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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 4:59:39 PM
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in some cases it's a downgrade.

Isn't pokemon like one of the most profitable franchises in the world? Why must there always be a dexit or some kind of controversy with removed content or something

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ellis123
11/12/22 5:02:44 PM
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Because The Pokemon Company is the profitable part of the venture, the video games are just the side bit. They put their money in the parts of the franchise that make money: the toys.

As for Dexit it's because the idea of keeping everything forever is a crappy one when talking about the development side of things. There is a reason that no other monster catching series has had everything return with every game (even if only as a trade-over thing).

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Philip027
11/12/22 5:02:56 PM
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They don't care about the games because, despite the games' success, that still isn't where the vast majority of their income comes from.
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Smashingpmkns
11/12/22 5:04:43 PM
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They have 169 employees.

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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:05:12 PM
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i'm amused with them taking a step back from legends arceus' praised fast capture system where you can throw pokeballs and catch in one smooth motion, no battle music or anything.

Even Dunkey liked Arceus and he thought every pokemon game was the same thing

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EyeWontBeFooled
11/12/22 5:05:22 PM
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The TV show and movies probably get more love.

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Blue_Inigo
11/12/22 5:06:39 PM
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Who cared about Dexit in 2022 tbh

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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:08:19 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Who cared about Dexit in 2022 tbh
have you seen the scarlet/violet board

the current hot topic is the endgame, or lack thereof

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DeadBankerDream
11/12/22 5:08:32 PM
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I think Scarlet looks like an upgrade to anything since XY. Am I missing something that should make me think otherwise?

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Super_Slash
11/12/22 5:10:20 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
i'm amused with them taking a step back from legends arceus' praised fast capture system where you can throw pokeballs and catch in one smooth motion, no battle music or anything.

Even Dunkey liked Arceus and he thought every pokemon game was the same thing
So it's back to the normal method?

Also wtf is dexit
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Nemu
11/12/22 5:10:37 PM
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Gamefreak is a terrible developer. TPC doesn't give a fuck as long as money comes in. The consumers buy the product even if they're extraordinarily underwhelming compared to where they should be because they're still decent enough games. Without someone who has true pride in putting out a quality product, that'll be the state of the games forever.
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ellis123
11/12/22 5:10:37 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I think Scarlet looks like an upgrade to anything since XY. Am I missing something that should make me think otherwise?
Pokemon fans on this site have grown up and will never be happy.

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Prestoff
11/12/22 5:11:00 PM
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I mean isn't that what legend of arceus was trying to do? Granted, it isn't perfect but it certainly is the right step to putting the franchise in a different direction. I just hope they start to actually improve their visuals.

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silverpine
11/12/22 5:11:15 PM
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because they keep selling and nintendo is a very safe company. people literally defended sword/shield as good so why would they take a risk? i wish they would use a different dev and make a fresh new game tho. the 3d games are simply hideous.
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Baha05
11/12/22 5:14:54 PM
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Because ultimately at the end of the day most gamers in general will argue about downgrades for personal dislikes rather then legitimate downgrades?

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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:16:26 PM
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Prestoff posted...
I mean isn't that what legend of arceus was trying to do? Granted, it isn't perfect but it certainly is the right step to putting the franchise in a different direction. I just hope they start to actually improve their visuals.
PLA was actually a breath of fresh air to me and I enjoyed my time with it, I only wish they expanded on it with DLC because I wanted more

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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:17:17 PM
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Super_Slash posted...
So it's back to the normal method?

Also wtf is dexit
  1. (Pokmon, fandom slang) The decision by Game Freak to make the National Pokdex absent from Pokmon Sword and Shield as well as for many Pokmon to be completely unavailable in these games.



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Prestoff
11/12/22 5:19:39 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
PLA was actually a breath of fresh air to me and I enjoyed my time with it, I only wish they expanded on it with DLC because I wanted more

It's a great direction away from their typical formula. I agree when a series goes for this long, it needs a drastic change to shake things up, but I'm pretty sure GF will learn to utilize this mode better for future titles.

