Board 8 > Important sandwich definition debate.

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I know that sandwich definition debates were a meme like seven years ago, but this has come up again for me. The crux of the argument is over whether or not hotdogs count as sandwiches. Regardless of whether or not you accept this as accurate, just accepting for the sake of argument that it is, does this make tacos sandwiches? Furthermore, if you took a pizza and folded it, would the pizza then become a sandwich for as long as it's folded?

And does a sandwich have to include bread, or does a hamburger where the bread is replaced with chicken meat (which does exist) count as a sandwich? Because Oreos aren't made of bread, but I think they absolutely count as sandwiches.

The problem here is that if hotdogs count as sandwiches despite not having two disconnected wrapping layers, and only one rounded wrapping layer, and if you don't need bread to be a sandwich, then do sushi rolls also count as sandwiches? What about a simple salmon nigiri, where the salmon part wraps around the short ends but not the long ends, but does technically cover either side?

people who are into having this debate are also REALLY into having debates about whether or not die hard is a christmas movie

y'all cheugy

The word sandwich refers to a shared understanding that humans have regarding a type of food and what it contains.

Whether a food is a sandwich or not depends on if that shared understanding is helpfully conveyed by the word sandwich

you can't have rich in a sandwich that's what I always say to the sushi

colliding posted...

people who are into having this debate are also REALLY into having debates about whether or not die hard is a christmas movie

y'all cheugy

I have never argued about this ever, though I'm aware of the debate.

if sushi is a sandwich then it's reasonable to count pies as sandwiches

masterplum posted...

The word sandwich refers to a shared understanding that humans have regarding a type of food and what it contains.

Whether a food is a sandwich or not depends on if that shared understanding is helpfully conveyed by the word sandwich

plum nailed it 100%

Subs are sandwiches and many subs dont have disconnected bread so random distinctions like that are pretty pointless.

an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.

From the Oxford dictionary. You're welcome.

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I define sandwiches as 2 pieces of bread or similar substance with a filling in between it. So rolls/buns can count, oreos no.

Important eh?

most_games_r_ok posted...

I define sandwiches as 2 pieces of bread or similar substance with a filling in between it. So rolls/buns can count, oreos no.

But rolls and buns are rolls and buns. Not sandwiches.

Burgers aren't sandwiches either, they are burgers.

You can sandwich (verb) something between two other things, but that doesn't make it a sandwich.

Sandwiches are 2 pieces of bread with a substance inbetween

Cavedweller2000 posted...

But rolls and buns are rolls and buns. Not sandwiches.

Burgers aren't sandwiches either, they are burgers.

You can sandwich (verb) something between two other things, but that doesn't make it a sandwich.

Sandwiches are 2 pieces of bread with a substance inbetween

Sounds like a burger

You replace beef with chicken and it becomes a chicken sandwich, not a chicken burger

masterplum posted...

The word sandwich refers to a shared understanding that humans have regarding a type of food and what it contains.

Whether a food is a sandwich or not depends on if that shared understanding is helpfully conveyed by the word sandwich

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Aren't Oreos considered sandwich cookies?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80133043

leaning more and more towards 'definitely not'

Hot dogs are called hot dogs regardless if they are in a bun or not

Cavedweller2000 posted...

But rolls and buns are rolls and buns. Not sandwiches.

I'm confused with this line. Sliced bread are sliced bread not sandwiches until you put something inbetween, which is what the person said.

Also rolls and buns don't make it into a burger (though I'd argue they are required to be a burger). For example if I make a peanut butter and jam sandwich in a bun it doesn't become a burger.

Doesnt one of the fast food places sell a burger on Texas toast?

charmander6000 posted...

I'm confused with this line. Sliced bread are sliced bread not sandwiches until you put something inbetween, which is what the person said.

Also rolls and buns don't make it into a burger (though I'd argue they are required to be a burger). For example if I make a peanut butter and jam sandwich in a bun it doesn't become a burger.

I may have misworded it. What I meant to say is that if I put chicken between two slices of bread (and by that i mean reversible bread, bread that can be buttered either side), that would be a chicken sandwich. If it put chicken in a roll, it would be a chicken roll. At least where I'm from in the UK. Burgers are burgers regardless of whether it is in a roll or by itself

Cavedweller2000 posted...

I may have misworded it. What I meant to say is that if I put chicken between two slices of bread (and by that i mean reversible bread, bread that can be buttered either side), that would be a chicken sandwich. If it put chicken in a roll, it would be a chicken roll. At least where I'm from in the UK. Burgers are burgers regardless of whether it is in a roll or by itself

Based on actual fast food chains in the US at least, chicken on a bun is definitely a sandwich.

It feels like semantics to say it's not a sandwich because of the type of bread used when by every other metric that's a sandwich

Leonhart4 posted...

It feels like semantics to say it's not a sandwich because of the type of bread used when by every other metric that's a sandwich

...this whole argument is semantics!

