Board 8 > Baseball Musical Mafia Topic 5 - Get Low(pen)

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THE LIVING

1. Ben
2. Corrik
3. ctes
4. Death
5. IGCD
6. Isquen
7. Han
8. HB
9. Lea
10. Obelisk
11. red13n
12. Sultan
13. Ulti

The Dead

MasterPlum - Town Jailkeeper [LD1]
Changmas - Town Taunter [KN1]
Lopen - SCUM [KD2]

Yay

Thank god, the flair gives me life

it even has Mafia in the title

Oh fuck I didn't even realize HB had that many votes on him lol

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Okay, Ctes - convince me to push the lynch onto Isquen today.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Isquen should absolutely still be the focus I believe. After all that happened yesterday, he was literally there for the endgame but just admitted to throw a vote to save himself instead of arguing. I believe he was active in scumchat and just hoped I wouldnt be able to stop the mislynch of me. Somehow none of us got it. If Im right about this, I think Ulti looks pretty good, that interaction is weird scum/scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Isquen begins by making some vibe lists where he's rolling a d6 for one of the two feel good spots. When I ask him this he got very defensive and says half the game pinged his scum rader without elaborating. Then he states there's no reason to show his entire hand. Next thing he reveals a new pair of good and bad vibes but still not more than that. He comes back and votes Lopen. A bit later he comes with a long post of small notes about everyone, most of it is pure fluff, then he states he doesn't want to say why he's actually voting Lopen. His thoughts about chang also doesn't stick together. At this point he's being called out for all this. He then comes back and basically just flips about possibly getting lynched. Softclaiming bomb possibly and pretty much just gives up. The Lopen thing turns out being because of something on the very first pages, which are never the ones you want to look the most into.

I believe most of this was just randomly trying to generate content without really getting anywhere. Most of the play is pretty anti-town at best. The bomb thing I don't buy either, that's quite convinient if it was intended as hinted that.

It hasn't really been more more than that today, either. His main suspect yesterday was Lopen, but today when Lopen was taunted by the dead player he barely went after him. There doesn't seem to be much scumhunting in him.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, Ctes, tell me I'm having a good day 2. I won't make you tell me I had a good day 1 until I prove it, but I think I've earned this praise to be lavished upon my form.

I already told you good job on Lopen, why is this important to you

I am rereading day 1 again to focus more on other players, but what do we make of this post from isquen?
Isquen posted...

Free and on my way into groceries, but I want to say I was going to go for my usual thing of voting for someone on the train because day 1 lol, but then... THAT happened. Was fully prepared to vote BCT, and now that I'm off, I see a replacement happened. This does not 100% redeem plum, so let's go back to my initial plan.

Mind you, I still think plum is scum (because I ALWAYS think plum is scum) but reactionwise to this news, I think I've gotta

##vote: Lopen

It's a shaky handwave between this and two other folks I've got my eye on.

Mind you (heh), he still thought Plum was scum so he might have planned to jump back on Plum. But I dont know if Isquen is the type to target their own teammate that early.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Plum [6] - (Sbell), (Ben), (Ulti), (Lea), (Lopen), Red, HB, Death, Lopen, ctes, Ulti
ctes [4] - (Lopen), Changmas, Isquen, IGCD, Han
Isquen [3] - (Lea), (Han), (Ben). (Ulti), (Sultan),(Ben), Lea, Ben, Plum
Ben [2] - (IGCD), (Sultan), (Lea), (Lopen), SBell, (IGCD), Ben
Lopen [0] - (Ulti), (Ben), (Corrik), (Isquen), (Plum), (Isquen)
RANDOM [1] - Corrik, (Isquen)
Red [0] - (Lopen), (Lopen), (Ben), (Lopen)
Corrik [0] - (red), (IGCD), (Sultan)
Han [0] - (Sultan), (Isquen), (Isquen)
HB [0] - (Han), (Lopen), (Han)
No lynch [0] - (Corrik)
Sultan [0] - (Lea), (Sbell), (Han), (Ben), (Isquen)
Sbell [0] - (Plum)
Ulti [0] - (Lopen)

Yeah ctes is scum.

Something you also did in most of the posts from me you highlighted yesterday was just show a post of mine and call it scum. What's the point you're making here even?

Hbthebattle posted...

Well apparently me sleeping through most of the action qualifies as "slipping through" lol
anyway, it is Ctes.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80111335/966929766
##Vote: Ctes

This is a horrible post but Lea already covered that. I need to go look at Hb's day 1 more because except his feud of Han he slipped away from the focus a lot. Possibly not a good sign. Hb later stated I looked the worst of the three people up for lynch yesterday, but doesn't state why. I feel like this is a bit desperate out of nowhere attempt to get on someone who looked like a good mislynch option at the end of day 1.

