.

1. Asks a question that he could easily have figured out the answer to at any point in the past 25 hours
2. Asks a general question that is trying to guide the conversation away from himself
3. Tries to get ben to state his result with no obvious benefit

Kirby321 posted...

And yet none of them resolve Sbell's role flip. That whole side dialogue describing Fice T. like Goombario seems way too involved to be a complete red herring.

I'm more inclined to believe a pure flavor scanner exists in this setup and Sultan, the half-Vigilante, half-flavor scanner was the supplementary scanner, not Ben.

Why can there only be one supplementary scanner? The host has effectively told us outright that flavor matters. We've had one repeatable conditional vig that can also get a vague flavor hint, also conditionally.

Ben provides a second flavor avenue that is not outright obvious, but could have given Sultan with some extra info on who not to target. The star spirits can be power or vanilla probably, but you know what they're all going to be? TOWN. There's 7 of them in total according to Google. So that would have cut back on the number of targets that Sultan would have had in his pool to consider, assuming Ben could say "hey this guy is a star spirit".

Perhaps some number of them are in the fakeclaim list. That doesn't make ben's role any less useful to the role that is quite literally called HERO. If Ben could tell Sultan hey, this player is a star spirit, no need to target them, then that information would be hugely valuable to Sultan.

And if there's a third flavor scanner that looks at something else about a role's flavor? Great, maybe it has a use somewhere too! And if not? You are more willing to accept that VERY SMALL PART of sbell's role isn't a red herring, when this game has - I stress again - multiple ways for town to kill scum overnight.

Peace___Frog posted...

Ben provides a second flavor avenue that is not outright obvious, but could have given Sultan with some extra info on who not to target.

I hadn't considered this, since I thought the idea of Mario "activating" powers was debunked. But that's a good point about flavor-relevant utility.

masterplum posted...

I'm going to throw this out there.

I want to know if someone has a role that makes Ben's role make sense. You don't need to full claim, just a "Yeah, Ben's role would be useful to me"

Because right now Ben's role looks like one of the weakest scanners of all time so I'm really struggling envisioning a setup where a host would make that an actual town role.

Ben also weird claims right?

You say a weak scanner, i say a scanner who narrows down targets for the most busted role in the game.

It's a far more fun way to have flavor matter than "oh uh that player claimed a character that is not what i scanned them as, welp let's kill them today" and if I'm wrong about this then after this game put me on the hosting queue and I'll make it happen.

Peace___Frog posted...

You say a weak scanner, i say a scanner who narrows down targets for the most busted role in the game.

It's a far more fun way to have flavor matter than "oh uh that player claimed a character that is not what i scanned them as, welp let's kill them today" and if I'm wrong about this then after this game put me on the hosting queue and I'll make it happen.

this kind of makes sense but like, the role is useless unless Ben is claimed. Like he cant contribute anything if he hasnt claimed, but also if you have the role, theres no reason to suggest claiming voluntarily is helpful unless Sultans already claimed Mario.

this part at least is a bit of a stretch imo

Also does anyone know what Sultans role actually means by if you jump on someone who resists your attack

i honestly still havent figured out wtf that role does

I disagree.
Say we head into a day with ben and sultan both unclaimed and alive. Ben has N scans that are all still alive. Let's say N-1 are "not Star spirit" and 1 that is.

Sultan knows that he himself cannot kill himself. He also knows there is one player who is not someone he can kill. Sultan with his knowledge of his role should have every reason to trust Ben and his scan. Then there are now a total of 3 players out of 17 less lynched less nightkilled that he does not need to worry about targeting. His accuracy improves!
But how does he know which attack to use? That's where the third scanner comes into play.

Chaeix posted...

Also does anyone know what Sultans role actually means by if you jump on someone who resists your attack

i honestly still havent figured out wtf that role does

I assume there's a scum that has a hard shell or something that punishes mario for jumping on them.

I was kind of assuming that was a way to not chain-kill town members if he just shot every night and was wrong. Or at least that might be the difference between hammer and jump?

Peace___Frog posted...

I disagree.
Say we head into a day with ben and sultan both unclaimed and alive. Ben has N scans that are all still alive. Let's say N-1 are "not Star spirit" and 1 that is.

Sultan knows that he himself cannot kill himself. He also knows there is one player who is not someone he can kill. Sultan with his knowledge of his role should have every reason to trust Ben and his scan. Then there are now a total of 3 players out of 17 less lynched less nightkilled that he does not need to worry about targeting. His accuracy improves!
But how does he know which attack to use? That's where the third scanner comes into play.

Sorry, meant to add in here - unclaimed and alive heading into day (N+1) where N is the number of scans Ben has, and then Ben claims during the day. Simple situation in which Mario would still be hidden from scum, and everyone would be like "ben wtf is that role"

ALSO i hate saying "third scanner" - Sultan is not a scanning role. It is a killing role that receives a conditional fraction of a scan in a certain situation as a pity result.

Hbthebattle posted...

honestly my theory with cody is that he was killed to lure doctor away from a more valuable target, which might mean scum didnt know death was the doc

Wow crazy how i said this multiple times yesterday.

Kirby321 posted...

How about you hunt some scum instead of prattling about this sealed power nonsense

Well i don't see you doing fucking anything. Get off of confirmed town's back.

Kirby321 posted...

You know what
If Ben wants to flavor meta

Peaf, how does your flavor describe why Lakilester is vanilla? The Star Spirits had their powers sealed by Bowser, and that's why they're vanilla.

The only reason why you would care why is because you are scum looking to enhance your fake claim. Absolutely not.

Peace___Frog posted...

I assume there's a scum that has a hard shell or something that punishes mario for jumping on them.

i dont entirely disagree with this possibility but there is something that I really dont think adds up.

SBell, being a flavour GF, youd think would have this mechanism in case Sultan scans him for flavour. The only way sultan scans him for flavour is if he fights back. Why doesnt SBell have that if that is, in fact, the case?