MZero posted...

...this whole argument is semantics!

The point is that it doesn't need to be. The definition of a sandwich is pretty simple, but people are trying to make it complicated for no real reason.

Leonhart4 posted...

The point is that it doesn't need to be. The definition of a sandwich is pretty simple, but people are trying to make it complicated for no real reason.

It really isn't. It isn't any more simple than saying the definition of humor is simple. It is very much of a "I know it when I see it" thing because humans aren't robots that require 7/10 attributes to be true in order for something to be labeled as a sandwich

• A sub is a sandwich. If I was talking to a non native speaker who had no idea what a sub was, then a sandwich would help explain it.
• An ice cream sandwich is a sandwich. If I was talking to a non native speaker who had no idea what am ice cream sandwich was, then a knowledge of ice cream and sandwich would help explain it.
• A Hotdog, Taco, whatever the hell is not a sandwich. If I was talking to a non native speaker who had no idea what a Hotdog,Taco, etc was, then a sandwich would not help explain it.

https://static.existentialcomics.com/comics/hotdogSandwich2.png

Wait, did somebody say that burgers don't count as sandwiches purely because of the type of bread they use?

-hotdogturtle-- posted...

Wait, did somebody say that burgers don't count as sandwiches purely because of the type of bread they use?

If there was sliced bread and a burger roll in front of you and I asked you to pass me the bread, would you ask for clarification?

Cavedweller2000 posted...

If there was sliced bread and a burger roll in front of you and I asked you to pass me the bread, would you ask for clarification?

considering they're both bread, probably

What makes a bun not count as bread? Just because the traditional "top" and "bottom" halves aren't both the same shape? If you put deli meats and cheese on a "hamburger bun" does that not count as a sandwich anymore?

Then it must be a US vs UK thing. I sometimes need to remember that some things are different and when they are, I'm in the minority lol

It sound like the type of protein has a lot to do with the sandwich determination.

...Also The Sandwich Determination would be an amazing band name...

Knew I saw this topic before

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/80123186

I think all sandwiches are hotdogs. A grilled cheese sandwich is a cheese-no-dog hotdog.

Maybe some game board posters are alright.

Cavedweller2000 posted...

If there was sliced bread and a burger roll in front of you and I asked you to pass me the bread, would you ask for clarification?

if I was making peanut butter and jelly and there was rye bread and white bread in front of you and I asked you to pass me the bread, would you ask for clarification?

masterplum posted...

A sub is a sandwich.

masterplum posted...

A Hotdog ... is not a sandwich.

What makes, say, a meatball sub different from a hotdog?

StealThisSheen posted...

What makes, say, a meatball sub different from a hotdog?

If I asked someone holding a meatball sub for a bite of their sandwich they wouldn't be confused

masterplum posted...

If I asked someone holding a meatball sub for a bite of their sandwich they wouldn't be confused

I mean if I'm holding a hot dog I'm going to know from context what they mean, so if there is no actual difference than it seems kinda silly to have such a hardline opinion.

Especially since by recent polls, most Americans do, in fact, believe a hot dog is a sandwich.

Though let's ignore meatball subs.

An italian sausage is called a "sandwich" when it is about as close to the same thing as possible.

The hang up people tend to have for hot dogs, I assume, is because we just lazily call it a "hot dog" whether it's in a bun or not. A hamburger without a bun people seem willing to call a "patty," but call it a sandwich on a bun. People don't seem willing to take that logic step with a hot dog. Or, atleast, didn't. People seem to be coming around to the idea more and more every year.

Ultimately, the context matters. Under no circumstances would somebody understand what you mean if you're holding a salad and they ask for a bite of your sandwich, but I'd think a majority would get what you mean if you're holding a hot dog.

StealThisSheen posted...

An italian sausage is called a "sandwich" when it is about as literally the same thing as possible.

I have never heard anyone call that a sandwich, and I would be confused if someone asked for a sandwich and wanted one of those

masterplum posted...

I have never heard anyone call that a sandwich, and I would be confused if someone asked for a sandwich and wanted one of those

It is very, very common for it to be called an "italian sausage sandwich" or "sausage sandwich" or whatever when it's on a bun, to differentiate from just... sausage not on a bun.

Yep, didn't Costco used to sell a Sausage Sandwich at their Food Court?

Thats a pretty good argument for a hot dog also being a sandwich, despite the fact that we tend to drop that word when referring to one.

Why has no one actually thought to contact the foremost expert on this subject for his opinion?

https://members.parliament.uk/member/2109/contact

The secret is that sandwich is a verb. A food needs to be sandwiched to be a sandwich, along with the other requirements. Tacos and sushi are obviously not sandwiched (even soft tacos - those just loosely wrap the concents).

And "hot dog" is generally short for "hot dog sandwich". The hot dog by itself has nothing to do with bread.