Current Events > Is it time to do away with 2 week notices?

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The market is getting bad, at least in tech. People are getting laid off, offers are getting rescinded, and many companies fire you on the spot if you try and give a 2 week notice anyway to try and cut costs. So many people gave their job notice expecting to join a new company, only to have that offer taken away. Seems like we shouldnt give notice anymore. Just wait until the last day to say anything.

Give the same respect you'd be given.

If you're working for a company that tosses people out without notice? Yeah, fuck it. Don't even call. Just stop showing up and they'll figure it out.

I always feel like I must be an absolute nobody because I never see or experience this. The employers Ive had tend to give advance notice of things, I feel.

Maybe I just dont notice. I typically give notices for my peers sake, not the company though. But if offers are being rescinded, then no shot will I do a two weeks notice.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I always feel like I must be an absolute nobody because I never see or experience this. The employers Ive had tend to give advance notice of things, I feel.

Maybe I just dont notice. I typically give notices for my peers sake, not the company though. But if offers are being rescinded, then no shot will I do a two weeks notice.

Im a tech recruiter and my LinkedIn feed is nothing but posts about layoffs and offers getting rescinded. The tech market is going through some shit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/job-offer-revoked-rescinded-economy-recession-coinbase-redfin-meta-tech-2022-6?amp

Largely depends on the field, tbh. I'm in the legal field and they usually don't fire you on the spot since they need people to cover cases, court days, etc. Last time I left a job, I gave them a month notice, but that mostly for the sake of my clients.

Can't happen in my profession, it's a small world and every other hospital would know

Shit I gave a month notice on my last 2 jobs. They were both office jobs though so I just kind of fucked around and wrote a few documents to describe how to do my tasks.

Instead of giving a 2 week notice I just took 3 weeks of vacation off from my job, and once I had started the other one I just quit the 1st while on vacay.

Ps2Twilight posted...

Largely depends on the field, tbh. I'm in the legal field and they usually don't fire you on the spot since they need people to cover cases, court days, etc. Last time I left a job, I gave them a month notice, but that mostly for the sake of my clients.

At my last company, they started letting people go on the spot if they gave notice they were going to a competitor. People who had been there 10+ years too. Cutting off their healthcare and such. I dont know how my current company handles it but Im starting to want to leave and wonder what I should do.

Also Im getting nervous. A lot of the big tech layoffs are impacting recruiters most. Were usually the first to go. Twitter laid off 30% of their recruiters last week. Netflix laid off a ton of them as did Unity and Niantic and a bunch of others. Were slowing down hiring at my company and my workload is so light now. They stealth cut 10% of our bonuses (for recruiting but not engineering).

I heard that you are less likely to get laid off if you dont have LinkedIn

Cleo_II posted...

At my last company, they started letting people go on the spot if they gave notice they were going to a competitor. People who had been there 10+ years too. Cutting off their healthcare and such. I dont know how my current company handles it but Im starting to want to leave and wonder what I should do.

The competitor thing is weird because you dont want the security liability. But you should know thats going to happen before you do it.

And like someone else said, 2 weeks is mostly a courtesy to my team and then a secondary courtesy to the company.

Turtlebread posted...

I heard that you are less likely to get laid off if you dont have LinkedIn

Are you joking or being serious?

Not in my profession. I left my last job a couple months ago and has to put in a 3 week notice.

CreekCo posted...

Are you joking or being serious?

Keeping an active linkedin profile heavily implies that you're in "greener pastures" mode.

Umbreon posted...

Give the same respect you'd be given.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Keeping an active linkedin profile heavily implies that you're in "greener pastures" mode.

Lol what no it doesnt.

The reason you're seeing a large lay offs in some fields is because some of them "over hired" are just "correcting" themselves. I also work as a tax consultant for some of these tech companies and I've noticed their payroll expenses jumping up like crazy because of the "great resignation" that scared a lot of these companies.

Prestoff posted...

The reason you're seeing a large lay offs in some fields is because some of them "over hired" are just "correcting" themselves. I also work as a tax consultant for some of these tech companies and I've noticed their payroll expenses jumping up like crazy because of the "great resignation" that scared a lot of these companies.

