Poll of the Day > Is atheism in USA just a form of validation attention?

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Since Europeans and Japanese are less obnoxious when it comes to disbelief in god. Though Dawkins is the poster boy for atheism in USA so its debatable. But often its Americans who are very loud about it.

So i have two reasons to why that may be

1: USA is the world. People watch Hollywood movies on international level so obviously its the one place to have lot of influence on world politics
2: Religions has communities. But atheism is a disorganized community, so being louder may just be a way to feel validated.

But what do you think?

It's reactionary in nature. A reflexive response to the dominant religious culture that often fucked them or someone they know up very badly when they were younger.

Personal case in point, my family took in a girl who was thrown out of her home for wearing pants. When we gave her a place to stay, her parents accused my family of fucking her, then threatened us, her, and her cat. Said cat went missing shortly thereafter. They obviously killed it. I have a permanent scar on my face because of them. Fuck those worthless cultist creeps. The father was obviously projecting his own proclivity for abusing his children onto us. Poor Elizabeth.

*shrug* Shit like that is incredibly common. It makes people bitter, and that bitterness fuels vocal outrage, particularly because religious folks are very quick to go on and on about the moral degeneracy of others even as they abuse the shit out of their kids and toss them out on the streets.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/christian-programs-accused-of-tying-troubled-teens-to-goats-as-punishment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkIHmnOzMDM

more like not being a brainwashed sheep.

thankfully I wasn't indoctrinated and was allowed to form my own opinion

Gaawa_chan posted...

It's reactionary in nature. A reflexive response to the dominant religious culture that often f***ed them or someone they know up very badly when the they were younger.

Pretty much this. There's a dominant cultural message of "you shouldn't be atheist," so there's a dominant cultural message of "being atheist is great" in response. If there's nobody trying to tell you atheism is bad, there's little reason to say that atheism is good.

adjl posted...

Pretty much this. There's a dominant cultural message of "you shouldn't be atheist," so there's a dominant cultural message of "being atheist is great" in response. If there's nobody trying to tell you atheism is bad, there's little reason to say that atheism is good.

But in Europe there isnt mass movement on this. Its just either you believe or you dont?. So is USA kinda like middle east on religion? Almost like its governmentally run or something?. And thats why we get bad shows like Castlevania Netflix series, instead of subtle criticism of religions of better written shows. Example is Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood anime or Life of Brian movie for one example.

Cycovision91 posted...

bad shows like Castlevania Netflix

Wat

Fuck off, TC.

Cycovision91 posted...

what do you think?

I think you should stop posting

Is it virtue signaling to suck your own dick

chelsea___wtf posted...

Is it virtue signaling to suck your own dick

If only i could. God know i have tried. But i got a lover to do it for me.

Cycovision91 posted...

Since Europeans and Japanese are less obnoxious when it comes to disbelief in god. Though Dawkins is the poster boy for atheism in USA so its debatable. But often its Americans who are very loud about it.

So i have two reasons to why that may be

1: USA is the world. People watch Hollywood movies on international level so obviously its the one place to have lot of influence on world politics
2: Religions has communities. But atheism is a disorganized community, so being louder may just be a way to feel validated.

But what do you think?

"Since Europeans and Japanese are less obnoxious when it comes to disbelief in god."
Here's your first claim that has no bearing on reality. Back it up.

"Though Dawkins is the poster boy for atheism in USA so its debatable."
Sorry, what does that make debatable?

"Religions has communities. But atheism is a disorganized community, so being louder may just be a way to feel validated."
This presumes that atheists don't have communities. This is clearly refutable. Atheists are part of communities and engage with their communities.

As for your original question, it seems like a you problem, and you're insecure about hearing the perspective of others. Do you actually ever hear atheists in public? I don't. I hear constant Christian conversation as someone who deals with numerous customers in their home on a daily basis. It seems like you're extrapolating this experience from atheists that you've decided to interact with online. Quite honestly, this all seems like ideas manufactured in your own brain.

ReturnOfFa posted...

"Since Europeans and Japanese are less obnoxious when it comes to disbelief in god."
Here's your first claim that has no bearing on reality. Back it up.

"Though Dawkins is the poster boy for atheism in USA so its debatable."
Sorry, what does that make debatable?

"Religions has communities. But atheism is a disorganized community, so being louder may just be a way to feel validated."
This presumes that atheists don't have communities. This is clearly refutable. Atheists are part of communities and engage with their communities.