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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:21:53 PM
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and for the record I do have Scarlet preordered and preloaded on my switch
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/9/AAayLaAAD391.jpg

I just got disappointed with the claims that theres no endgame because Scarlet sounded really fun on paper

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:23:05 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
and for the record I do have Scarlet preordered and preloaded on my switch
<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhURQ93aEAE0_wl?format=jpg&name=large">

I just got disappointed with the claims that theres no endgame because Scarlet sounded really fun on paper
Well that is kind of the problem about leaks, you dont know what is true or not and context get muddled.

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Nemu
11/12/22 5:23:25 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
and for the record I do have Scarlet preordered and preloaded on my switch
<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhURQ93aEAE0_wl?format=jpg&name=large">

I just got disappointed with the claims that theres no endgame because Scarlet sounded really fun on paper
Right now, everything seems to be pointing to DLC-bait pretty much.
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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:26:15 PM
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Baha05 posted...
Well that is kind of the problem about leaks, you dont know what is true or not and context get muddled.
That was leaked by one of the main leakers a few months ago

and the game has been in the wild for long enough now that if it wasn't true people would have said something... like Nemu says its probably gonna be DLC-bait again. Why drop a one time $60 game when you can make $100 on it

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--Zero-
11/12/22 5:26:56 PM
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Answer- With little effort.

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:27:10 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
That was leaked by one of the main leakers a few months ago

and the game has been in the wild for long enough now that if it wasn't true people would have said something... like Nemu says its probably gonna be DLC-bait again. Why drop a one time $60 game when you can make $100 on it
You realize DLC bait or not changes nothing when it comes to rather there is Post Game content or not right?

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Blue_Inigo
11/12/22 5:27:29 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
i'm amused with them taking a step back from legends arceus' praised fast capture system where you can throw pokeballs and catch in one smooth motion, no battle music or anything.

Even Dunkey liked Arceus and he thought every pokemon game was the same thing
I think it's important to remember that these games were in development at the same time for the most part. They're not even a year apart. You're not likely to see things directly from PLA because of that. Who knows what will stay with PLA or not in the next Pokemon game.

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DarkRoast
11/12/22 5:27:49 PM
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Pokemon Legends kicked ass

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DeadBankerDream
11/12/22 5:29:08 PM
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I haven't played Legends of Arwhatever or Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu, but I feel I'd be missing something from a mainline game if it wasn't a more traditional battle to catch them rather than what I hear the system is in either of these.

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Xerun
11/12/22 5:29:23 PM
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Company slowly removes features

more people buy new game with less features

company receives gratification and acknowledgment they did good and thus think they made a good decision

repeat endlessly

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tremain07
11/12/22 5:29:36 PM
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I kinda wanna fight some of CE in this game, I'm getting Scarlet since my brother is getting Violet

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DarkRoast
11/12/22 5:30:14 PM
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I don't like that they dropped Mega Evolutions. It was a legitimately great idea, which is why they used it in two different generations.

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kuwab0
11/12/22 5:30:23 PM
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They realized they can do the bare minimum and still make money

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Nemu
11/12/22 5:30:50 PM
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Baha05 posted...
You realize DLC bait or not changes nothing when it comes to rather there is Post Game content or not right?
The point is that the DLC is going to be the post-game content. This is the first time the third legendary isn't in the base game at all, after all. More than the last game that just had two add on areas, this is going to be essential to get the full experience and context of the main game.
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Akagami_Shanks
11/12/22 5:30:53 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I haven't played Legends of Arwhatever or Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu, but I feel I'd be missing something from a mainline game if it wasn't a more traditional battle to catch them rather than what I hear the system is in either of these.
you can have it both ways in legends arceus, either spam pokeballs out of combat, or battle and weaken it

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:31:03 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
They realized they can do the bare minimum and still make money
What truly defines the bare minimum though?

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:32:07 PM
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Nemu posted...
The point is that the DLC is going to be the post-game content. This is the first time the third legendary isn't in the base game at all, after all. More than the last game that just had two add on areas, this is going to be essential to get the full experience and context of the main game.
The logically speaking this can be applied to any and all DLC. A flawed degree of logic just to make an argument that they are cutting content to resell later.

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HannibalBarca3
11/12/22 5:32:50 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises#List

Most of Pokmon earnings come from merchandise but it still earns 21b from video game sales. Still even if Pokmon was only pure merch it would still be the most profitable franchise right now, that's how much of a juggernaut it is.

