Board 8 > Could Donkey Kong defeat Wario in a fight?

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rwlh
08/31/22 4:45:54 PM
#1:


Arguments for Wario:
  • he's consistently in the heavy class of Mario universe characters, alongside DK
  • he has a wide variety of moves and powersets to pull from, some of which give him extra damage and mobility
  • if he sees DK's banana hoard, he's going to want it too, and nothing motivates Wario more than greed!


Arguments for DK:
  • he won narrowly against Bowser in an earlier topic...would you take Wario > Bowser? Maybe you would!
  • he's in the heavyweight class too, sure, but he seems to be ranked a bit higher on the scale than Wario
  • if DK shoots Wario, it's gonna hurt


Last topic DK made puny human go smush, as he's got a habit of doing; no amount of Max's time rewind was enough to overcome the power deficit. Today, a potentially more interesting match. These two are part of the same metaseries and are frequently in the same weight class; they're former antagonists to Mario who've gone on to star in successful spinoff series; and they, at least to some extent, are motivated by greed! But as far as I know, they've never faced each other directly in combat...so let's fix that. Who wins this clash of the Mario heavyweights?

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MMXcalibur
08/31/22 4:56:52 PM
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"Wario Land 2" Wario?

Nah, dude's indestructible.

Wario wins.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/31/22 5:00:47 PM
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DK wins.

Wario is a strong, durable human... but he doesn't pack the same punch that DK does. Like if Wario charged DK on his motorbike he'd probably get punched off of it, a one-hit KO. I don't see a way for Wario to win this without some kind of special powers.

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Kamekguy
08/31/22 5:14:36 PM
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Wario has the better strength feat against a living opponent - Dino Mighty from Wario World's a good deal larger than the biggest baddy DK's tossed around with his bare hands, that being the Ghastly King from Jungle Beat. He's also very much more durable, even taking pure indestructibility out of it, he tried to blow himself up and just sort of mildly inconvenienced himself.

https://youtu.be/_g-NLYOSPjk

However, the issue is that Wario... kind of sucks as a fighter? Like he's a fantastic wallbreaker, you put him up against an armored knight and he takes the sword to the face, then punches them into next week. But from a technical sense, Wario is a pure street brawler who relies on being able to take a hit in order to land an even better one. DK... is gonna land the better hit from a pure force perspective, enough to blow Wario away more likely than not. The question is less "can DK beat Wario" and is more "can DK hit Wario away enough times that Wario gets bored and leaves?" Because Wario doesn't really have a super to close this out with - the waft only really has Smash to go off of, Wario-Man's greatest actual feat is losing to a steam train, and in general Wario is a "throw the magic back at the genie/clown-god/ancient spirit" kind of guy.

I think DK would eventually defeat Wario via forfeit. But if it comes to "they fight to the death in an enclosed arena that neither of them can break", then nah, Wario wins via simply being too stubborn to kill with blunt force. Might get knocked unconscious if that counts, though.

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LiquidOshawott
08/31/22 5:21:42 PM
#5:


Wario gets enough power ups that I think its easy for him to get one with a good matchup on DK

Like I think Jet Wario probably crushes him

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Leonhart4
08/31/22 5:22:50 PM
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Wario lands a perfectly timed fart for the KO

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Dark_Young_Link
08/31/22 5:46:14 PM
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rwlh posted...
if he sees DK's banana hoard, he's going to want it too, and nothing motivates Wario more than greed!

If this happens this seals it for a DK victory imo. DK is already a challenging foe, stealing his banana hoard would cause him to be out for blood.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/31/22 8:09:37 PM
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Kamekguy posted...
Wario is a "throw the magic back at the genie/clown-god/ancient spirit" kind of guy.

