Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 3 - Hey Mario! I'm Goombario. I'm your biggest fan!

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Isquen question. Say I'm unlynchabke why you going for I got a interesting though in my head but give me a pitch and see if it hits my incling at all and I'll share in a minute after you answer hopefully I'll be able to do it before eod

I have Tequando tonight and sometimes Fridays run late thats why I ask now

Isquen posted...

I still think it was bad, or instructed at someone else's behest. I'm feeling Han.

Just to make sure I understand, you are thinking that Sultan didn't just take an opportunistic chance to join a Kirby train, but think he was following scum buddy Han?

Isquen posted...

A combination of intuition and people being opportunistic with timing, and no, because my list of reads is typically disordered until I get a long chance to sit and think about them.

If that was not the list, then do you have any intention of sharing that with us today, assuming the pressure on you lessens up? Or is that locked up now that the moment's passed?

Isquen posted...

I should, but I won't. Last time I claimed protection and was protection, I died anyways, so forgive me if I'm just a bit soured on the prospect.

I don't know the context on this. Was it last minute, or earlier in the day? If you're town and wait til last minute with your claim with pressure on you, that is on you if you get lynched for it. Intentionally causing end of day chaos is anti-town.

Okay I didn't leave myself enough time this is my fault but I have an earry feeling one of Lea or Han is scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Something about what seemed off? And in what way?

The situation then, if I remember rightly. I hadn't slept well yesterday, and the back and forth banter was... forced.

He said he wanted to get something to happen so he went back and highlighted something that stood out. What does that make you think?

I think it was good that it got people talking, at least.

Why add fluff like this in the middle of saying nothing?

Because it's Paper Mario Mafia. Pay attention.

What reaction did Kirby give that was telling? And why, if it WAS telling, do you not like Lea hopping on it?

Kirby's reaction to the voter train, in short. It certainly told ME something, though he's essentially clammed up since. And is a Kirby without a wall of text even a Kirby?

What was it about Sultan's vote that made you think it was the best thing you've ever seen in a Mafia game?

You have an awful habit of putting words in people's mouths during games and I'm frankly exhausted by it. The best thing I've ever seen thus far was Ulti in Elden Ring, and a "wtf" vote does not even tickle the scale of that.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Isquen question. Say I'm unlynchabke why you going for I got a interesting though in my head but give me a pitch and see if it hits my incling at all and I'll share in a minute after you answer hopefully I'll be able to do it before eod

I'm more inclined to swerve my vote back on you for that claim, because best case scenario, you are and we don't kill a town, but...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Okay I didn't leave myself enough time this is my fault but I have an earry feeling one of Lea or Han is scum.

This is probably the first thing you've said this game that I can get behind.

@Kirby321

Let me know if you see this

Okay if Kirby's reaction to the vote train was telling (and I do think its good to qualify that with the 'he didnt even post a wall' statement)

Are you saying it was Sultan who bussed Kirby?

Also saying that one of Han and Lea are scum now to you feels like a major step up

Isquen posted...

You have an awful habit of putting words in people's mouths during games and I'm frankly exhausted by it.

I was specifically doing it in this instance to highlight that you basically said nothing with that response. You can "wtf" all you want, but frankly, it wasn't really a wtf vote.

EDumey posted...

you are thinking that Sultan didn't just take an opportunistic chance to join a Kirby train

Correct.

EDumey posted...

Or is that locked up now that the moment's passed?

The moment has passed and the list shifts. Time is a river. The door is a jar.

EDumey posted...

Was it last minute, or earlier in the day? If you're town and wait til last minute with your claim with pressure on you, that is on you if you get lynched for it.

It was last minute, because day 1 claiming doctor is actively suicidal, and the lynch train, ultimately, was between me and another innocent. At this point, I could have a proven omnipotent role and still get murdered for it with the current cast of players. This must be what Death felt like early last year or so.

#FreeBen

Still driving around Ben?

Hey Isquen, if you want to not be lynched, instead of being so like, idk, whinging, you could like chill?

You made a weird post. It's objectively weird sounding. This doesn't mean the players are somehow awful - it means you got your information out in a way that multiple people picked up on thinking was, well, saying nothing.

BTW, I'll go ahead and say it before you get there, but... if you're suggesting that a Scummate told Sultan to hop onto you... 12 hours into D1? When there was little activity? Then I'm not sure why you're dissing "the current cast of players".

