Current Events > 10 people killed in mass shooting near LA after a Lunar New Year festival

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Dead body found in the driver seat of the suspect's van that was surrounded.

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Everything is arbitrary; people cant even decide when a shooting becomes a mass shooting. It's not to trivialize smaller ones but the more people who die, the bigger a tragedy something is. At some point the number feels huge, like with the Vegas and Orlando shootings

But I'm not trying to derail this topic with a debate on whats a big mass shooting so w/e

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Here's one for ya. China's got some of the strictest gun laws on the planet. This happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Or https://nypost.com/2022/11/28/university-of-idaho-murders-update-what-we-know-so-far/

Or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/06/saskatchewan-stabbings-canada-attack-victims-suspects-weldon-regina-update-what-we-know-so-far-about-the-sask-stabbing

Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_New_York_City_truck_attack

I could keep going for quite a while i you like.

Hornezz posted...

Dead body found in the driver seat of the suspect's van that was surrounded.

All that's left is finding a motive. The MPK Chamber of Commerce president speculated "jealousy". We'll see.

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If we dilute the definition far enough then sure. They're probably happening near constantly all over the world. If the criteria is 3 casualties one could probably do a stock market style ticker and still not have enough room. If the criteria isn't 3 casualties then that list you posted needs some serious pruning.

With all the "good guys with guns" you'd think they'd be able to stop mass shootings.

Real shame they only pop up after the fact and when they do they just talk about "they tryin to take our guns!!!!"

Orestes417 posted...

Here's one for ya. China's got some of the strictest gun laws on the planet. This happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Or https://nypost.com/2022/11/28/university-of-idaho-murders-update-what-we-know-so-far/

Or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/06/saskatchewan-stabbings-canada-attack-victims-suspects-weldon-regina-update-what-we-know-so-far-about-the-sask-stabbing

Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_New_York_City_truck_attack

I could keep going for quite a while i you like.

China has triple the population and you can pull out like one news story from the year of our Lord 2014

Blightzkrieg posted...

China has triple the population and you can pull out like one news story from the year of our Lord 2014

It's the one I remembered the most for the sheer scale of it. No real effort went into finding it in particular as should be obvious by the speed of reply.

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But but, mass murders don't happen in countries that have banned guns!

Strider102 posted...

With all the "good guys with guns" you'd think they'd be able to stop mass shootings.

Real shame they only pop up after the fact and when they do they just talk about "they tryin to take our guns!!!!"

Only about a third of the US population owns guns. A fraction of them actually carry. And I'm not too familiar with the carry laws in California, but I don't think it's easy to get one.

Well I guess the US doesn't have a problem if the entire rest of the world hasn't completely eradicated murder.

Why fix your own country if the rest of the world isn't already a utopia?

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I'm pretty sure belief is no longer required.

hockeybub89 posted...

Why fix your own country if the rest of the world isn't already a utopia?

Don't be obtuse. No one is suggesting nothing be attempted, just that things with a price that doesn't justify the realistic benefit not be pursued.

Malcrasternus posted...

Only about a third of the US population owns guns. A fraction of them actually carry. And I'm not too familiar with the carry laws in California, but I don't think it's easy to get one.

You wont see many if any regular law abiding person carrying in California because of all the shitty laws. Criminals there are always armed however and wipe their ass with any law.

No good guy with a gun is happening in a place where you are punished for defending yourself.

Remember in Norway where a bad guy with gun was stopped by good guys without guns?
Heavy.

Would that be the Norway where over a quarter of the population has firearms and mass shootings are near nonexistant?

Orestes417 posted...

I could keep going for quite a while i you like.

Please do.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

You wont see many if any regular law abiding person carrying in California because of all the shitty laws. Criminals there are always armed however and wipe their ass with any law.

No good guy with a gun is happening in a place where you are punished for defending yourself.

California's modern gun laws were crafted by Ronald Reagan who said that Black Panthers didn't need them to protect themselves or their community. The tough laws were vigorously backed by the NRA and have largely remained intact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Orestes417 posted...

Would that be the Norway where over a quarter of the population has firearms and mass shootings are near nonexistant?

A whole 25%. I hope they get paid since they spend so much time being good guys with guns for the other 75%.

hockeybub89 posted...

A whole 25%. I hope they get paid since they spend so much time being good guys with guns for the other 75%.

Seeing that the good guys with guns fails to do what good guys without guns do...

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1617308124259434497

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There's an unconfirmed report that the shooter's wife was invited to the party but he wasn't. We'll see.

Yeah I heard he took the coward's way out.

looks like a bullet hole in the driver side window

Orestes417 posted...

