Current Events > Florida is going to have military veterans replace teachers

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKiLfH3DVGc&ab_channel=ThingsICantFindOtherwise

hockeybub89 posted...

So fuck poor people getting educations huh?

Again, how is this any different from right now?
There's pretty decent public schools, in the suburbs where people actually support them want to support them.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Public [anything] will always be the worst option, except maybe nudity.

Shouldn't this be undergirded by the idea that private alternatives are in shorter supply and can charge more and as a result have more resources? If there were only private options I honestly don't see the situation being that much better. There would be a lower floor of quality because there wouldn't be a free option.

There would just be budget options that would be the new public school. Literally nothing would change.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Again, how is this any different from right now?
There's pretty decent public schools, in the suburbs where people actually support them want to support them.

Being serious this time, not true, at least in my experiences in Florida. Even the decent public schools were being eroded as far back as ten years ago. There was a huge push for charter schools, and a big wall to expanding and fixing public schools. My last year of high school my school was over capacity by 800 students, and understaffed because a lot of the older teachers saw the writing on the wall and got the fuck out before they drowned. This was in the suburbs.

The people are not supporting these schools. They keep voting for the same people who keep eroding them.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

If there were only private options I honestly don't see the situation being that much better.

There'd be cheap but less good options, if they aren't regulated out of existence by good intentions or plain old regulatory capture.

Republicans/the right want people to remain uneducated, because educated people typically do not vote Republican. And theres a good reason they dont.

Questionmarktarius posted...

There'd be cheap but less good options, if they aren't regulated out of existence by good intentions or plain old regulatory capture.

So what is the point of making it capitalist if it just has the same result?

MedeaLysistrata posted...

So what is the point of making it capitalist if it just has the same result?

Yes, exactly.
In either case it has to be wanted by the people ultimately paying for it, or it will eventually become extinct. This is true of essentially anything, in any economic system.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Yes, exactly.
In either case it has to be wanted by the people ultimately paying for it, or it will eventually become extinct. This is true of essentially anything, in any economic system.

Idk. Either way re:the op, just having a BA is a ridiculous qualification for a teacher.

I get this has likely been in the pipeline for a while, but GOP literally had bad press with vets last week.

They still have to have some completed course work on thier way to a degree it's not just any unqualified vet

1st grade should be fun.

https://youtu.be/BE1HriDzlJs

MistyKnight posted...

They still have to have some completed course work on thier way to a degree it's not just any unqualified vet

Did they complete a teaching degree? Doesnt matter if they have some math knowledge, they arent qualified to teach if they dont have a teaching degree

Just when you thought Florida couldnt become more of a joke than it already is

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Did they complete a teaching degree? Doesnt matter if they have some math knowledge, they arent qualified to teach if they dont have a teaching degree

Right but it's not AS BAD as it could be.

MistyKnight posted...

Right but it's not AS BAD as it could be.

Bruh, anyone who has seen the exceedingly low standards the Florida education system has for teachers knows this isn't a consolation lol

Also... "Congrats, vets, we've got a ton of stressful underpaid jobs for ya that no one else wants to do. Remember, your country needs you!"

How long until they replace school with boot camp? And in their off time instead of entertainment they get mandatory church instead

hopefully they dont have ptsd and go crazy sheesh this is gonna go horribly bad

STOP DROP AND ROLL MAGGOT.

*6 year old cries and pees pants*

Vegy posted...

What if dey have a ptsd episode or something?

Dose school bells can be scary and trigger i bet

A school shooting will be a worse trigger.

Jasper thats a paddlin

bigtiggie23 posted...

Sounds like the movie The Substitute.

Oddly enough, he was up front about not being the best teacher and leaving after he finished his mission

Robot2600 posted...

if you have a bachelors you are qualified to teach that field to high schoolers.

Were you being serious with this post?

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/1/AAEhCpAADkfd.jpg

How is this any different from right now?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Public [anything] will always be the worst option, except maybe nudity.

So (for the sake of your argument) public schools CURRENTLY being worse than private schools makes it okay to make them WORSE?

Ruvan22 posted...

So (for the sake of your argument) public schools CURRENTLY being worse than private schools makes it okay to make them WORSE?

How does Mr. Buzzcut teaching some classes make it worse?

Questionmarktarius posted...

How does Mr. Buzzcut teaching some classes make it worse?

A veteran that hasn't had any training on HOW to teach, classroom management, etc would definitely make the educational experience worse. Feel free to argue how it wouldn't though...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Again, how is this any different from right now?
There's pretty decent public schools, in the suburbs where people actually support them want to support them.

Ok, but how are we going to improve education in cities and poor areas by removing the public option.

How would fully privatizing America help them? It wouldn't even help the middle class, just rich people that want to hold onto even more money.

hockeybub89 posted...

