Board 8 > Pokemon Scarlet/Violet Review Zone

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The Switch just is not powerful enough for good graphics.

https://twitter.com/Blun_Z/status/1593695390171369474?t=YRCB4Pi66aRcMU_9FZkhuw&s=19

Pokemon models loading slowly in the box is probably the thing that's annoyed me the most so far.

Also using the foods to increase type encounters really work. I ate a crepe to try to find a Pachirisu, and while I did pretty quickly, I'm also swimming in Pawmi now. They're everywhere!

As they typically are, those comparisons are at least slightly disingenuous since Xenoblade also has performance problems, often falling short of 30 fps even as the resolution completely plummets.

Even still, XC3's performance is a good sight better than what we're seeing from Scarlet/Violet, while also being visually stunning and far less buggy and glitchy. XC3 by all rights should be a much heavier game than this, and the difference really comes down to that fact that MonolithSoft is a very adept developer when it comes to eking out console power while GameFreak... isn't.

rip

https://twitter.com/ar_art_1/status/1593529909565165569

Some say hes still falling to this day

Monolith is Nintendo's best development studio, while Game Freak is Nintendo's worst.

mnk posted...

Pokemon models loading slowly in the box is probably the thing that's annoyed me the most so far.

Also using the foods to increase type encounters really work. I ate a crepe to try to find a Pachirisu, and while I did pretty quickly, I'm also swimming in Pawmi now. They're everywhere!

Oh that's useful thanks

Ah and yeah I did notice the loading thing. That's a bit weak.

It's not running that smoothly, but it's bothering me less than I feared and I'm having a lot of fun so far.

You can wander pretty far off before even going to the first Pokmon center which is pretty neat.

just discovered Tinkatink and looked at the evo line. absolutely in love with this amy rose pokemon

Delivery delayed until 10pm tomorrow :(

swordz9 posted...

You can wander pretty far off before even going to the first Pokmon center which is pretty neat.

Just dont fall into the water 5 times trying to get this one Buizel

Have you guys been able to connect with randos for the Tera raids? No one ever shows up for me and I have to go with bots :(

ZenOfThunder posted...

just discovered Tinkatink and looked at the evo line. absolutely in love with this amy rose pokemon

Oh yes I love this line

I have a minor beer with that line. The fully evolved ones base attack is 75 (?), which seems way too low for a thing with a giant hammer

finally reached the pokecenter

woah crafting TMs so thats what those are for huh neat

I definitely like a lot of additions in the game, just wish it ran better and didn't do the uniforms thing grr

How early can I find Tinkatink?

swordz9 posted...

How early can I find Tinkatink?

pretty early near the Klawf boss fight

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I have a minor beer with that line. The fully evolved ones base attack is 75 (?), which seems way too low for a thing with a giant hammer

Guess they had to balance it having a 160 base power signature move somehow (no, I don't think "can't use it twice in a row" is a big enough downside).

Mesogaza is probably too big for what it offers. Like if you need to reuse the same stores and restaurants numerous times to fill the space, maybe just don't take up as much space. I'm trying to explore the whole thing before going to the school, and after going through the right half, the left half is mostly just more of the same and largely uninteresting. At least there's a couple bits of almost platforming to find a couple neat items.

The crew going into the final gym!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/6/5/AAblU3AAD5dF.jpg

I guess those legendaries aren't post-game only then.

He won't listen to me yet anyways, I need to beat this gym first LOL

I know these games all have bad graphics but the intro cutscene and walking around the house were a shock.

I just started the game and I really don't get what's so bad about the intro cutscene/house graphics? They certainly aren't amazing, but they're nowhere near as bad as people on GameFAQs seem to be suggesting.

They're not N64/PS2 graphics because those couldn't quite manage this style, although PS2 can manage some stuff in cutscenes, but they run really badly and look really er, cheap. It may not help having just come off of God of War Ragnarok on PS5, but I certainly did not have that effect going back and forth between that and Bayonetta 3, also on the Switch.

And the camera getting stuck in the back of the house not following your character leaves a strong impression.

paperwarior posted...

And the camera getting stuck in the back of the house not following your character leaves a strong impression.

See, I honestly don't even remember that happening. I couldn't tell you if it did or not to me, because to me, something like that is just... 3D gaming, so I never pay attention to it unless it's a legitimate problem.

When people go "This looks like a PS2 game," I just assume they're either already determined to hate it no matter what, or forget what PS2 games actually looked like.

Well, it happened to me after interacting with the TV in the back, and when I tried to do the same a second time, it repeated. And someone else mentioned it in this topic, I believe. Something that common probably should have been caught by the day 1 patch, given it's in the first location you ever explore in the game.

