Board 8 > Do you think lazy people exist?

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Yes, I know him.

He is me

so wait, if two of the options are "Yes" and "Laziness does not exist", does that mean "No" means "Laziness does exist, however zero people on earth are it"

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lazyisgood

so wait, if two of the options are "Yes" and "Laziness does not exist", does that mean "No" means "Laziness does exist, however zero people on earth are it"

As a therapist, not really. People are typically exhibiting "laziness" due to other factors.

People can be "lazy" but they typically ARE lazy because they are tired, fatigued, exhausted, depressed, suicidal, traumatized, or any other variation of some kind of mental health issue

As a therapist, not really. People are typically exhibiting "laziness" due to other factors.

People can be "lazy" but they typically ARE lazy because they are tired, fatigued, exhausted, depressed, suicidal, traumatized, or any other variation of some kind of mental health issue

selection bias?

interact with multiple people in my job and in my day to day life that aren't exhibiting "laziness" tendencies, but then also interact with lots that do. When you engage with the part that is lazy, it is basically always existing because of some other issue

There's plenty of other reasons for people to be lazy though. For example I'm lazy at work all the time, because I know we don't really get in trouble for it. Why expend the energy when I can save it for after work?

how so

Your phrasing definitely made it sound like that was something you observed via your line of work

Well, it is. I've interacted with people from all walks of life on my 12 years as a therapist, both in public and private settings. Many people come to me because they are concerned with their laziness and productivity. People aren't "lazy" they are depressed, burnt out, fatigued, over worked, under paid, anxious, traumatized, etc.

No one is "just lazy" with nothing else going on

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And there's the selection bias. You're seeing people for other things and laziness is a symptom, and people whose laziness is a big enough problem they seek help from it

I know people who are "just lazy" with nothing else going on. Hell, I'd say I qualify as lazy and I fit none of your examples nor think my actual psychological troubles have anything at all to do with it

I recognize I'm sometimes lazy because I'm afraid of failure and sometimes I'm lazy because I'm a depressive mood, and sometimes I'm lazy because I'm upset and sometimes I'm lazy because of a weak will at the moment

And most often I'm lazy because I don't want to move or expend effort.

And why don't you want to move or expend effort

because the couch is comfortable and not doing things is easier than doing things?

Well, it is. I've interacted with people from all walks of life on my 12 years as a therapist, both in public and private settings. Many people come to me because they are concerned with their laziness and productivity. People aren't "lazy" they are depressed, burnt out, fatigued, over worked, under paid, anxious, traumatized, etc.

No one is "just lazy" with nothing else going on

I feel like if you are making sure you have basic necessities taken care of before lazing you're not actually all that lazy

But most likely they'll just continue being lazy because it's easy as fuck to do assuming you have the basic necessities taken care of.

So you think being okay with living your mother throughout your life into your 60s isn't a sign of any sort of underlying mental condition and is just "normal laziness?"

That's exactly the point though. If a person's necessities are taken care of, what exactly are they missing out on if they make the "lazy" choice? If you need to put in effort to survive and you don't, you're "lazy" but actually there's something off with your survival instincts which is a sign of something deeper. If you don't need to put in the effort to survive, then it's only natural that of course you wouldn't make a choice that takes effort just for the sake of doing what other people consider effortful/productive when it doesn't get you anything. Is the child of rich parents "lazy" if they stay home all day, compared to the person who needs to go get a job?

But then beyond basic necessities, there's also other things on that human pyramid of needs. I'm not a psychologist but I'd guess that if a person is at, like, healthy mental health and has been raised in a loving environment and etc then they will usually naturally have some goals they want to achieve and that putting in effort to achieve them will come to them sort of naturally. Maybe that's not the case and some people are just innately "lazy" to the point where even if they were raised perfectly in a good environment they'd still just choose to do nothing? That's the debate of the thread I guess (thanks crazyisgood, great topic) but it's a valid debate, not just "lol nah some people are just lazy"

I think laziness exists don't get me wrong but I do think the amount of people who are completely mentally and physically alright that are lazy is a much smaller number than people in here are saying. I do feel most people who identify (or society would identify) as lazy are likely one of the following:

A. Aren't actually lazy, just claim they are because they aren't hyperactive or really liked Garfield as kids
B. Do have some sort of condition that could be resolved (or at least diagnosed) by therapy or something else

First of all because of how statistical significance of sample sizes work yes 12 years of experience may very well be sufficient to make a fairly educated guess on a population of 8 billion people depending on what the actual patient throughput was in that time. I'm also not sure I'd consider "people who seek therapy" to be some sort of invalidating anomaly vs the general population. People from all walks of life get therapy it's not just "crazy people" or whatever.