As for your original question, it seems like a you problem, and you're insecure about hearing the perspective of others. Do you actually ever hear atheists in public? I don't. I hear constant Christian conversation as someone who deals with numerous customers in their home on a daily basis. It seems like you're extrapolating this experience from atheists that you've decided to interact with online. Quite honestly, this all seems like ideas manufactured in your own brain.

I dont have a problem when its related to a relative valid criticism. Thats why i mentioned Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Its a little less preachy than FMA 2003 series. But in Brotherhood, Edward Elric compares flying too close to the sun as the reason, and overall has a subtle take on followers who are outcasts have nothing to lose so they will obviously find that community comforting. Aka humans are flawed.

Where in American atheist mindset its... i am better than you, often narcissism is involved there or a form of elitism.

So thats the difference, its not so much attacking the source of a problem but trying to find some validation that they are just Gods of their own in a sense.

Forgive the horrible female voice actor here "Why i watch it in japanese" there is basically few good english voice actor in FMA Brotherhood anime, Edward Elric voice actor, Roy Mustang (Even if the voice dont fit character) and King Bradley.
https://youtu.be/5vGDZ7vwcoU
https://youtu.be/ohVmr_ONMdk

I barely hear people mention atheism either in real life or in media. This really feels like you're intentionally seeking out loud atheists and then complaining about it. It's a little unhinged and you could do the same thing with any religion.

oh i forgot. Armstrong voice actor is also good english voice. But i stand corrected
https://youtu.be/5BdQunJnrEw

Cant say Ive had any experience with atheists that youve apparently had, and Ive lived in the US and Canada. Sounds like you just hate the US and project that onto random internet stereotypes and pretend every American is like that.

I dont care if you do or dont just say it instead of making these weird ass topics lmao.

Shananagainz posted...

Cant say Ive had any experience with atheists that youve apparently had, and Ive lived in the US and Canada. Sounds like you just hate the US and project that onto random internet stereotypes and pretend every American is like that.

I dont care if you do or dont just say it instead of making these weird ass topics lmao.

You kinda had to be on YouTube back in the day. But whether its a business model, because welfare isnt a thing in USA often, to get traffic for views is debatable. Afterall US politics relies on backers, so money in politics is huge there of influence. Its not like Europe or some other places where a representative for a political party means you have to be respectful and overall have rules on how to act. But in USA its just a loose canon, because backers of influence can make you say absolute ridiculous stuff. So you can say wild things and not be called out for it.

So that may be why they are so loud is my theory and also non subtle interms of the whole anti religious arguments which is just as bad as pro religious arguments in USA often, either its a bimbo or a neckbearded guy making an argument for something

Cycovision91 posted...

Japanese

Shintoism and Buddhism as belief systems don't inherently seek to missionize the world like Christianity does, for one

agesboy posted...

Shintoism and Buddhism as belief systems don't inherently seek to missionize the world like Christianity does, for one

You mean Abrahamic ones?. I guess main ones in this day is Christianity and Islam. I am pro religious freedom, though i am critical to devotion cultures of Catholicism or Sunni Islam, because i dont think they develop a society usually its just, be devoted and die. So its just pointless, its reason why Turkey got modernized once the government got secularized. Work culture of either Protestantism or Secular movements has had alot of positive things in this case.

But Buddhism and Shintoism is interesting i think.

But even then, even without religion, autocrat society or authoritarianism is the dangers. Like i dont think people who were pro Trump all did it for religious reasons, but purely autocrat danger mentality, often people who rely on despair do this kinda thing which i hope we learn from.

Autocrats are oppressive, i think we can agree whether its secular or religious that those elements are bad. But mainly objective criticism to devotion cultures is they tend to not develop all that well and is almost same as self destructive porn addiction, which may feel good but doesnt go all that deep or is even open for that matter to anything but one thing

I have a question for you, TC. How much worse would America be if there weren't "annoying atheists" trying to bring people back to Earth here and there?

*Insert video of southern pastor telling people abortion clinics are slaughterhouses*

Because religious people have ruined this country. Get off your high horse. We have people left and right forcing religion on us and yet they can't stop bitching when the delusional get the slightest bit of mockery.

Imagine how much harder it would be for Trump org to convince America the election was stolen if his audience wasn't molded from birth to believe everything that was told to them from authority without question. It destroys your mental faculties.

And btw, I only ever go off on rants these days when a poster (like you) tells me I'm annoying and to shut up. I literally never even initiate it.

Also my best friend is trans, and you probably think she's crazy or a pedophile groomer, so I don't really give a shit what you say from your high horse.

