Board 8 > Baseball Musical Mafia Topic 7 - Scum Strikeout

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THE LIVING

1. Ben
2. Corrik
3. ctes
4. Death
5. IGCD
6. Han
7. HB
8. Obelisk
9. red13n
10. Sultan
11. Ulti

THE DEAD
MasterPlum - Town Jailkeeper [LD1]
Changmas - Town Taunter [KN1]
Lopen - Mafia Godfather [KD2]
Isquen - Town Doctor [LD2]
Lea - Town Miller Backup [KN2]

Oh, and Han has been Poisoned and WILL, 100%, die at End of Day.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Thank you dead Plum.

Oh, you're finally admitting.

Watcherfear, Ulti?

I am imploring you to adjust that claim. It'll be easier on us all in the long run.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I cant move at night, so no.

https://youtu.be/msDuNZyYAIQ

Yes! Ulti i freaking love you man lol

Sultan.

What if I, confirmed Town dying today, told you that Ulti can move at night?

Please note that I really have neglected Town this game and i'm sorry. I'd say that the early replace and the effort i put into catching the BCT/Plum player spot, albeit wrong, took the wind out of my sails and then I work and family just got busy. No excuses. Not looking for emotional "oh he must be town" responses based on this statement. I just want to preface why I have such few opinions below:

1. Ben - fake Miller claim, his reasoning behind it is sound, I can't argue that by claiming it he would essentially be telling Town Investigative Roles to stay away, however he also lured a Doc Save on Night 1 which could also have been his entire purpose. Unfortunate that Isquen believed said claim and decided to save you. I've been up and down on Ben this game, i'd say leans more scum at this point.

2. Corrik - What is there to say. I have a hard time fingering him as Scum. I don't like what he has to say. I know for a fact that he's lying about a Scum scan on me. Corrik has an extremely abrasive approach to Mafia. He manages to say a lot while saying very little and still insulting everyone. Its a wonder why he even plays but thats besides the point. Whats his gambit here? Has he just convinced himself that I have to be scum based on his read? Well we all know gut reads can be wrong. I do not lynch Corrik here, as much as i'd love to just remove him from the game, he is still likely Town. I jsut dont see Scum Corrik going to this extreme.

3. ctes - I have zero read. I should do an ISO

4. Death - I tend to read death well most of the time. I like to say I can nail when he's town but that was shattered from his last scum game. an ISO of death would be prudent, but he's not on my must lynch now.

5. IGCD - Claims BG and to have protected Han twice. I can agree with the choice. I was feeling good about Han from the start. The inability to block the Poison sucks but I guess that wouldn't normally happen anyway. It starts to stack up the Protection though. Doc, Backup (could be doc), Janitor (doc), Taunter (reverse bg). Thats just what is currently known to us all.

6. Han - probably scum

7. HB - The 1 action Roleblocker who also targeted Han... Less likely to believe this. But role meta isn't a fair shake. ISO of HB is needed.

8. Obellisk - Town. Worthless town, but town.

9. red13n - I've noticed very little from red while reading here and there. Is there anything that i should know that would make me want to say "oh he's totally town?" Lopen involved him in his Claim but that doesn't really mean a whole lot.

10. Sultan - Confirmed Executioner of Mafia Godfather.

11. Ulti - Another day 1 town read for me. His play was more like what i've seen (and learned) from his town games recently. I dont really know what to make of the princess claim thing and we insta winning by day 4. I'm sure whatever he actually is, his power activates by then if he's alive and its probably a goodie. (ie, Lea didn't activate till Day 3).

I'm working in a pool of:
HB
Ben
ctes
igcd

and to lesser extent:
death
red
ulti
corrik

I realize I have both HB and igcd in my pool. its contradictory. There is just a lot of protection floating around but with Role Madness and the fact that Sultan could have killed himself and another town with that gun. Maybe all this protection is warranted.

I need to start doing some work now. I am around.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sultan.