Yes well aware. Too many tech companies over hired and scaled too quickly. And now laying all those extra people off now that they are no longer needed. Its terrible how humans with lives and bills to pay are being treated. The lay offs are one thing but many are also pulling out their offers. Coinbase rescinded hundreds of them for example but if you go on Blind there are tons of stories from other companies doing the same. People who quit their jobs expecting to join new ones and already gave notice, suddenly scrambling and out of work. A lot of them on H1Bs and their visas depending on the job so if they cant find another one in time, they need to leave the country. Some fucked up stuff.

The literal only reason I give out 2 weeks notices is because I've worked under bosses I at least respected.

If that weren't the case then fuck no. They wouldn't give me 2 weeks to find another job

Umbreon posted...

Give the same respect you'd be given.

If you're working for a company that tosses people out without notice? Yeah, fuck it. Don't even call. Just stop showing up and they'll figure it out.

This. Ive had jobs that were cool so I put in a notice. Also had jobs that screwed me so I literally just walked out.

I always side with the employee because people dont walk out for no reason.

Only time a two week notice matters is when you plan to use someone higher up in the company as a reference

Did you end up starting your own recruiting firm TC? I thought I remember you posting something about that several months ago

Cleo_II posted...

Lol what no it doesnt.

Bro come on. Yes it does. Thats like saying youre on Tinder to make friends. Nobody is buying that.

Lets call a spade a spade.

Cleo_II posted...

Yes well aware. Too many tech companies over hired and scaled too quickly. And now laying all those extra people off now that they are no longer needed. Its terrible how humans with lives and bills to pay are being treated. The lay offs are one thing but many are also pulling out their offers. Coinbase rescinded hundreds of them for example but if you go on Blind there are tons of stories from other companies doing the same. People who quit their jobs expecting to join new ones and already gave notice, suddenly scrambling and out of work. A lot of them on H1Bs and their visas depending on the job so if they cant find another one in time, they need to leave the country. Some fucked up stuff.

I honestly think it should be illegal for people's offers to get rescinded when they're offered a job already. I still think a 2 week notice is a good practice, for like someone said to get a good reference/referral, but yeah if this is the new trend I say get rid of the 2 week notice because it becomes detriment to the workers.

I assume most of the people in this topic are American. In your contracts if employment, is it stated that you're to give notice of you're looking to leave, but your employer isn't obligated to do so if they're firing you? And I don't mean getting fired because of gross misconduct or something like that. And is that typical across all sectors and all levels of seniority?

Prestoff posted...

I honestly think it should be illegal for people's offers to get rescinded when they're offered a job already. I still think a 2 week notice is a good practice, for like someone said to get a good reference/referral, but yeah if this is the new trend I say get rid of the 2 week notice because it becomes detriment to the workers.

How would they make it illegal? The inverse happens too. People accept jobs and then change their mind.

GBH713 posted...

I assume most of the people in this topic are American. In your contracts if employment, is it stated that you're to give notice of you're looking to leave, but your employer isn't obligated to do so if they're firing you? And I don't mean getting fired because of gross misconduct or something like that. And is that typical across all sectors and all levels of seniority?

In a lot of states employment is at will which means your employment can be terminated at any time for any reason. Things like discrimination dont fall under that but damn near anything else you can be fired on the spot.

As far as I know you cant be punished for not giving a notice. Some jobs do have non-compete agreements though.

GBH713 posted...

I assume most of the people in this topic are American. In your contracts if employment, is it stated that you're to give notice of you're looking to leave, but your employer isn't obligated to do so if they're firing you? And I don't mean getting fired because of gross misconduct or something like that. And is that typical across all sectors and all levels of seniority?

Most the time layoffs happen the people get a severance package, their job is gone but they still get a few weeks or more of paychecks. Unless the company really goes to shit, then you get no severance package.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Did you end up starting your own recruiting firm TC? I thought I remember you posting something about that several months ago

No. The market is giving me pause. Im going to see what it looks like next year. If companies are laying off internal recruiters, they sure as hell arent going to outsource

MrDrMan posted...

