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Maze_
09/24/22 8:06:01 AM
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I thought all the games were isolated universes with the exception of Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link.

I mean wasn't Ganon a literal pig in the early games and a big bearded man in the later ones?

How does that work? Doesn't Link learn how to time travel in one of the games? Wouldn't that then effect every game?

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Irony
09/24/22 8:06:21 AM
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It doesn't work.

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Crimsoness
09/24/22 8:10:05 AM
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Maze_ posted...
How does that work?

Irony posted...
It doesn't work.


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cjsdowg
09/24/22 8:12:51 AM
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It it just some mess that Nintendo throw together . Fan time lines literally make better sense.

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VIXVLV
09/24/22 8:13:03 AM
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Nope.

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pegusus123456
09/24/22 8:16:32 AM
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Maze_ posted...


How does that work? Doesn't Link learn how to time travel in one of the games? Wouldn't that then effect every game?
Yes, it does. OoT splits the timeline into three different ones. One ventures off from the young timeline where Link went back with future knowledge to help get Ganondorf locked up before he could pull some shit. The second ventures off from the adult timeline where Ganondorf pulled some shit and was defeated by Link and Zelda. The third is the really off-the-wall one because it ventures off from a timeline where Link fuckin' died.

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Alteres
09/24/22 8:17:48 AM
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So you never played botw I take it?

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ViewtifulGrave
09/24/22 8:21:17 AM
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Irony posted...
It doesn't work.
Outside of the fallen timeline everything flows.

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Maze_
09/24/22 8:26:41 AM
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Alteres posted...
So you never played botw I take it?
No I don't have a Wii

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Big_Nabendu
09/24/22 8:36:53 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/2/AAW5a5AADtUK.jpg

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Foppe
09/24/22 8:39:43 AM
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Link's Awakening is clearly tied to Link to the Past.

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Alteres
09/24/22 8:39:49 AM
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So skyward sword is the shit timeline?

I can see it

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Zikten
09/24/22 8:40:04 AM
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Why did people feel Zelda needed a timeline but nobody cares about a Mario timeline?

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
09/24/22 8:40:31 AM
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No

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Irony
09/24/22 8:41:41 AM
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Zikten posted...
Why did people feel Zelda needed a timeline but nobody cares about a Mario timeline?
Because all the games are just stage plays

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pegusus123456
09/24/22 8:42:11 AM
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Zikten posted...
Why did people feel Zelda needed a timeline but nobody cares about a Mario timeline?
I think it's because you could kind of put a timeline on Zelda but you just obviously can't with Mario.

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Alteres
09/24/22 8:42:20 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
No
fa so la ci do

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Maze_
09/24/22 8:43:08 AM
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Big_Nabendu posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/2/AAW5a5AADtUK.jpg

Seems kinda cheating to me that "The Timeline" has 5 timelines.

I mean by that logic isn't every game in the history potentially in the same timeline as every other just different timelines? Manhunt and Spyro 2 are the same timeline they just branched off World Cup Italia 90

Zikten posted...
Why did people feel Zelda needed a timeline but nobody cares about a Mario timeline?
Because Zelda has had plots.

Mario has "Save the Princess from the Monster" since literally before it was called Mario

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COVxy
09/24/22 8:43:14 AM
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Zikten posted...
Why did people feel Zelda needed a timeline but nobody cares about a Mario timeline?

I feel like mostly nobody thought Zelda needed a timeline. You had a bunch of fans put together a fun timeline, but it wasn't something serious. Then you had like a few weirdos who got really into it. And then Nintendo validated them.

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KogaSteelfang
09/24/22 8:46:29 AM
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Maze_ posted...
I mean wasn't Ganon a literal pig in the early games and a big bearded man in the later ones?
He's a wizard that can manifest as a pig demon. In the early games he was fought in his pig form while later versions it's usually both forms.

Maze_ posted...
Doesn't Link learn how to time travel in one of the games? Wouldn't that then effect every game?
It did, I think that's made them plan out the timeline events. The time travel apparently created a 3 path split in the timeline. One where Link was successful and defeated Ganon. One where he defeats Ganon and then abandons that timeline to return to his original one. So he's absent for that timeline afterwards. Then his original timeline where he prevents Ganon from gaining power and remains an active player in events moving forward. Then an unseen 3rd timeline where Ganon won somehow.

