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Which parts did you not like?

do you remember any of the characters' names

Feels like there was at least a half hour of deleted scenes, but it also felt like it was full of padding

obviously visually spectacular and should really satisfy the avatar perverts out there

but also, as a sequel,extremely basic. like the whole premise doesn't even make sense. the family was apparently really well holed up in the forest, and as soon as the new navi appear jake sully takes the family and runs to a place that is extremely unprotected. it's just a cheap excuse to go to water world.

I thought the very ending sequence was the most egregious. We just spent a third of the movie becoming one with water and yet we suddenly have drowning as the looming threat? I thought the dad was going to win the fight by being able to stay under water longer which would have been a satisfying conclusion to that arc. Instead it dragged out another 15 minutes with the entirely unnecessary children rescue.

Or how about how the one child was the scientists daughter? Completely irrelevant and completely dropped. How about how the mother cut spider and the tension between them. That really could have been interesting. No, spider was ok abandoning his biological dad and was happy with the blue people again.

Some of this probably sequel setup, but its dumb setup. The movie is already over 3 hours.

do you remember any of the characters' names

Also, is 70 million for a vial of amrita even that much? For something that stops human aging alltogether?? Seems cheap to me. I don't think that price was thought or, nor do I think it in any way can be cost effective at that price to run that operation if one tulkun supposedly can only supply a single vial (I wish they showed it extracting a bunch of vials from it).

Also, why do they considered him Outcast and like they are oblivious to what happened when apparently so many Na'vi went to battle and died also? Do they really think thus one tulkun murdered an entire herd of his fellows and all them na'vi as well? Surely someone can see they were mowed down by Sky People weapons. There is a disconnect here, which possibly has a greater realization hidden in deleted scenes.

What happened to the Marine Biologist in the end? After I finished the movie I realized I didn't catch if he got caught up in all the people getting killed at the end.

Yeah, it sound a bit cheap to me unless the dosage is something like daily. But, I don't think they collect it fast enough to support that frequency.

They explain it: according to Tukkun beliefs, the fact that he attempted to kill/led everyone to kill is as good as killing.

I have a question for those who have seen the film.

I will go with my family next week. Should I see it in 3D or Dolby 3D with the high framerate? I have heard mixed things about the use of HFR, so any opinions would be welcome. For what its worth this would be at the cinema Cameron and Landau tuned the film using so maybe that would give a better experience.

No, the whole thing is that he was properly outcast but the son doesnt understand/agree with it.

The scene where after he bonds with him (where he sees what happened) and does try to plead his case, he says like you dont understand, he didnt actually kill anyone and the chieftain is like this proves you are the one who doesnt understand.

I saw it in IMAX 3D with HFR and I think it was absolutely worth it, to the point that I don't think it's worth seeing it in any other way. The best parts of the movie were the visual spectacle, so it's worth going all out. There are a few caveats though...

First, a lot of the average movie-going public generally finds high frame rates to be weird or cheap looking (mainly because it's associated with soap operas). For people who play a lot of video games and are used to high FPS it shouldn't be a problem, but if you're going with family who may not have that experience they may not enjoy it.

Second it should be noted that only parts of the movie are HFR. Some of it is in 48 FPS, some of it is 24 FPS doubled, and some of it is straight up still in 24 FPS(!!). It would only be mildly jarring to see it switch frame rates throughout the the film, but there are some scenes where the FPS changes depending on the camera shot, causing it to swap multiple times in a minute, and it's really distracting. I would still say it's worth going to see it in HFR anyway, but it's important to be prepared for that because it might bother you.

Regarding the outcast

The Tukkun way is not fighting back ever. Not even against groups that are actively trying to murder you and your family. Lo'ak is not on board with this. He thinks that the outcast shouldn't be thrown out since he was doing it in self defense. The water chief does not agree with Lo'ak's view. He sees the outcast attacking the humans as no different than being responsible for killing other Tukkun itself.

I'm not entirely sure how this view make sense since the water chief is totally okay with his Na'vi people killing the attackers to protect the Tukkun. It just isn't okay when a Tukkun does it.

The outcast Tukkun then shows up during the final battles and is mostly portrayed as a hero for doing the same thing it did before and killing humans to protect its friends. In universe this leads to nothing. I don't think the movie actually addressed what the characters thought of the outcast killing more humans in violation of the Tukkun way. The outcast's role was simply done after it help saved Jake from drowning.

I don't recall the flashback scene well enough to say if the other Tulkun were helping to fight or not. But, if they were I think they all get thrown out. For what it is worth, the Tulkun losing makes more sense if they weren't really fighting back. It doesn't seem like they should lose if a herd of them got serious about defending. So are you sure you are remembering it correctly?

I also recall that the head poacher guy at one point explicitly mentioned that in all of his hunts the Tulkun never, ever, ever fight back. He is literally chasing them down and murdering them and they never fight back. So Payakan (and maybe his allies?) fighting back is definitely abnormal behavior.

How could they possibly know how far that fire extended out

I believe Jake expected Spider to give up their location and this would cause a lot of danger for everyone there including his family. So he decided to run. As it turns out, Spider never breaks so the forest would have remained mostly safe. The new location isn't as well defended but the idea was to not be found in the first place.

The part I didn't get is why the sky people bothered chasing Jake. After Jake ran, the attacks on the sky people would have become far less damaging. On the off chance they didn't, that means Jake wasn't the real problem anyways.

This was the big thing for me. Ostensibly the only reason they were concerned with Jake wss because he was causing all their problems. No Jake? No problem! Who cares if he buggered off to an island, that means he's not blowing up trains anymore!

That was the kind of faulty logic that takes me out of things.

That's completely ignoring the fact that they completely diverted away from the terrible "Unobtanium" resource which was supposed to have been their entire reason for coming to Pandora in the first place. They replaced one terrible justification for another with the cartoonishly evil space whale brain juices that somehow.prevent aging?

They could hold their breath a pretty fucking long time! Think about how long they were holding it to navigate the ship!

The children knew how to breathe better in the water than the parents but still they were not as good as the metkayina nor as fast.

Problem with going under the fire is what if you get pretty far underneath it and realize you can't clear it. Then you're screwed cuz you can't go back up.

I did think however that it doesn't matter how much I like that movie because there was no way I could ever like it more than it liked itself.

Yeah, it sound a bit cheap to me unless the dosage is something like daily. But, I don't think they collect it fast enough to support that frequency.