Ok, but how are we going to improve education in cities and poor areas by removing the public option.

Who's advocating removing the public option?
All that changes in the post #58/59 scenario is that the terrible option directly costs money.

Just accept that the public option is going to be generally the worst, and try to work out ways to make it not be so terrible with the resources available. Gentrification is one obvious way to make poor areas not be so poor.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Just accept that the public option is going to be generally the worst

How is this true when charter schools are a thing?

"for today's class, we're going to burn books that are old and useless!"

People who push for privatization of education are people who have no idea what they are talking about. We can safely ignore them.

COVxy posted...

We can safely ignore them.

Thats not true.

Well some military folks do go into teaching. But I can't imagine this fool ordering all staff to be replaced across the state.

rodu_jr posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgChNWsndEk

Coach Buzzcut cracks me up.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

Well some military folks do go into teaching.

My Dad taught masters computer science and my Brother retired and taught art at a college in Seattle. All 3 of us are vets.

I still don't think anyone should be able to just waltz in to a teaching position without any vetting. His statement leaves too many holes open.

Also is he literally saying replace them? Or just incentivising more people to teach.

modena posted...

My Dad taught masters computer science and my Brother retired and taught art at a college in Seattle. All 3 of us are vets.

I still don't think anyone should be able to just waltz in to a teaching position without any vetting. His statement leaves too many holes open.

Also is he literally saying replace them? Or just incentivising more people to teach.

I haven't the foggiest idea. And I agree that not everyone is qualified to teach, same as not everyone is qualified to do x job.

Why does Ronald DeSatan want to turn Florida into a 3rd world country?

No need to answer that, it's a rhetorical question.

modena posted...

Also is he literally saying replace them? Or just incentivising more people to teach.

I'd imagine it's a little of both, since iirc natural attrition is taking a lot of older teachers out, and with how shitty teachers are paid in this state and the immense liability they are under due to legislation (Don't Say Gay) no one is particularly lining up to take those jobs.

It's a combination of shitty administration making the job so intolerable that no one wants the job, and the people who probably can't get out fast enough. It's not really replacement if you just make people not want to be there.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

I haven't the foggiest idea. And I agree that not everyone is qualified to teach, same as not everyone is qualified to do x job.

There'd probably be a market for a three-month "crashcourse" teaching certificate, if it were allowed.
I think it's two years as-is in most areas.

I'll add to my position that I don't think that (qualified, certified, licensed) veterans can't/shouldn't be teachers.

But knowing conservatives like DeSantis the goal is to lower the standard for teaching and to drive away quality teachers by continuing to undervalue their education and experience.

I also think this is weaponizing veterans. The right can hype this up as being "pro-vet" while continuing to strip them of much needed (and well deserved) benefits and aid, while demonizing any critic as being anti-veteran and anti-American,

Questionmarktarius posted...

There'd probably be a market for a three-month "crashcourse" teaching certificate, if it were allowed.
I think it's two years as-is in most areas.

There was a story last year or so about Omaha (I think) hiring teachers that went through very short crash courses which led to disastrous grades/results in the schools they were placed in (often the most demanding schools).

Also you never answered why you thought putting undertrained teachers in public schools *wouldn't* make them worse?

Ruvan22 posted...

Also you never answered why you thought putting undertrained teachers in public schools *wouldn't* make them worse?

Because the alternative is overworked teachers.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Because the alternative is overworked teachers.

To be clear, you are stating that those are the ONLY two possibilities in the universe?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Who's advocating removing the public option?
All that changes in the post #58/59 scenario is that the terrible option directly costs money.

Just accept that the public option is going to be generally the worst, and try to work out ways to make it not be so terrible with the resources available. Gentrification is one obvious way to make poor areas not be so poor.

Anyone supporting the replacement of teachers with soldiers is supporting the removal of public education since a system with soldiers instead of teachers is not an education

Some kid is gonna end up being molested, shot, or sucked into some kind of cult, and then this will be all over.

It will also ruin it for vets too

There's clearly a teacher shortage, or bringing in vets to cover the gap wouldn't need to be an option.
https://news.yahoo.com/report-breaks-down-florida-teacher-033815389.html
If you can't get employees in the door, your only real options are to pay more, or find cheaper labor. Looks like Florida is doing the "both" option:

About $800 million was allocated to raise Floridas minimum teacher pay and to boost the salary of veteran teachers, meaning the average starting salary will be at least $47,000, and Florida will have the ninth-highest average starting salary in the nation.

No they arent. They skipped the pay more option and they skipped the dont overwork them as much option

47k is pathetically low and it should be triple that. And for all qualified teachers, just not soldiers

Kloe_Rinz posted...

it should be triple that

Alright, I'm done this seriously.