Maybe the answer is that in those countries they don't have to because the religious know their place.

Yellow posted...

I have a question for you, TC. How much worse would America be if there weren't "annoying atheists" trying to bring people back to Earth here and there?

*Insert video of southern pastor telling people abortion clinics are slaughterhouses*

Because religious people have ruined this country. Get off your high horse. We have people left and right forcing religion on us and yet they can't stop bitching when the delusional get the slightest bit of mockery.

Imagine how much harder it would be for Trump org to convince America the election was stolen if his audience wasn't molded from birth to believe everything that was told to them from authority without question. It destroys your mental faculties.

And btw, I only ever go off on rants these days when a poster (like you) tells me I'm annoying and to shut up. I literally never even initiate it.

Also my best friend is trans, and you probably think she's crazy or a pedophile groomer, so I don't really give a shit what you say from your high horse.

Maybe the answer is that in those countries they don't have to because the religious know their place.

I agree if you mean Reagen religious right from 1980s were a bunch of crazy idiots.

But the problem is really the voting system. You need representative of political party to be the main focus and not "Backers who can just pay candidates interms of the two party system of Democrat or Republican establishment", that way less obnoxious people will use backers to say stupid stuff, because it will be the focus of a party and overall be objective, and not the individual crazy people, aka thats whats exploiting the system.

What you have now is either neckbeards from atheist movement, or some bimbo from Fox News. Its not really fixing the system just by saying one is bad without doing anything to fix the system itself

I'm not doing this again.

Cycovision91 posted...

You kinda had to be on YouTube back in the day. But whether its a business model, because welfare isnt a thing in USA often, to get traffic for views is debatable. Afterall US politics relies on backers, so money in politics is huge there of influence. Its not like Europe or some other places where a representative for a political party means you have to be respectful and overall have rules on how to act. But in USA its just a loose canon, because backers of influence can make you say absolute ridiculous stuff. So you can say wild things and not be called out for it.

So that may be why they are so loud is my theory and also non subtle interms of the whole anti religious arguments which is just as bad as pro religious arguments in USA often, either its a bimbo or a neckbearded guy making an argument for something

Hmm this at least makes your perspective a little more understandable. It's true that the atheist community on youtube was quite prominent back in the day, although, my observation is that that community is a lot more fragmented now. Even back then, there was quite a split between anti-SJWs and those who found this perspective rather dogmatic in the atheist/debate youtube community, and that has only become more pronounced over time. Still, I think this is pretty insular to that online community.

Cycovision91 posted...

I agree if you mean Reagen religious right from 1980s were a bunch of crazy idiots.

But the problem is really the voting system. You need representative of political party to be the main focus and not "Backers who can just pay candidates interms of the two party system of Democrat or Republican establishment", that way less obnoxious people will use backers to say stupid stuff, because it will be the focus of a party and overall be objective, and not the individual crazy people, aka thats whats exploiting the system.

What you have now is either neckbeards from atheist movement, or some bimbo from Fox News. Its not really fixing the system just by saying one is bad without doing anything to fix the system itself

lol this disposes of like, the other 70% of people.

yeah, it shouldn't be a 2-party system, but that's kinda what happens when you have 1 party (Rep) that's completely based in Christian Conservatism. The opposition ends up being pretty status quo, but that isn't going to change until the Religious Right is completely removed from influence, because their influence is a threat.

and idk, TC's entire perspective seems more founded in spending too much time online contrasting with actually reading theory and then observing how it correlates in the real world.

yes

ReturnOfFa posted...

lol this disposes of like, the other 70% of people.

yeah, it shouldn't be a 2-party system, but that's kinda what happens when you have 1 party (Rep) that's completely based in Christian Conservatism. The opposition ends up being pretty status quo, but that isn't going to change until the Religious Right is completely removed from influence, because their influence is a threat.

There is also the phony people who lie and disinform too, to keep the political system as it is. For example people who claim to be Barry Goldwater followers, yet they also oppose abortions are the most biggest clowns in this day and age, if they knew what he thought about the religious right in the 1980s whom he hated. Think he said you cant ban abortion because it will always exist whether its banned or not, it should be a personal issue not a political issue "Which is a statement that i agree with"

Please stop making topics.

ReturnOfFa posted...

This is clearly refutable. Atheists are part of communities and engage with their communities.

But those communities do not revolve around being atheist. Yes, there are groups of atheist people that have founded churches because they still desire a community and rituals like that, but that does not include all of us.

Cacciato posted...

Please stop making topics.

this tho