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pegusus123456
09/24/22 8:46:40 AM
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Maze_ posted...
Seems kinda cheating to me that "The Timeline" has 5 timelines.
It's really only three. That one is a fanmade timeline that tries to incorporate Zelda Dynasty Warriors.

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EvilResident
09/24/22 8:47:24 AM
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Maze_ posted...
No I don't have a Wii
Buy a Wii U then

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Maze_
09/24/22 8:55:40 AM
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EvilResident posted...
Buy a Wii U then
I don't wanna

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Tyranthraxus
09/24/22 9:26:28 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
It it just some mess that Nintendo throw together . Fan time lines literally make better sense.
Nintendo didn't throw it together. Dark Horse did and Nintendo was like "sure whatever"

pegusus123456 posted...
Yes, it does. OoT splits the timeline into three different ones. One ventures off from the young timeline where Link went back with future knowledge to help get Ganondorf locked up before he could pull some shit. The second ventures off from the adult timeline where Ganondorf pulled some shit and was defeated by Link and Zelda. The third is the really off-the-wall one because it ventures off from a timeline where Link fuckin' died.

The thing is none of this makes any sense and it's basically just "Every Zelda game is an AU" anyway just with extra steps that serve no purpose.

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Hayame_Zero
09/24/22 9:33:32 AM
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The Zelda timeline has only made me hate fan theories more than I already did. It's basically just them grasping at straws to tie everything together, using vague connections that often aren't even present in the games.

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HornyLevel
09/24/22 9:35:04 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Nintendo didn't throw it together. Dark Horse did and Nintendo was like "sure whatever"
Aonuma had been talking about the split child and adult timelines long before Hyrule Historia. The third timeline could have been a Dark Horse invention, but even that we don't know 100%. But Nintendo definitely made the two timelines after OoT very obvious.

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pegusus123456
09/24/22 9:41:08 AM
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Yeah, the timeline splitting made sense even before the official one. Like it's pretty clear that WW and TP are both meant to be direct sequels to OoT. The backstory of WW is that the hero didn't show up to stop Ganondorf, but that's because he went back to his original timeline. The backstory of TP is that Ganondorf was going to be executed, that's probably because of Zelda and Link exposing him.

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cjsdowg
09/24/22 9:45:44 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
Aonuma had been talking about the split child and adult timelines long before Hyrule Historia. The third timeline could have been a Dark Horse invention, but even that we don't know 100%. But Nintendo definitely made the two timelines after OoT very obvious.

The defeat time line is what gets me. How is that possible. Like they need to go back and fix that some how. Like the times lines really don't matter but that one just throws everything off.

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lucariopikmin
09/24/22 9:47:27 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
Aonuma had been talking about the split child and adult timelines long before Hyrule Historia.

This and people who love to bitch about the timeline need to accept that it's been a thing for likely more than 20 years now.

"There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of the Ocarina of Time, there were two time period endings to that game. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult and he actually went back to being a child. You could actually say that the ending where he was an adult, The Wind Waker would take place 100 years after that."

Quote from an interview with Miyamoto and Aonuma in 2002.


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Tyranthraxus
09/24/22 9:49:06 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
Aonuma had been talking about the split child and adult timelines long before Hyrule Historia. The third timeline could have been a Dark Horse invention, but even that we don't know 100%. But Nintendo definitely made the two timelines after OoT very obvious.

There may be a split or whatever but that split is basically OoT > MM (child) and OoT > TP (Adult) and it stops there.

The published timeline makes zero fucking sense.

  • Adult OoT link appears in TP but somehow causes the future of Wind Waker.
  • Zero apparent repercussions of Link dying in "downfall" timeline. What the fuck is even the point of the game.
  • Breath of the Wild contains contradictory time paradox shit incompatible with all three "timelines"



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HornyLevel
09/24/22 10:04:57 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
The defeat time line is what gets me. How is that possible. Like they need to go back and fix that some how. Like the times lines really don't matter but that one just throws everything off.
It's just a way to reconcile the other games that were before they thought of any timeline and were just making Zelda games.

