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10/08/22 10:40:43 AM
#102:


I'm not a fan of the secret wars comic arcs (both the original and the hickman). but that being said, I think MCU infinity war saga/Thanos stuff is actually a bit better than the source material in a lot of ways. So I think it could be good. But they kind of need a really good movie right now, so WF is coming out right when they really need a hit.

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CassandraCain
10/08/22 11:07:43 AM
#103:


And they even took the worst story in Marvel history (One More Day) and altered it into one of the best movies of all time.

So I have faith they can make secret wars better too.

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Mr_Lasastryke
10/08/22 11:24:25 AM
#104:


infinity war and endgame have little in common with the infinity saga comics. i doubt the secret wars movie will have much to do with any of the secret wars comics either.

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FFDragon
10/08/22 11:35:06 AM
#105:


yeah thanos didn't simp for a skelly in the movies

which is actually somehow very disappointing

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 11:52:47 AM
#106:


They also made Civil War better than the comic version

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PrivateBiscuit1
10/08/22 12:21:50 PM
#107:


Age of Ultron was frame for frame identical with the comic at least.

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CassandraCain
10/08/22 12:30:12 PM
#108:


Winter Soldier too, they really brought those comic panels to life

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Johnbobb
10/08/22 12:43:07 PM
#109:


Leonhart4 posted...
They also made Civil War better than the comic version
I'd disagree with that honestly

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10/08/22 12:47:36 PM
#110:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Age of Ultron was frame for frame identical with the comic at least.
The comic for Age of Ultron is that bad?

Anyway, this was the best week for MCU content since MoM premiered.

She-Hulk felt like it hit an appropriate paced episode that just felt more whole than most of the episodes of the series so far. Charlie Cox is too good.

And Werewolf by Night is really good. As I sit here, I like it more and more. I agree - one of these a year would be amazing. Just pop a Halloween special once a year and allow them to be these "feature length" specials.


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10/08/22 12:52:22 PM
#111:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
The comic for Age of Ultron is that bad?
I was joking but the comic is actually 100 times worse than the movie.

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LinkMarioSamus
10/08/22 1:17:03 PM
#112:


Are the Disney+ shows generally more controversial than the films in Phase 4?

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10/08/22 1:19:05 PM
#113:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Are the Disney+ shows generally more controversial than the films in Phase 4?
What do you mean by controversial?

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Mr_Lasastryke
10/08/22 1:21:31 PM
#114:


ms. marvel and she-hulk got review bombed on IMDb so in that sense, yeah.

(i'm assuming that she-hulk got review bombed, at least.)

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scarletspeed7
10/08/22 1:36:36 PM
#115:


Leonhart4 posted...
They also made Civil War better than the comic version
You've never been more wrong.

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scarletspeed7
10/08/22 1:37:21 PM
#116:


Ms. Marvel got review bombed AND was also awful by the end of the show.

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 1:38:59 PM
#117:


scarletspeed7 posted...
You've never been more wrong.

Nah, I'm sure I have.

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Grimlyn
10/08/22 1:42:23 PM
#118:


Mr_Lasastryke posted...
(i'm assuming that she-hulk got review bombed, at least.)
before the first episode even debuted, yes

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10/08/22 1:46:05 PM
#119:


Leonhart4 posted...
Nah, I'm sure I have.
Not in these topics!

There was a real magic to the original Civil War, the sprawling recruitment, the espionage, the underground, street-level battles and the public reaction. Stories like Front Lines bringing news-oriented investigation alongside the week-by-week excitement of the almost point-scoring system of heroes and villains extracting punishment in the form of blood. Civil War and Infinite Crisis came out in the same year (with 52) and it was one of the biggest years in comic shops for a reason. It had all of the immediacy of event shows like LOST and 24 while maintaining really strong writing with all-star line-ups across entire companies. I don't think either company came close to their events capturing the imagination of fans at the time.

Civil War the movie is... an argument in an airport parking lot. It's the one time I think the MCU doesn't do a story concept justice in its translation. I don't usually care at all about fidelity as long as the soul is there, but the soul was NOT there.

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Grimlyn
10/08/22 1:49:34 PM
#120:


my non-MCU understanding of Civil War is just Ultimate Alliance 2

I don't really remember it so mcu wins by default

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scarletspeed7
10/08/22 1:50:12 PM
#121:


That's very different from Civil War also

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redrocket
10/08/22 1:53:01 PM
#122:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Not in these topics!