What if I, confirmed Town dying today, told you that Ulti can move at night?

Then we kill Ulti for Lying twice kill all liers right?

UltimaterializerX posted...

If youre claiming I can move at night, I cant. If you have a scan result saying so, then scum has a role whatever madness thing that can fake scan results.

I do not have a role that can move at night, so there is nothing to adjust here.

I am Watcher.

You NEED to claim.

Well then... Ulti's certainly in a pickle.

Don't think yourself free either, SBell.

Obellisk posted...

Han - probably scum

Immediately what?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Don't think yourself free either, SBell.

I'd never. I jsut think its funny i'm spilling my brain onto the screen and you are nailing ulti's ass to the wall while i do it.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Immediately what?

jokes, Sultan. You get them.

Both IGCD and Hb claims to have targeted Han both nights.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Nah. I have no night actions.

What this actually means is someone that targeted Han last night has a scum role that gives bad scan results. Cooler heads will come through eventually here, since we have enough good players left alive.

Hb and IGCD both claim they targeted Han last night, right? And IGCD claims he targeted Han on night one?

But what night did Han target you? Night 1 or Night 2?

Han, can we get full results?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Both IGCD and Hb claims to have targeted Han both nights.

Well that negates my above thought...

Obellisk posted...

But what night did Han target you? Night 1 or Night 2?

Han, can we get full results?

Lea N1 and N2.

N1 no visitors.

N2, two visitors.

And I'll give you this: I don't believe both people who targeted Lea are Scum. So if that second person CLAIMS right now, we can go ahead and lynch Ulti.

I guess I can see what Han was waiting for now.

Tried to hint hard that Ulti and Corrik were attached to that claim. Asked Ulti earlier to walk it back. Gave him chances.

Occulam's razor says you visited Lea last night.

Oh, Corrik has a SHIT ton of explaining to do too, don't think he doesn't.

I did think Han was testing Ulti at first, until Han got more serious... and I dont like that Ulti didn't even mention that angle until his post just now.

Also I guess I will at least confirm that I did not visit Lea last night. If that helps.

If there has been any kind of misdirection regarding this, my first thought would not at all be that it was someone who visited Han on a previous night that did something to Han so that he'd watch people that weren't there. That's too much of a stretch.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If you mislynch me, I get to lord it over you for life when I flip princess and scum gets handed a free win for no reason.

Now you're claiming princess again???

If one were generous and say a framer is not impossible in role madness. But I dont exactly see a concrete reason to be generous. Other than that I have generally liked Ulti's vibe for most of the game.

If there is a town posioner who poisoned Han speak up NOW

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Now you're claiming princess again???

He's trying to appeal to ego to get me to back down.

Note what Hb did day 1.

Ulti. Why even take the Princess role away if you are back to claiming it again anyway?

Can you imagine the thought process here:

1. I am confirmed Town. I am Watcher. These are facts.
2. If I was a non-acting role and Watcher told me they saw me visit the night kill, sure, Framer or Possessor of some sort becomes the thing that I would have to believe.
3. Posturing some sort of "i GeT 2 lOrD iT oVeR yOu If U mIsLynCh Me FoR hAvInG a ScAn ThAt SaId I wAs ScUm"

Ehh its more that I like Corrik a lot less and could see him being scum more. Who did Corrik say he visited night2 again?
I cant let all my theories depend on a framer existing either. Occam's razor and all.

Oh right Corrik claimed roleblocked.

Yeah we need answers from him.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Also, yeah Death is town cleared now. Thanks bro. No scum would have the stones to call me town after Hans claim.

This is not a town clear. It's simply attempting to butter you up and look good for being right if/when you flip town.

anyway no I'm not a fucking framer obviously but no one is going to listen to anything I say until I flip so who gives a shit

kill IGCD and Death after I'm gone. You guys have probably one shot to not fuck this up

Thats a lot of anger over not being in the hottest seat anymore.