Isquen posted...

It was last minute, because day 1 claiming doctor is actively suicidal, and the lynch train, ultimately, was between me and another innocent. At this point, I could have a proven omnipotent role and still get murdered for it with the current cast of players. This must be what Death felt like early last year or so.

You died because you claimed last minute then. Not because you claimed doctor. I don't even need to read the game to know that. And even if it is suicidal because you set yourself up to be night killed N1 or N2, then you still are saving a D1 lynch that can go somewhere more useful. A night spent killing the doctor is a night scum isn't fishing for scanners.

Being stubborn and not claiming means I have to take that into account and still consider you as scum that is scared to fake claim with no information on the board.

Fine. I'm just gonna check out tonight rather then be lectured.

##vote: Han

Isquen please dont, I am trying to help you here if you are town.

Oh come on, don't be like that.

I'm sorry I suggested that your sneaking suspicion that Sultan adding a 3rd vote to you 12 hours into the day as a Scum ploy was not a particularly clever scenario. Maybe it's right. I would happy to explain why it's not, but I'll let you ask if you want to know.

Like I dont think his responses are that unexpected given that the whole game has dumped questions on him now.

htaeD posted...

Like I dont think his responses are that unexpected given that the whole game has dumped questions on him now.

He's literally one post away from having all the pressure taken off of him.

Can someone give me a wrapup of the last few hours, this afternoon/evening has turned to shit, I'm not going to have much chance to do a full catchup before lynch.

Yeah, but given I'm the one who said "let's get some action going" and I'm actively asking questions, you would think that'd be appreciated.

I mean, I get it, in the past I've gunned hard at Isquen, but this is really not that. I've been hesitant on him the whole day - I just pushed now to get something to happen.

Obellisk posted...

Can someone give me a wrapup of the last few hours, this afternoon/evening has turned to shit, I'm not going to have much chance to do a full catchup before lynch.

People were cowards and didn't join me on Peaf, nothing happened, Isquen showed up then left.

sounds like votals are spread a little thin. we could probably get a peaf lynch with only 3, han.

EDumey posted...

He's literally one post away from having all the pressure taken off of him.

If it's that easy then I question the train

Peace___Frog posted...

If it's that easy then I question the train

Who else then, Peaf?

The other option at the time was you.

Peace___Frog posted...

If it's that easy then I question the train

Well it's quite simple. The difference between claiming and refusing to claim is pretty monumental. Why are you coming out of the framework to run defense?

Thank God I am outta there. Be home in 20

Who else?

Sbell and Plum are good picks for me. I have my suspicions about you but I don't intend to push for your lynch today.

I agree that claiming and not claiming is a huge difference. I'm being nitpicking about saying ALL of the pressure would dissipate because it feels like that would require you to have control over the other votes on him, no?

Not defense, just a smartass. Big difference, dumey.

Wait when did you start suspecting Sbell?

He did say SBell earlier.

But SBell is Town. Probably.

I'm also not into the Plum idea. I don't think I've agreed with anything Plum has said, but his insertion into the game felt a lot more natural than I remember him being as Scum.

I'll remember to time stamp every suspicion and read that i have from now on for you, death.

htaeD posted...

Wait when did you start suspecting Sbell?

yeah he tossed my name into the mix for something silly. I believe my response was "Seriously?"

I won't support the lynch of sultan, ctes, or hb, if you're looking for other Peaf reads.

Kirby and Ben were strong town reads in the middle of the day but in the time since they've both been disappointments. I'd prefer to not lynch them but I won't argue hard against it, either.

Obellisk posted...

yeah he tossed my name into the mix for something silly. I believe my response was "Seriously?"

No that was about the Ulti replace idea. I suspected you well before then.
Thank you.

So I was curious if @ at Kirby would actually do anything as bait. I figured scum Kirby would probably lawfully follow the request.

Maybe I should have asked him an actual question...

But I am leaning towards Town Kirby trying to be amicable now with that message that we could at him.... Even if it is probably completely untrue.

I have some follow up questions for him tomorrow but I don't think we special him over it.

time stamp for strong Ben town read, pls.

Peace___Frog posted...

No that was about the Ulti replace idea. I suspected you well before then.
Thank you.

oh yeah? can you timestamp that for me?

Peace___Frog posted...