There was a real magic to the original Civil War, the sprawling recruitment, the espionage, the underground, street-level battles and the public reaction. Stories like Front Lines bringing news-oriented investigation alongside the week-by-week excitement of the almost point-scoring system of heroes and villains extracting punishment in the form of blood. Civil War and Infinite Crisis came out in the same year (with 52) and it was one of the biggest years in comic shops for a reason. It had all of the immediacy of event shows like LOST and 24 while maintaining really strong writing with all-star line-ups across entire companies. I don't think either company came close to their events capturing the imagination of fans at the time.

Civil War the movie is... an argument in an airport parking lot. It's the one time I think the MCU doesn't do a story concept justice in its translation. I don't usually care at all about fidelity as long as the soul is there, but the soul was NOT there.


Dont you think all that is a bit undermined by the pro-registration side being rather transparently villainous in the comics?

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 1:53:23 PM
#123:


Oh, the hype while Civil War was ongoing was so big that even someone like me who doesn't follow comics that closely was aware of it.

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10/08/22 1:56:47 PM
#124:


redrocket posted...
Dont you think all that is a bit undermined by the pro-registration side being rather transparently villainous in the comics?
There's nothing wrong with having a team to root for, to pull your hair out when your favorite character goes the wrong direction, when the betrayals become real or when an underdog sees the light. There are so many great steps on the way to a painful, bloody ending which combines with the Death of Captain America... it's just a tragic crescendo.

And also, if Mr. Fantastic takes a side in comics, it automatically sucks. He's the level worst. So there's no point in trying to pretend "both sides have valid arguments".

And hell, yeah, that was the craziest amount of hype I ever saw, with comics nearly becoming mainstream again. Will never happen again... but it was something to see.

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 1:58:03 PM
#126:


Stop using the word objectively to try to give your personal opinions more weight

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scarletspeed7
10/08/22 2:03:01 PM
#127:


The problem with Ulti's argument that there were clear, categorical chunks of voters who were rating the show so close to release or even before it in some places that it was clearly reviewbombing, as opposed to many of the later, spread out reviews that weren't 1s, but say 3s, 4s, 5s, 6s on IMDb. There are two groups of people who actively lambasted Ms. Marvel. One is wrong.

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Grimlyn
10/08/22 2:09:29 PM
#128:


the concensus opinion in these threads is even that Ms. Marvel really blew up its plot in the middle and it's pinned as the bottom tier D+ show

and yet we're capable of recognizing there is also an army of chuds being stupid

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 2:22:47 PM
#130:


I'm watching Rings of Power and I'll repeat my original statement

Leonhart4 posted...
Stop using the word objectively to try to give your personal opinions more weight


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Aecioo
10/08/22 2:22:56 PM
#131:


UltimaterializerX posted...
That's fair. I don't rate a show until at least after season one.

And Leon, Rings is bad.

Lol

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 2:25:34 PM
#133:


It's fine if you want to give your opinions why it's bad. That doesn't make it objective.

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Aecioo
10/08/22 2:33:50 PM
#134:


UltimaterializerX posted...
And I am clearly talking about literally rating a show on IMDB or whatever. No one likes a smartass.

wait do you actually rate shows on imdb

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scarletspeed7
10/08/22 2:36:09 PM
#135:


I do! But I mainly use it as a way to keep track of things I'm watching and find new recommendations.

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Grimlyn
10/08/22 2:38:40 PM
#136:


people like and value different things thus have different metrics for what is considered good or bad

like there are some things I can't at all fathom people enjoying on any measure and yet I know people who earnestly feel very positive about them and well whatever good for them, I also have things I like that not many other can bear

the point where you become an intolerable prick is when you push your opinions as the only valid one

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CassandraCain
10/08/22 2:51:14 PM
#137:


Think of the worst movie you've ever seen, one that is so irredeemable that you wish to erase the memory of it. There is a 100% chance that at least one person on this planet considers that to be their favorite movie.

Perspective is important.

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Maniac64
10/08/22 2:58:42 PM
#139:


scarletspeed7 posted...
And also, if Mr. Fantastic takes a side in comics, it automatically sucks. He's the level worst. So there's no point in trying to pretend "both sides have valid arguments".
Yeah one side had Captain America and the other Mr Fantastic. It was always obvious who was going to be the right side.