Too be fair that is how Mario beats Donkey Kong in the Mario vs Donkey Kong games.

https://youtu.be/CCXnZBU6dPg?t=11

Wario's even better at throwing since he can angle his throws and chuck stuff harder than Mario can. He can catch DK's barrels and coconuts back at him (or eat them and charge a super waft that way)

I think Wario wins regardless. While DK packs more punch Wario is no slouch himself and is more durable than DK, and Wario can eat random stuff to recover energy like coconuts and barrels during the fight. Wario is also the smarter, or at least the more crafty of the two and is more willing to fight dirty than DK. And has more tools at his disposable like the hats from Wario Land 1/Virtual Boy and transformations from Land 2/3/4, the disguises from Master of Disguise.

Also fun fact in the original pitch for Donkey Kong Country Wario was going to be the main villain before they made King K. Rool and the plot was that Wario came from the future, turned Mario to stone with stolen technology and DK has to get the tech from Wario to turn Mario back.

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StealThisSheen
08/31/22 8:15:09 PM
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
Also fun fact in the original pitch for Donkey Kong Country Wario was going to be the main villain before they made King K. Rool and the plot was that Wario came from the future, turned Mario to stone with stolen technology and DK has to get the tech from Wario to turn Mario back.

Which clearly means that DK, as the protagonist, was going to beat Wario.

You heard it here first, official confirmation from Nintendo that DK wins.

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Leonhart4
08/31/22 8:22:36 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Which clearly means that DK, as the protagonist, was going to beat Wario.

You heard it here first, official confirmation from Nintendo that DK wins.

Or Nintendo realized nobody would buy it so they had to change their plans

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
08/31/22 8:27:41 PM
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But it was Nintendo themselves that told Rare not to use Wario and make up their own villains.

https://twitter.com/Ghoulyboy/status/1176830620137377792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Besides being the main character doesn't mean Donkey Kong automatically wins, K. Rool has kidnapped him twice (4 times if we count the Land games on Game Boy Color) and it took all 5 Kongs to take him down ( 7 if you count Candy distracting him and Funky) so I don't think Donkey has a canon 1-on-1 win on K. Rool anyway since Diddy helped him in DKC 1.

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-hotdogturtle--
08/31/22 8:41:03 PM
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rwlh posted...
if DK shoots Wario, it's gonna hurt
This is even debatable. I think that Wario could take a coconut shot better than anyone else from this topic series so far.

This is an interesting matchup and I'm looking forward to reading both sides' arguments. But my gut says Wario. He has stamina to take heavy hits and in some cases power ups coming from them, and as a "video game human" has physical strength rivaling DK's.

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LiquidOshawott
08/31/22 8:47:51 PM
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I think they realized Wario fits better as an anti hero after the original Wario Land

when are they re releasing them

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rwlh
08/31/22 9:33:07 PM
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Kamekguy posted...
I think DK would eventually defeat Wario via forfeit. But if it comes to "they fight to the death in an enclosed arena that neither of them can break", then nah, Wario wins via simply being too stubborn to kill with blunt force. Might get knocked unconscious if that counts, though.

I would say unconsciousness counts as a victory.
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-hotdogturtle--
08/31/22 9:41:22 PM
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Kamekguy posted...
"they fight to the death in an enclosed arena that neither of them can break"
They had these in Wario World.

Wario won all of them (obviously), and that was one of the few games where he actually had a health bar.

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NFUN
08/31/22 10:22:15 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SKNn7WkaY

looks like it's DONK

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rwlh
09/01/22 6:13:03 PM
#17:


let's give this a BUMP
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rwlh
09/01/22 8:58:03 PM
#18:


Dang, I thought this one would get a lot of discussion. :(
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Lopen
09/01/22 9:19:38 PM
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These two stalemate for a long time. Neither one can do a lot of damage to the other.

Wario is probably smart enough to outwit DK eventually and has a lot of random powerups as tools so I think he wins at some point.

It might take quite a while.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/01/22 9:47:19 PM
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Lopen posted...
Neither one can do a lot of damage to the other.