Tyranthraxus posted...
There may be a split or whatever but that split is basically OoT > MM (child) and OoT > TP (Adult) and it stops there.

The published timeline makes zero fucking sense.

* Adult OoT link appears in TP but somehow causes the future of Wind Waker.
* Zero apparent repercussions of Link dying in "downfall" timeline. What the fuck is even the point of the game.
* Breath of the Wild contains contradictory time paradox shit incompatible with all three "timelines"
That's not the split.

As lucariopikmin posted the quote from Aonuma, adult Link saves the world but leaves to go back to being a child in the past. Then he gets lost looking for Navi, does MM, returns and is given no real credit. Ganondorf is arrested for plotting against the king and "executed ". Then TP happens.

Meanwhile, the adult timeline has no Link since he left and Ganondorf escapes and starts destroying shit. People pray for Link to return as he was the hero that saved everybody, but nobody shows up. So they pray to the gods, who decide to flood the world and that's WW.

Aonuma also said BotW is not anywhere on the timeline and was done purposely to keep people guessing.

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Tyranthraxus
09/24/22 10:11:20 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
It's just a way to reconcile the other games that were before they thought of any timeline and were just making Zelda games.

That's not the split.

As lucariopikmin posted the quote from Aonuma, adult Link saves the world but leaves to go back to being a child in the past. Then he gets lost looking for Navi, does MM, returns and is given no real credit. Ganondorf is arrested for plotting against the king and "executed ". Then TP happens.

Meanwhile, the adult timeline has no Link since he left and Ganondorf escapes and starts destroying shit. People pray for Link to return as he was the hero that saved everybody, but nobody shows up. So they pray to the gods, who decide to flood the world and that's WW.

Aonuma also said BotW is not anywhere on the timeline and was done purposely to keep people guessing.

How does any of this address the Hero's Shade from TP or the fact that Downfall Hyrule is in better condition than Adult Hyrule?

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M-Watcher
09/24/22 10:13:18 AM
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SS > OoT > MM > TP
SS > OoT > TWW > PH > ST
SS > ALttP (> OoS/OoA) > LA > ALBW > TFH > TLoZ > AoL
SS > OoT > Unknown gap > BotW > TotK
TMC > FS > FSA

Yes, there is a timeline.
What I listed above is mostly indisputable connections you can easily gather just by playing the games (and reading manuals for the first four games).

Making further connections is where things get a little more complicated.

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HornyLevel
09/24/22 10:14:16 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
How does any of this address the Hero's Shade from TP or the fact that Downfall Hyrule is in better condition than Adult Hyrule?
I did address the Hero's Shade. That's the child Link from OoT and MM. He eventually grew up.

As I said, the downfall timeline seems more like a place to just throw stuff instead of being anything consistent. Meanwhile the other two are pretty obvious and been talked about by Nintendo for a long time.

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Tyranthraxus
09/24/22 10:25:32 AM
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No no. There aren't two links in a single timeline. One of them is just the ghost of the ancestor but it makes no sense for the shade to be part of the child timeline.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/4/AARLwzAADtVm.jpg

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lucariopikmin
09/24/22 10:33:37 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
One of them is just the ghost of the ancestor but it makes no sense for the shade to be part of the child timeline.
Why not? Shade is child Link grown up who regrets not having passed down his knowledge to anyone.

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M-Watcher
09/24/22 10:34:48 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No no. There aren't two links in a single timeline. One of them is just the ghost of the ancestor but it makes no sense for the shade to be part of the child timeline.
Why not? Link was returned to his childhood in OoT, which split the timeline. He subsequently has an adventure in Termina, goes back to Hyrule, and then grows up, has a family, and dies with regrets over not being able to pass on his techniques. He appears as a ghost to his descendant, TP Link, and teaches the techniques and passes on.

What's there to be confused about?

Of course the Hero's Shade may not necessarily be OoT Link, but there is nothing discounting TP Link having knightly ancestors.

