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Lopen posted...

It's easy to think you're clever without understanding

All I'm saying is that, if you plan to actually care about the "social" side of the social deduction game, then a socially-wise person would know that accusing someone of lying is aggressive. It's not the clever way to pull more information out. It's just throwing punches at that point.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Every time I come back i see lopen being a broken record about me Being a Liar?

For the sake of argument Sultan, why didn't you post anything about the shop after saying you were reading up on it?

Maybe he is humbled

Lopen posted...

See guys I can scummon Sultan super easy he's not too busy to claim if he gets a lot of votes on a lynch. Vote him without fear

Bully tactics? I guy can't even have a break at work now a days bruh...

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Did Ulti say anything about Lopen and SBell hounding me yesterday?

Sultan you can spend your time better by responding to Hans question

HanOfTheNekos posted...

For the sake of argument Sultan, why didn't you post anything about the shop after saying you were reading up on it?

Was Trying to see if their was anything useful that could be used right away or how that works since we haven't had anything like that in any game I've ever played before so it was intriguing. It was a bit distracting. But I didn't see much to comment on it since saving up money however that is earned is probably the play

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It seems Scummy to me for Ulti to avoid commenting on that whole debacle.

Sultan, what are your thoughts on Corrik, Hb, chang, Ctes, and Death?

Here is why Ulti is Roshan

- Keeping his head down. Survival tech 101. Ulti as town or scum has more flair.
- Roshan detects invisible units. Ulti wanted to confirm himself town with this ability as it is unique. He decided faking it as an item would be best because no hero can do that
- He probably had another item in mind to fake than the observer ward that he was going to counter Kirby with and that's why he hinted it, but with sentry ward in the game jumped at the ability to tie himself to town things because survival is paramount. I also think he only thought Kirby being lynched would make him look good if Kirby was scum and he probably got some doubts.
- Roshan detecting invisible units means He would be able to kill a sentry ward for gold, which fits.

Ask Ulti to give his observer ward to anyone in the game. He probably won't be able to.

Take all the meta away and you still have a very clear picture of Ulti going for survival and little else. Third party for sure.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's not the clever way to pull more information out. It's just throwing punches at that point

I pulled information out by backing off and letting him play the game unheralded for hours.

He chose to go back to idling as he did before I pressured him.

I'm not calling him a liar to bait him into burying himself more I'm calling him a liar because evidence suggests it and I want to convince others he is, or have them bury themselves by pretending to get worked up and swearing at me.

Unharassed not unheralded. Stupid autocorrect

Lopen after all that Corrik talk I hope you are not fully serious there

Lopen posted...

Unharassed not unheralded. Stupid autocorrect

How poetic though.

Also how do you deal with Sultans 'excuses' for not posting much, Lopen?

htaeD posted...

Lopen after all that Corrik talk I hope you are not fully serious there

What Corrik talk. This is much better than his dumb cult leader theory.

Ulti is Roshan due to how he's been playing the game. Kirby being cult leader doesn't fit how he's been playing the game.

But no interest in lynching him.

htaeD posted...

Also how do you deal with Sultans 'excuses' for not posting much, Lopen?

I notice there's a pattern where he constantly has time to play when he's put to the flame.

At some point you have to think he's faking it and it's not just a coincidence that I can pressure him every time he has time to play.

The theory is better but still shaky.. but thats indeed a concern for later.

I will give HB this. He didnt go after Sultan when the chance presented itself. Though that would look worse for him if Sultan is scum.

Poppy also reminded me of this post Sultan made.

Wow what a catch you guys, Kirby care to exsplain this?

I let it go at the time, but I dont know why when even now I still think it sounds so fake.
Just wanted to know what others thought of that post, since nobody commented on it at the time or when Poppy repeated it.

I read that the same way, Death.

Lopen posted...

I notice there's a pattern where he constantly has time to play when he's put to the flame.

At some point you have to think he's faking it and it's not just a coincidence that I can pressure him every time he has time to play.

Ehhhh, I'd argue he sometimes shows up when he does get singed.. you did "scummon" him last evening and all.

Common sense and general experience dictates that people will dedicate more time to the game of Mafia when they are being accused, regardless of alignment.

I have scummoned him 3 times so far

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Common sense and general experience dictates that people will dedicate more time to the game of Mafia when they are being accused, regardless of alignment.

When it's basically 0 time when not accues it's suspicious though

Sure.

Lea posted...

I devote the most time to mafia when I'm not being accused because then I can just shit post and pad out the post count of the game so that people come in and say "aw man I can't believe how many posts there are I quit"

Hehehe

But back to business

Lopen

Sultan I'm begging ya

You supposedly caught up yesterday. Post stream of consciousness about literally anything you remember standing out to you.

I know this seems like Lopen just trying to get me to try harder but it also screams he knows I'm town?

I'd like a response to this.

Dearest Sultan,

Is you a scumboi?

Sincerely,
Sbell

htaeD posted...

I'd like a response to this.

From me?

I don't know why I'd call someone town who I said "supposedly caught up"

Tl;dr it doesn't scream that.