Hbthebattle posted...

The frustration coming out of him feels like someone whose whole gameplan has been thrown off. Town generally has other suspects to jump to.

At no point was I frustrated that chang in particular was killed, I was just somewhat surprised to see him flip town actually. All my frustration was from the end of day 1 and I think I made that clear enough.

I will give Hb that he's right about IGCD though, I've pointed that out a few times and no one seemed to respond. Yesterday some of you talked about it being a scumtell when you seem to always kind of be here without doing anything and that sure is what IGCD has been doing.

I don't think Hb looks like a bad option at all at the moment, but yeah, I'd like to look closer at his d1.

Isquen's posts read Scummy too. Honest, if I had Sultan's shot before revealing Lopen as a liar, I might have shot Isquen.

Fwiw, about IGCD - I normally read him perfectly, but I haven't really gotten a read on him either way yet this game. I'll try to iso him later.

IGCD as Scum does work if Ctes is Town. I would say Ctes as Town crucifies Isquen as Scum.

Inversely, Ctes was a little kinder to Lopen day1
At the start of the game Ctes said he might do the same thing as Lopen (excusing his playstyle changes) and that he didn't know Lopen very well.
He also wanted to know what plums secret reasons for voting Lopen were. Which comes across as scum wanting to know why their partner is being attacked.
On the more interesting side they were disagreeing about Sultan, though their argument never gets very heated.

What I remember about IGCD is the vote stuff which I admit was pretty funny and that he jumped on me at the end of the day without really stating why or being part of the discussion. The rest is just random comments here and there about this and that. Does he usually provide so little? Definitely worth looking at.

I recall IGCD is 'not present' like this every game so I tend to not think about him early on.

htaeD posted...

He also wanted to know what plums secret reasons for voting Lopen were. Which comes across as scum wanting to know why their partner is being attacked.

Was that not Isquen? Because I do clearly remember Isquen stating reasons he didn't want to say, which turned out to be some page 1 stuff later. That was digging into Isquen and had little to do with Lopen himself, though I suppose Isquen ended up being right.

Right Isquen, sorry
I conflated him with Plum since both were after Lopen.. though Plum did a better job of it.

Quick Check in. I still don't like HB he has not as i asked impressed me.

HB when you get here tell me who you want to lynch and why and make it good

Red and Lopens interactions also dont read as scum/scum the more I see them. Not as much as Ulti's interactions, but enough for me to consider Red on the town spectrum.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Quick Check in. I still don't like HB he has not as i asked impressed me.

HB when you get here tell me who you want to lynch and why and make it good

ctes, obviously. He tried to slink off most of day 1, and when he got caught his reaction was "How could you change your mind????" which really does not look good for him. His actions today make more sense as scum now that we know scum didnt intend for chang to die. It just feels right.

My main thought on Isquen is that while he has looked weird, ctes's first instinct when threatened is to push onto him, which I doubt he would do that consistently to a scummate?

htaeD posted...

I recall IGCD is 'not present' like this every game so I tend to not think about him early on.

I mean I'm usually reading unless I miss a big chunk and then have to skip shit because I have essentially given up and trying to ever do catchups again.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Because we weren't capable of voting until after the shot, ya frickin harpy. Quick, wanna accuse me of not voting Lopen during NIGHT one while we're at it?

I've at least mentioned what I did last night, AND advocated for him wrongly despite damning evidence, yet all you did was bus Lopen by confirming he's not bus driver with no evidence... like you did Ben and Sheep last time i played with you. Your only defenses of "I checked" and "it's Isquen Isquen Isquen" ring hollow, yet your vote roulette and Lopen lying about protecting you last night spoke volumes.

##vote: Lea

Lose the obsession. It ain't healthy for you.

htaeD posted...

Free and on my way into groceries, but I want to say I was going to go for my usual thing of voting for someone on the train because day 1 lol, but then... THAT happened. Was fully prepared to vote BCT, and now that I'm off, I see a replacement happened. This does not 100% redeem plum, so let's go back to my initial plan.

Mind you, I still think plum is scum (because I ALWAYS think plum is scum) but reactionwise to this news, I think I've gotta

##vote: Lopen

It's a shaky handwave between this and two other folks I've got my eye on.

Not great for Isquen that in the post where he votes Lopen he gives an out for why he will probably be getting off lopen (to go back to Plum). And says he "thinks he gotta" vote Lopen as if he would look worse if he didn't. So that's a scummy isquen post

And I can't get over his fixation with Lea and him seriously entertaining Lea as scum here. That comes off as extremely fake and I think real Isquen knows better

I'm spiteful. Deal with it.

Hbthebattle posted...

My main thought on Isquen is that while he has looked weird, ctes's first instinct when threatened is to push onto him, which I doubt he would do that consistently to a scummate?