I wouldn't say that. Donkey Kong sure as heck does not like to be electrocuted.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/8/9/AADoKzAADoMx.jpg

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swirIdude
09/01/22 9:48:23 PM
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Wario wins this and tells DK to have a rotten day.

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GANON1025
09/01/22 10:11:49 PM
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Wario!

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TomNook
09/01/22 10:12:49 PM
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Wario. He could outstink DK.

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Lopen
09/01/22 10:27:04 PM
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
I wouldn't say that. Donkey Kong sure as heck does not like to be electrocuted.

Well without Wario powerups I meant but yeah

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Kamekguy
09/01/22 10:56:12 PM
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Oh if we're just tossing in one-off power-ups.

Like, DK's unique power is just straight up invincibility in DK64.

That's gonna run through most of Wario's lose-in-a-hit power-ups in short order. Even his projectile power-ups are pretty short range. Additionally, DK's been able to call and repel lightning.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/01/22 11:56:45 PM
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It says in the first post Wario is allowed to use his powers though.

rwlh posted...
he has a wide variety of moves and powersets to pull from, some of which give him extra damage and mobility


If Donkey Kong can use his invincibility then Wario can use Vampire Wario which is also invincible unless DK can get him into light or water somehow.

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Kamekguy
09/01/22 11:58:53 PM
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DK's implied to have his coconut gun, which is from the same title as Strong Kong.

Unless you'd like to argue that Wario just keeps a vampire bat in his back pocket explicitly to transform him into a vampire. Which, admittedly, is funny and would be on-brand for Wario.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/02/22 12:07:59 AM
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Invincibility powerups are usually banned in these fights, well unless Wario can cause Donkey Kong to fall into a bottomless pit which is possible with his earth shake punch as well.

Wario can also use Dr. Mario's Megavitamins to turn into Vampire Wario as well. Though yeah he could bring random animals with him, intentionally or unintentionally. He does have cockroaches crawl into his nose when he sleeps and get on his brain after all.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/4/AADoKzAADoOa.jpg

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Zylothewolf
09/02/22 2:22:48 AM
#30:


Leonhart4 posted...
Wario lands a perfectly timed fart for the KO


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rwlh
09/02/22 10:08:51 AM
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waaaahhhh
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Raka_Putra
09/02/22 10:21:38 AM
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If it operates with Wario series' sense of wacky hijinks Wario would win quite handily.

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Crescent-Moon
09/02/22 10:50:45 AM
#33:


Kamekguy posted...
DK's implied to have his coconut gun, which is from the same title as Strong Kong.

Unless you'd like to argue that Wario just keeps a vampire bat in his back pocket explicitly to transform him into a vampire. Which, admittedly, is funny and would be on-brand for Wario.
Wario would likely have access to all sorts of power ups that he can pull from... "Somewhere"

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Kamekguy
09/02/22 11:16:33 AM
#34:


Excuse me, if we are claiming that you need ample storage to pull powers from.

DK is no slouch.

https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/b/bd/Donkey_Kong_-_Back_Art_-_Donkey_Kong_Country.png

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PrinceReva
09/02/22 12:02:18 PM
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Isn't this why they're both in SSBU? Can't they SETTLE IT IN SMASH!?

But honestly, despite Wario's described "Herculean Strength" I'd still give the nod to DK. His coconut gun can fire in bursts.

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rwlh
09/02/22 3:03:42 PM
#36:


Next topic will be number 25 :O

Anyone have any opponents that would make for good milestones?

EDIT: never mind, there's an old nomination that's perfect
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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/02/22 3:46:17 PM
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I nominate Princess Peach if she hasn't been done yet.

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swirIdude
09/02/22 9:13:34 PM
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Nominate Ratchet and/or Clank

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Leonhart4
09/02/22 9:57:40 PM
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Ratchet would be a slaughter with all the weapons at his disposal

Clank would be a bit more debatable at least

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