Probably because someone was stupid enough to sell one to them. Again, we need better screening. That's not a debate. Although if you pay the slightest bit of attention you'd know ghost guns are getting to be a bigger issue and lately there's been a bit of an auto-sear explosion.

Countries that never actually had the problem continued not to have one after bans... Hmm. Makes you wonder. Instead of treating inanimate objects as a cause of the problems instead of an implement used in them, which is frankly ridiculous, you should be asking the better question. Why the fuck does America have so many broken people? Because I absolutely guarantee you there's nothing that happens here that a sufficiently motivated person couldn't accomplish in ANY country you care to mention. No I don't know why it is that they don't, but they could. I wish I'd saved the article the other day pointing out the problem England has with guns being smuggled in from places like Albania.

Wrong. Australia implemented gun control as a reaction to a mass shooting. Get your facts straight please.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Wrong. Australia implemented gun control as a reaction to a mass shooting. Get your facts straight please.

Yeah, in response to one specific incident. The Port Arthur Massacre. Not several dozen a year. It was a statistical outlier. Most of the countries that get held up as examples of successfully banning weapons are a similar story.

Orestes417 posted...

Yeah, in response to one specific incident. The Port Arthur Massacre. Not several dozen a year. It was a statistical outlier.

And America chose not to implement gun control in response to any incident and has constant incidents increasing in frequency until today where theres more than 1 daily mass shooting. Its a problem of their own creation through their inaction

Kloe_Rinz posted...

And America chose not to implement gun control in response to any incident and has constant incidents increasing in frequency until today where theres more than 1 daily mass shooting. Its a problem of their own creation through their inaction

We're not in disagreement there. We ARE in disagreement on what constitutes a worthwhile course to pursue.

Orestes417 posted...

We're not in disagreement there. We ARE in disagreement on what constitutes a worthwhile course to pursue.

And my opinion is to start with what is proven working rather than to experiment. Save lives first. Improve the system later

"Proven working" in vastly different cultural scenarios involving countries that didn't have a significant issue to start with. That's a lower bar than you'll admit. Doesn't change the fact that it's the truth. It's sadly funny that people think a country that can't get it's shit together enough to have one law set at the national level preempting all the states' nonsense is going to be logistically capable of removing more guns than we have people from circulation, and that's just the ones we know about.

Orestes417 posted...

"Proven working" in vastly different cultural scenarios involving countries that didn't have a significant issue to start with. That's a lower bar than you'll admit. Doesn't change the fact that it's the truth. It's sadly funny that people think a country that can't get it's shit together enough to have one law set at the national level preempting all the states' nonsense is going to be logistically capable of removing more guns than we have people from circulation, and that's just the ones we know about.

So because its hard its not worth it to even try?
And Ill disagree with you on your terminology around problem. Id say even one mass shooting is a problem. Not as big a problem as Americas non-stop mass shootings Ill admit but its disingenuous to say its not a significant issue

Kloe_Rinz posted...

So because its hard its not worth it to even try?

Not when there are other more immediate steps that can be taken with higher odds of useful results. The aforementioned uniform legal code and proper enforcement for example. More thorough background checks. Harsher punishments for strawman purchases. More stringent education requirements. Increasing voluntary turn in programs... all more practical than "Hey guys, we're gonna take all the guns off the street" nonsense. And don't even get me started on the idiotic demonizing of arbitrary gun types by politicians and media. So much wasted time on that bullshit it's unreal.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

So because its hard its not worth it to even try?

If your goal is to stop an extraordinarily small percentage of the population per year from committing atrocities, you're not going to have much luck through that method, at least any time soon. Figuring out some way to get free and easily accessible mental health care would be a much better use of time if that's your goal. If your goal is the complete removal of gun related deaths, it'll probably take 50 years, but it's certainly fine to advocate for it.

Nemu posted...

If your goal is to stop an extraordinarily small percentage of the population per year from committing atrocities, you're not going to have much luck through that method, at least any time soon. Figuring out some way to get free and easily accessible mental health care would be a much better use of time if that's your goal. If your goal is the complete removal of gun related deaths, it'll probably take 50 years, but it's certainly fine to advocate for it.

Thank you for actually getting it. 50 years is extremely optimistic though. Maybe if you had wide support from the people you need support from but reality strongly suggests that is unlikely. Too much money at play, too much partisan nonsense.

Saw the video of the dude Brandon Tsay who disarmed the shooter. Amazing hero.

Touch posted...

Saw the video of the dude Brandon Tsay who disarmed the shooter. Amazing hero.

Same

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Ayo Vermont not even on there