That was "baiting content" as Han said btw.

Scum Sultan would thrash and fake thoughts about things

I am not sure if it was successful or he would have done it either way but I don't think he. In particular the post I quoted early this topic seemed real bad to me

I don't think he looked good this morning that is meant to say. Sorry rapid posting on mobile during busy work day.

Damn it's hard to be caught up, but I'm there now.

First of all, almost everyone has checked and still very few people answered this.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Question that I'd love for everyone to answer (perhaps except for the two in question because that's useless info). Assume you know for certain that there's scum in Lea/Kirby, who do you think it is? Both is a valid answer. Neither is of course not.

Lopen posted...

The gist of what I'm seeing ctes is you thought I believed Kirby too easily

I would highly recommend rereading the end of last topic and start of this one and note my posts if you truly believe I didn't think about it

You seemed to enjoy the ultimate miller thing easily once you had finally gotten all the details you asked for which made you switch from voting on Kirby to thinking he must be town with the reasoning that the claim was so ridiculously anti town that it must be town, basically. It's not that I'm saying you didn't think about it as much as I'm not understanding the line of thought. Also you said you'd look at who attacked the so called easy target Kirby the most when that was ironically yourself.

Alright, time to look back at some of the stuff.

What are the odds that Sultan is Scum and Scum told Scum Poppy to gun for him out of the gate to look good?

Kirby321 posted...

Sultan, what are your thoughts on Corrik, Hb, chang, Ctes, and Death?

Back really quick before leaving to another visit with a client.

Corrik I feel thought he had something amd really digged into it. His backing out of it is a bit interesting, he has also had some other questionable plays mostly involving interactions with MZero.
Liked his 3rd party thoughts on you a bit as well

HB I felt was very one tracked mind. I think HB is a decent lynch but at the same time could be a bit of just a time zone crutch. Id like to hear a bit. More before saying 100% scum but right now leaning that way

Chang made some okay points but also hasn't seemed to commit to anything. Chang seems to be a hanging low option here

Ctes and Death I think are fine. I have liked death a decent bit this game compared to games in the past. Death has been pretty active compared to death scum games.

Ctes I think has given some in depth thoughts earlier in the day. I do admit it to me looking back to realize it was ctes idk if it was an overlook or what but thoughts on Kirby or Lea I kind of agree with. One of you is scum or maybe 3rd party but not sure who yet. Was thinking you Kirby Obviously but alot of big gut play would have to go into it. Wouldn't look past it.

Looking more changs way is probably not a horrible idea. I have a feeling Chang posts his hey dont lynch me chart regardless of role now.

Ah right I saw that and forgot to get to it, sorry.
Though in truth I dont feel like this is a binary choice. Lea and Kirby could both be town still in my eyes.

So keep that in mind as I answer the hypothetical and say I'd like Lea more as town

Who started saying Ultimate Miller anyway?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

HB I felt was very one tracked mind. I think HB is a decent lynch but at the same time could be a bit of just a time zone crutch. Id like to hear a bit. More before saying 100% scum but right now leaning that way

so wishy-washy

Obellisk posted...

so wishy-washy

I mean as is my read on HB

Actually does that even make sense. More it could go either way with if he is scum or just one tracked town.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I mean as is my read on HB

I just think you should commit. And not just on hb. I mean it in general. Commit to a lynch.

htaeD posted...

Who started saying Ultimate Miller anyway?

Lopen, called it effective miller first, ultimate next post he made.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Lopen, called it effective miller first, ultimate next post he made.

Ultimamillerizer.

I don't want to answer your question as I have strong town reads on both and it's pointless exercise.

Anyway if you want me to elaborate on why I think Kirby is town

As a scum claim I don't think he has so many holes in understanding the nuance of his role-- he would have had the details of a planned fakeclaim ironed out well before making it, which is why I asked for so many details and him simply not knowing the answers felt more townish. I also felt that a Miller existing that not only has a Miller counter in the setup, a weird flavor name, and an anti-town ability, that sounded like the kind of Miller I'd put in a game.

I had the theory before you (speaking to ctes) said it out loud but wanted to see how others were taking it rather than clouding the waters, as he seemed like such an easy trap lynch that I knew some scum (Corrik and hb) would probably overextend to drive the lynch home and I was hoping a town member would come to the conclusion it was a trap role too.

So my questions were to help me determine that-- you didn't see the evolution of my thoughts cause I felt no need to narrate them but that's why I asked him a lot of mechanic questions.

Also removing the claim from the picture I think Kirby has had a townish vibe. Which does matter.

Lopen posted...

Also removing the claim from the picture I think Kirby has had a townish vibe. Which does matter.

I agree with this statement.

hb didn't respond to my vibe question

I'm still waiting on Corrik to answer my question

Kirby321 posted...

I could have been lying about the host correspondence stuff. You said the same thing yourself. What changed your mind?

You say I can't be scum with Lea, Ulti, and... someone else. I can't remember. But why? What makes you think Lea and I can't be scumbuddies, or that Ulti and I didn't just make up some theatrics together to appear convincing?