StealThisSheen posted...

Like, I keep seeing "N64/PS2 graphics," and it's like... No?

Were going to the high end here, but FFXII looks better than this does.

I mean it's obviously a lower resolution, but besides that.

Like "3D gaming" as a whole doesn't just have the camera glitch out wildly almost as soon as you start playing, much less ones made by an experienced dev with a real budget that will sell millions of copies.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Were going to the high end here, but FFXII looks better than this does.

Yeah, vehemently disagree with this. FFXII was a muddy mess. It looked nice at the time, but that's because most PS2 games outside of pre-rendered cutscenes basically smeared vasoline over the screen to look nice.

I'm not regretting my purchase because I somehow expected not Gamefreak graphics, but it's bad. I'm probably exaggerating to myself here but I don't think Legends Arceus looked this bad.

Can agree that FF12 looks significantly better than what I've seen of Scarlet.

We're getting to the point where not everyone is experiencing the same inconsistent issues as everyone else, which inevitably results in a lot of "it didn't happen to me, so I don't know why people are complaining." It reminds me of when Cyberpunk released and was borderline unplayable on PS4/Xbone while being serviceable on PC.

https://neverendingrealm.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Final-Fantasy-XII-Screenshot.jpg

I can just never agree this looks better than S/V, even if S/V look bad compared to other Switch games.

StealThisSheen posted...

https://neverendingrealm.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Final-Fantasy-XII-Screenshot.jpg

I can just never agree this looks better than S/V, even if S/V look bad compared to other Switch games.

Again...yeah the resolution is a lot worse.

But I'd say this all looks better than S/V besides that!

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Again...yeah the resolution is a lot worse.

But I'd say this all looks better than S/V besides that!

I don't understand what this means

it looks worse but besides that it looks better?

Just found a shiny gardevoir >_>...

MZero posted...

I don't understand what this means

it looks worse but besides that it looks better?

Resolution is a seperate conversation from the actual art and asset quality. You can lower or raise the resolution of any game, just a matter of what the hardware can display.

Even if you don't consider that the case personally and think the 480p matters, it's still embarrasing that PS2 FFXII running in an emulator at higher res looks better than S/V.

Also this conversation went down with Arceus at the beginning of the year already. And I don't mean a similar conversation, I mean LITERALLY the same conversation, with the exact same examples.

The textures are definitely better, but the resolution and models are worse.

Latest news I'm seeing to explain inconsistencies and help with performance is that the game has a memory leak and gets worse the longer you play it, and you need to turn your switch off an on every couple of hours.

80% of the time when I try and join a raid it says "You weren't able to Join."

Cool

Oh maybe it'll let me join if I restart my switch

Turns out the answer is no!

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Resolution is a seperate conversation from the actual art and asset quality. You can lower or raise the resolution of any game, just a matter of what the hardware can display.

Even if you don't consider that the case personally and think the 480p matters, it's still embarrasing that PS2 FFXII running in an emulator at higher res looks better than S/V.

Also this conversation went down with Arceus at the beginning of the year already. And I don't mean a similar conversation, I mean LITERALLY the same conversation, with the exact same examples.

I mean, it looks worse than a PS2 game emulated in high definition is a much different argument than it looks worse than a PS2 game. You're eliminating the hardware limitations which is the part that would be embarrassing

Like yeah Pokemon's graphic aren't very good but that argument makes no sense (also the PS2 models are worse either way)

I've spent the last hour trying to join raid battles.

I've been able to join 3.

Gamefreak why do you do this?

paperwarior posted...

Well, it happened to me after interacting with the TV in the back, and when I tried to do the same a second time, it repeated. And someone else mentioned it in this topic, I believe. Something that common probably should have been caught by the day 1 patch, given it's in the first location you ever explore in the game.

Yeah I did, here
https://twitter.com/avalamaatamazik/status/1593558396199763968
The thing is, you are right. Because it happens so early it leaves a bad first impression. If that happened to me after 10 hours of flawless gameplay, I wouldn't mind at all.

Altough to be honest this specific issue never happened to me since
Probably because there are no more houses....

Nanis23 posted...

Probably because there are no more houses....

Whaaat

KamikazePotato posted...

Whaaat

Yeah there are no more random houses to enter into
Only Sandwich shops and hair saloons and they all look the same
At least that's what I found so far

Also looks like the memory leak thing is real
Just woke up and resumed the game on my Switch and oh my god the lag is even worse than yesterday
So I quit the game and started it again and it's fine now (for now..)

Dafuq with this glitch xD

https://twitter.com/t_a_b_e_r_u/status/1593570678116323329?t=cqsHeMylCVbfm3R1RUbLTA&s=19