I won't support the lynch of sultan, ctes, or hb, if you're looking for other Peaf reads.

Kirby and Ben were strong town reads in the middle of the day but in the time since they've both been disappointments. I'd prefer to not lynch them but I won't argue hard against it, either.

I don't want Sultan or Hb lynched either. Ctes has been in a weird place for me - I think he's been Townish in what he's said, but I don't feel he's been Townish in what he does, if that makes sense.

EDumey posted...

time stamp for strong Ben town read, pls.

Han and i had a discussion specifically about it at one point. Late topic 1, perhaps?

Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?

Yeah how the hell has anything ben said given someone a strong town read

Peace___Frog posted...

Han and i had a discussion specifically about it at one point. Late topic 1, perhaps?

Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?

Apparently literally everyone

masterplum posted...

So I was curious if @ at Kirby would actually do anything as bait. I figured scum Kirby would probably lawfully follow the request.

Maybe I should have asked him an actual question...

I asked him a very specific question directed at him for something he would surely have been aware of. Don't beat yourself up about it.

Peaf said Ben was 100% Town in topic 1 and pointed out a post, maybe 224 of Ben's, and I didn't think the post looked Townish at all

masterplum posted...

Yeah how the hell has anything ben said given someone a strong town read

I told him i officially revoked it, he's now only "slight lean town" in my book.

Peace___Frog posted...

I asked him a very specific question directed at him for something he would surely have been aware of. Don't beat yourself up about it.

Oh no, I think him not actually answering is more likely town at this point (Though if he is scum me saying this probably certainly makes him not answer)

But I couldn't exactly wait till 8:30 and say AH HA! YOU HAVE FALLEN INTO MY.... Probably town list

##unvote

who wants a completely unsolicited and probably unwanted WALL OF TEXT

Ben - would like to see more of, no real opinion

Cody - fish are friends, not food

Ctes - honestly i wasn't the biggest fan of ctes early because he had a bit of an attitude but i've
turned around on him. mild town lean.

Death - i really liked death's post last topic where he mentioned the risk of self-aware scum. does self aware scum make a post about self aware scum in an attempt to mindfuck? possibly, but i view it as towny.

Dumey - Dumey has had a bit of a different energy than D1 of last game, but I don't know if it's just your average inter-game variability.

Han - Leaning scum. I don't think his 'difference' is a good defence, and it was very anticlimactic for him to go after isquen's topic 1 post. I give Han more credit than going, 3/4 of the way through topic 2, "well, i got nothing, might as well put pressure on the one post everyone thought was fluffy". Seems lazy for Han and/or active leadership. See my thoughts on Isquen for more fun details!

Hb - hb is the loud wrong town this game.

Isquen - So last night I was thinking about Isquen and how he really does always seem to get early game pressure. People have actively talked about this the entire game and are self aware of it. People approached his fluffy post with reticence because we were all prepared to take a grain of salt with our initial reaction. But in any case it was so clear that Isquen was low hanging fruit that pressure could diffuse to, and this could be taken advantage of. I don't really have much thought on Isquen himself but I just don't like the pressure there and am disappointed in him seemingly giving up.

JC - hi hello

Kirby - I feel like he's been thoughtful and helping push things forward when he's been here. I liked his response to pressure early. Town.

Lea - Lea seems to be in a state of being irked. It is unclear why. But the last time this level of irked seeped into a game, it was the one time that Lea was scum when I've played with her (I think PSW?). Leaning scum.

Peaf - I liked the way that Peaf came across in his exchanges with Han last topic. But I don't entirely disagree that he does seem slightly different from last game. Will need to see more.

Plum - I've kind of given up on reading plum d1.

Red - can anyone ever actually have anything to say about red?

Sbell - I think that he came across well in his exchange with Lea. I often feel like I'm prone to getting bad vibes from SBell but this game I'm getting good vibes.

Sultan - Honestly this is like, cookiecutter Sultan. Says some stuff that people jump on him for, then we eventually go 'oh it's just sultan' then someone still wants to apply pressure to him, sultan OMGUSes them, and we all move on with the day. Town.

Ulti - Will need to see more. His post about Loud Town reads was good, and I liked the logic, but it was more 'hey you should keep an eye out for sultan and plum being different' as opposed to actually offering any thoughts on whether sultan and plum are being different.

so i suppose i am most willing to apply pressure to Han or Lea