My question is why you are so sure Ctes is scum from the start of your statements.

What do you mean about lopen lying about protecting Lea?

htaeD posted...

My question is why you are so sure Ctes is scum from the start of your statements.

It makes the most sense. Why wouldn't I operate on that assumption and go from there? The point is, I don't think Ctes/Isquen is scum/scum.

Lea was a bit friendly with Lopen day1, but I dont really hold that against her as their interactions were mostly on the jokey side.

The only thing I dont actually like is that one moment where Lea speaks for Lopen on one issue. But thats so insignificant I forgot about that until I read it again just now.

Hbthebattle posted...

It makes the most sense. Why wouldn't I operate on that assumption and go from there? The point is, I don't think Ctes/Isquen is scum/scum.

It feels like logic that skips one beat to reach another. Similar to how HB attacked you earlier.
I will grant you tho that you are using it to call someone as town at least.

htaeD posted...

Similar to how HB attacked you earlier.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/0/AAceriAADgmE.png

Did you forget this already HB?

If ctes is scum, and he had a wall prepared for Chang, it kinda suggests scum didnt expect him to be the one to die, doesnt it

no death, the issue is the wording - I didn't exactly attack myself

Important to note that Isquen would rather vote Random than help people vote Lopen when that guy finally started getting talked about by more people than just Plum and Han.

The harpy bit was uncalled for. Sorry about that. I still urge you to look elsewhere beyond me when my motives are laid bare already today.

Lunch break done.

Hbthebattle posted...

no death, the issue is the wording - I didn't exactly attack myself

Oh for the love off...
Why did I think Ctes was talking to me?
(the answer is: I have no idea)

Okay let me correct myself then by saying at least you arent calling someone scum with that kind of logic this time.

Hbthebattle posted...

ctes, obviously. He tried to slink off most of day 1, and when he got caught his reaction was "How could you change your mind????" which really does not look good for him. His actions today make more sense as scum now that we know scum didnt intend for chang to die. It just feels right.

This is not that accurate and you know that. I was not pissed at getting the heatin itself, I just wish I had been called out earlier instead.

Also your chang argument is stupid, you found something that would make fine sense regardless og alignment and just decided to state it as a scumtell. I thought chang didn't look so good yesterday and I didn't think he'd be the night kill, no. I also didn't finish the iso.

Hbthebattle posted...

My main thought on Isquen is that while he has looked weird, ctes's first instinct when threatened is to push onto him, which I doubt he would do that consistently to a scummate?

I had already pushed for that earlier.

I don't think HB is scum, but I don't know for sure he isn't so I won't argue against it. Sbell is confirmed scum though if you guys decide not to lynch him.

Aight since no one seems to care what I say at any point, i am good for peacing out til day 3 right? Okay later.

Hey Hb, I want you to explain to me what about IGCD's play would make you think he's Town?

Even if that's not how you feel, I want you to put yourself into the mindset.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey Hb, I want you to explain to me what about IGCD's play would make you think he's Town?

Even if that's not how you feel, I want you to put yourself into the mindset.

The main arguments I could see for him being town is
1: I doubt that both of Ben and Isquen are scum, and we know Plum wasn't. IGCD could have easily had an excuse to vote for a town player if he was scum. (This one mainly applies if Ctes does turn out scum, of course.)
2: Following stronger towny players is generally a common strategy for less confident town players, and he has openly been doing that. I don't necessarily agree with the strategy, but it does happen frequently.

Even if Ctes flipped town though, I think Isquen would still be the better lynch though. Because of their interactions, I can't see that pair being scum/scum - and thanks to the fact scum gave out a gun at all I can't see there being more than 1 scum in Isq/Ctes/Ben. That's why I think highlighting players who I think have gone under the radar like IGCD/Death/Sbell/Corrik (to an extent) is very valuable atm.

Noting here that Lopens inferred lynch preference list went:
Red first, then Ctes, then Ben, then HB, then Isquen

I base this on how he jumped from vote to vote and kept saying 'I prefer him over him'

Later he seems to adjust his rankings on text as well

(Red) > Ctes > Isquen > Ben > HB.

Then when the final hour is well under way he switches things around by going back to Red after Ben shows interest in lynching Red, but then Ben unvoted Red to vote Isquen.
A page later Lopen voted Plum... because Ben voices distrust of Plum (this is before he knows Ben votes Plum too). He says he shares Bens energy yet doesn't vote Isquen in between those two moments.
Could be the most telling moment in that whole sequence honestly. He didn't really excuse this choice day 2 either.

Though for the sake of overall context I should add that Isquen did go back to voting Lopen after he voted Random and he said he didnt know if he would come back after that

Of course he did come back and unvoted Lopen again... and we cant be sure if he planned to come back all along. But I just want to be complete