Bro come on. Yes it does. Thats like saying youre on Tinder to make friends. Nobody is buying that.

Lets call a spade a spade.

Sure bud

I haven't had any professional job where I'd feel comfortable not giving a two weeks notice. I'd need time to hand down my work and responsibilities.

Of course, it's possible I could just work in a way where I always have things documented and ready for someone to be able to easily take something over...but still.

I'd at least need a few days to pass on some level of information. I have my last job a months notice.

The 2-week notice is more of a courtesy than anything else

during my time in the workforce I've seen just as many people walk out or just not show up

Cleo_II posted...

No. The market is giving me pause. Im going to see what it looks like next year. If companies are laying off internal recruiters, they sure as hell arent going to outsource

Sure bud

If you had a point youd just make it but you clearly dont.

Damn Microsoft laying off hundreds now. And reports that Meta is forcing managers to put a certain percent of their teams as poor performers to start managing folks out.

that is what anti-work been saying since 2020

Heres how my last 4 employees quit on me:

Three gave a two week notice

Of the three, one worked all two weeks, one skipped their last 2 bar shifts citing a family emergency yet was posting pics on IG of them getting day drunk at a bar, and one not only worked two weeks but also worked an additional month helping train my new brewers

The one that didn't give a notice quit on the spot after I had a meeting with him and the rest of my brewers about why production was low and why accounts were constantly hitting me up about not getting kegs or receiving wrong kegs (said brewer was responsible for the above and quit after I approached him about it with the rest of the brew team)

In short, I don't expect shit from a two week notice.

If the job is shit and they dont treat you like a person and you have no intention of coming back. Fuck em.

If you are moving on to greener pastures and they were always good to you, i would personally give them more so you can always have a fallback if things dont work out.

2 week notices shouldnt be a thing, but its a way to keep the employer in power if youre depending on their recommendation. If you got the new job lined up then yeah fuck the current employer lol

Cleo_II posted...

Damn Microsoft laying off hundreds now. And reports that Meta is forcing managers to put a certain percent of their teams as poor performers to start managing folks out.

Damn. I know MS has a ton of employees, but still, that's a lot.

emblem-man posted...

Damn. I know MS has a ton of employees, but still, that's a lot.

Yeah about 1% of their workforce of 180,000. Which is still about 1,800 people being laid off. Terrible

2 week notices have always been stupid. Most employers won't hesitate to treat you like shit, so why do them the courtesy of letting them know you're leaving?

If you ever need to come back it will be in your favor to put in 2 weeks.

Cleo_II posted...

Also Im getting nervous. A lot of the big tech layoffs are impacting recruiters most. Were usually the first to go. Twitter laid off 30% of their recruiters last week. Netflix laid off a ton of them as did Unity and Niantic and a bunch of others. Were slowing down hiring at my company and my workload is so light now. They stealth cut 10% of our bonuses (for recruiting but not engineering).

Twitter stock prices got screwed by Elon fucking around. Netflix lost millions of subscribers. Niantic hasnt had a hit since Pokmon Go and it remains their only long term viable project.

Hey TC I remember your old topic from a few months back are you still going through with your venture?

Aa a manager, I would obviously prefer as much notice as an employee is able to give. That being said, if an employee is being treated like shit by an employer, I could understand the sentiment of leaving without notice. It is a courtesy, after all. I would then say not to put that employer down as a reference however.

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The tech market seems really hot near me still as well, but its based more on local companies and the less volatile (right now) medical technology sector

also no offense to TC but I really dont understand why the recruiting industry is such a huge thing anyway. I dont get what value they add; they just seem like the landlords of the jobs world. Just taking a cut of the pay and not actually doing anything. Its especially obnoxious how for example I have an Amazon recruiter reach out to me at least once a month even though recently failed their coding challenge and am still in the six-month window where Im not eligible to take it again.

for the job I currently have, I had an interview with a recruiter about an hour before my first interview here, the job he had in mind for me was this one. I told him yeah I have that interview in an hour I found it on indeed, thanks for nothing. Dodged a bullet too because theres no recruiter taking a cut of my salary