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LinkMarioSamus
10/08/22 3:15:32 PM
#140:


CassandraCain posted...
Think of the worst movie you've ever seen, one that is so irredeemable that you wish to erase the memory of it. There is a 100% chance that at least one person on this planet considers that to be their favorite movie.

Perspective is important.

Yeah, that's the reason I brought up She-Hulk in the previous thread. It seems like the actual movies just came and went at worst. I've probably explained my position here enough times though.

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CassandraCain
10/08/22 3:21:49 PM
#141:


You just typed out three sentences that effectively say nothing, LMS. I have no idea what you were trying to get at there.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/08/22 3:36:59 PM
#142:


HOTD > ROP but ROP still has some good stuff in it, though there are a lot of misfires.

I think I would compare my reception to ROP similar to my reception to She-Hulk, but She-Hulk asks less of my patience.

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10/08/22 4:18:50 PM
#143:


CassandraCain posted...
Think of the worst movie you've ever seen, one that is so irredeemable that you wish to erase the memory of it. There is a 100% chance that at least one person on this planet considers that to be their favorite movie

I actually doubt this is true for a lot of movies just because the same statistical argument you're using to prop up the likelihood of someone having a favorite movie undermines the idea that everyone would have a movie as their favorite, because people on average view a lot of movies

Like yes there are billions of people on earth watching movies but there is an absolute glut of movies out there so there are some obscure bad titles that are completely unlikely to be anyone's favorite.

But the basic point of objective vs subjective is true, sure.

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LinkMarioSamus
10/08/22 4:37:22 PM
#144:


CassandraCain posted...
You just typed out three sentences that effectively say nothing, LMS. I have no idea what you were trying to get at there.

I more meant that none of the Phase 4 movies have incited the heated debates something like the Star Wars sequel trilogy was subject to. I was specifically trying to dance around bringing up Star Wars because I knew I'd get ribbed for it.

Also in the previous thread, someone (Lopen I think? Don't mean to call names) was asking why Jennifer Garner kept getting cast in action movie roles in the 2000s IIRC. Almost certainly a result of hype she got from Alias.

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Lopen
10/08/22 5:32:40 PM
#145:


Alias was decent in spite of Jennifer Garner being miscast for the role. But yes it probably was that simple-- show got hype and she was front and center as a tough lead.

But man she should not have been and Elektra demanded more credibility still. Oh well.

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10/08/22 5:34:16 PM
#146:


Jenna Fischer was almost the lead in Alias but execs thought she wasn't "hot" enough so Jennifer Garner got the role instead

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10/08/22 6:56:00 PM
#147:


CassandraCain posted...
Think of the worst movie you've ever seen, one that is so irredeemable that you wish to erase the memory of it. There is a 100% chance that at least one person on this planet considers that to be their favorite movie.

Perspective is important.
Jason Goes to Hell.

A good friend of mine considers that to be his favorite movie, and I cringed when he mentioned that. Real life example!

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10/08/22 7:05:28 PM
#148:


I watched Friday movies for pretty much my first time (I think) last year

I didn't really have anything to say throughout but i did post about it when I got passed Jason Goes to Hell

[me last year]
okay so jason in manhattan was ridiculous and lame but jason goes to hell was ridiculous and fucking hilarious

tbqh it may just be the most memorable friday the 13th not counting the original... although really this franchise has been pretty generic all around so far

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10/08/22 7:09:30 PM
#149:


My worst movie of all time is probably Mortal Kombat Annihilation.

I would be somewhat surprised if anyone on earth had that as their #1 of all time when even among hardcore Mortal Kombat fans as there are two better movies, but I'm not sure I'd feel confident enough to like bet everything I own against that because it had Box Office in the tens of millions which is a lot of viewership. There are some titles I would be though because it gets easier to say with some certainty that it's no one's favorite the more obscure the title.

Like for example I would be extremely surprised if anyone thought Bloodsport IV The Dark Kumite was the greatest movie of all time as you've got a few things at work there.

1. Direct to DVD. Hardly anyone has seen it.
2. There are three better movies in the franchise, one of which is actually mainstream relevant.
3. It's awful.

But yeah. This is a huge tangent no one really asked for. Just going into factors of why I'm certain there are a non-trivial amount of movies out there that are literally no one on earth's favorite.

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Leonhart4
10/08/22 7:26:35 PM
#150:


who's the person out there with Gigli as their favorite movie

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10/08/22 7:27:55 PM
#151:


Leonhart4 posted...
who's the person out there with Gigli as their favorite movie


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