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Blue_Inigo
11/12/22 5:34:30 PM
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I hope the weak post game rumors aren't true. Though to be honest, outside of remakes and redos ala B2/W2 and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, the post game of pokemon games have been all pretty weak after Gen 4. Original Black and White had nothing great. X and Y had like 3 legendaries to get. Sun and Moon had that one tournament and the Necrozma sidequest which was a bit meatier. Sword and Shield had nothing but it's battle arena and a small sidequest from what I remember.

I'm sure Scarlet and Violet will get dlc expansions like Sword and Shield did to add content

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:35:39 PM
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Hell has it been said what the games ending is based on? Since there are three different routes you can take.

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Nemu
11/12/22 5:38:53 PM
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Baha05 posted...
The logically speaking this can be applied to any and all DLC. A flawed degree of logic just to make an argument that they are cutting content to resell later.
Not really. It's a mixed bag of large stuff that clearly would not have been possible in the normal development cycle, stuff that probably would have made the cut but they put it off into DLC to make more money (which can be a good or bad thing depending on the quality of said content), cut and repackaged day one content to gouge the consumer, and minor stuff. This is definitely a case of the 2nd example, taking stuff that's a staple and packaging it under DLC. It may or may not be worth it depending on how expansive the content is, but it's definitely a bit scummy either way.
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Baha05
11/12/22 5:40:22 PM
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Nemu posted...
Not really. It's a mixed bag of large stuff that clearly would not have been possible in the normal development cycle, stuff that probably would have made the cut but they put it off into DLC to make more money (which can be a good or bad thing depending on the quality of said content), cut and repackaged day one content to gouge the consumer, and minor stuff. This is definitely a case of the 2nd example, taking stuff that's a staple and packaging it under DLC. It may or may not be worth it depending on how expansive the content is, but it's definitely a bit scummy either way.
Problem is yo have no proof of it.

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Sexypwnstar
11/12/22 5:42:40 PM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
and for the record I do have Scarlet preordered and preloaded on my switch
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/9/AAayLaAAD391.jpg

I just got disappointed with the claims that theres no endgame because Scarlet sounded really fun on paper

So you're part of the problem

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Nemu
11/12/22 5:46:55 PM
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Baha05 posted...
Problem is yo have no proof of it.
Did you miss the part where the third legendary isn't in the base game? The current endpoint is a cryptic entry describing it. As in, that's going to be the focus of at least one expansion if they do two of them again.
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ellis123
11/12/22 5:47:10 PM
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Baha05 posted...
Problem is yo have no proof of it.
That's fine. He's replying to someone with no proof either.

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:47:33 PM
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Nemu posted...
Did you miss the part where the third legendary isn't in the base game? The current endpoint is a cryptic entry describing it. As in, that's going to be the focus of at least one expansion if they do two of them again.
Even if that is the case thats not proof of much. At best its one character.

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Baha05
11/12/22 5:48:20 PM
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ellis123 posted...
That's fine. He's replying to someone with no proof either.
Which is fair but again thats a problem with gaming and gamers as a whole. Its easy to make claims but harder to produce proof from either side.

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Nemu
11/12/22 5:48:27 PM
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Baha05 posted...
Even if that is the case thats not proof of much. At best its one character.
I'm confused what you're even arguing. That's staple content that has been turned into DLC bait, which is my entire argument.
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ellis123
11/12/22 5:49:31 PM
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Nemu posted...
I'm confused what you're even arguing. That's staple content that has been turned into DLC bait, which is my entire argument.
It is "third game" content that they are selling as DLC instead of a third game.*

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kage_53
11/12/22 5:50:08 PM
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Because they know you will go out and buy them with no matter how little effort they put in.
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Baha05
11/12/22 5:50:14 PM
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Nemu posted...
I'm confused what you're even arguing. That's staple content that has been turned into DLC bait, which is my entire argument.
What I am arguing is that even with certain staples there is no hardcore proof that content is removed for the sake of DLC bait and even if you argue a third Legendary being removed for DLC that was basically just one character. There is no telling if thats even the case or how DLC will be handled which is a problem.

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