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Tyranthraxus
09/24/22 10:35:19 AM
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lucariopikmin posted...
Why not? Shade is child Link grown up who regrets not having passed down his knowledge to anyone.

Here's the full quote.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/4/AARLwzAADtVm.jpg

If that's child link, he did the exact opposite of accepting life as the hero.

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teep_
09/24/22 10:36:27 AM
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Maze_ posted...
I thought all the games were isolated universes with the exception of Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link.
Spirit Tracks is a distant sequel to Phantom Hourglass, which is a direct sequel (with the same Link/Zelda!) to Wind Waker

Majora's Mask is a direct sequel (with the same Link!) to Ocarina of Time

Either TC is oblivious or he's trolling

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HornyLevel
09/24/22 10:36:33 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I don't think it's that. I think he's assuming the Hero's Shade is adult Link from OoT.

Tyranthraxus posted...
No no. There aren't two links in a single timeline. One of them is just the ghost of the ancestor but it makes no sense for the shade to be part of the child timeline.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/4/AARLwzAADtVm.jpg
I'm not seeing what the issue with the Hero's Shade is. The Hero's Shade is not the adult Link from OoT. He is child Link that lived a normal life after MM and grew up into the proper adult Link.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/9/AAW_B8AADtVr.jpg

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J03can
09/24/22 10:38:22 AM
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Just saying, I like this topic

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Tyranthraxus
09/24/22 10:41:58 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
I'm not seeing what the is with the Hero's Shade is. The Hero's Shade is not the adult Link from OoT. He is child Link that lived a normal life after MM and grew up into the proper adult Link.

To me, that line is saying he couldn't pass on his knowledge because he was killed. If he wasn't killed, then he lived a mundane unheroic life. Admittedly I didn't consider that it was possibly a different link entirely and not the OoT link but that doesn't seem to be the interpretation of most people either.

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ViewtifulGrave
09/24/22 1:05:56 PM
#45:


Hayame_Zero posted...
The Zelda timeline has only made me hate fan theories more than I already did. It's basically just them grasping at straws to tie everything together, using vague connections that often aren't even present in the games.
  • WW and TP both directly reference the events of OoT.
  • MM is a direct sequel to OoT
  • PH and ST are direct sequels to WW
  • SS and MC are prequels to OoT showing the creation of the Master and Four swords.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/24/22 3:47:00 PM
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apparently yes

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09/24/22 4:25:31 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
To me, that line is saying he couldn't pass on his knowledge because he was killed. If he wasn't killed, then he lived a mundane unheroic life. Admittedly I didn't consider that it was possibly a different link entirely and not the OoT link but that doesn't seem to be the interpretation of most people either.
It is the OoT Link just the one that was sent back to the past at the end of the game. He went through MM, grew up, had descendants. Because he stopped Ganondorf before he could break into the temple of time there was peace so he had no reason to pass down his skills and nobody knew he was a hero.
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Phantom_Nook
09/24/22 4:28:38 PM
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even before the official timeline was released, it was pretty obvious there was a timeline of some sort, considering how many games reference the events of a previous game.

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LinkDaLunatic
09/24/22 4:36:48 PM
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as a longtime zelda fan... as someone who plays every single game when it comes out
i do not care about timeline bullshit at all. if the story is only vague and loosely connected, that's fine
each game is and should be its own self-contained adventure, or a direct sequel of one
making references to other legends is fine, like how wind waker clearly references ocarina
some things should remain consistent, that's part of the charm of the series
the green tunic, the master sword, the triforce trio... all great. dig it. doesn't need to go deeper.
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BB_mofo
09/24/22 4:37:19 PM
#50:


Zikten posted...
Why did people feel Zelda needed a timeline but nobody cares about a Mario timeline?

IIRC Mario did have a timeline up until the early 2000s, but they retconned it by introducing Pauline to the modern games. The Mario in the Donkey Kong arcade games is the father of current Mario and Luigi. Also, the current Mario and Luigi had an ancestor named Jumpman who went to the Mushroom Kingdom and got married to a member of the royal family. They are his descendants so that means both have Mushroom Kingdom ancestry.

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