Current Events > Supreme Court rules in favor of conceal carry in New York State.

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Skype posted...

You mean how the 10th amendment also protects the rights to abortion in states, therefore, not fundamentally unconstitutional?

You didn't think that one through.

He'll excuse it because he'll say murder is bad and can't be legal anywhere.

He'll have more excuses as the Court rattles off more rulings that erode freedoms to push the Republican christofascist state on the rest of us.

The Supreme Court is invalid.

As a progressive, I believe in the right to bear arms. With more restrictions and background checks of course.

I don't believe in conceal carry.

holy tag

What is the purpose of a well-regulated militia if you already have a national army?

Is it the idea that the army might turn on us and that we need to defend ourselves against our own govt?

Or are guns more for citizens' protection against other armies invading their land?

SrRd_RacinG posted...

What is the purpose of a well-regulated militia if you already have a national army?

Is it the idea that the army might turn on us and that we need to defend ourselves against our own govt?

Or are guns more for citizens' protection against other armies invading their land?

The right is so obsessed with needing guns to overthrow a tyrannical government while they literally praise the government becoming tyrannical.

The 2Aers have always have this obsessed idea that they need a gun to protect themselves, because they can't wait for the day they can shoot someone in defense.

good ruling

ThePrinceFish posted...

When Roe v Wade goes away, you know it won't outlaw abortions nationwide, right? It will... become a states issue consistent with the 10th amendment.

Hopefully soon after that, the Court recognizes that the government is as responsible for protecting the lives of fetuses the same as any other American. But that's a different court case.

If you have to do research to figure out what states you are free in and which will execute you for doing the same things, perhaps it is time to dissolve the nation.

Why can't you just not get an abortion and get on with your life? How is it an attack on your freedom to know people are doing things you don't agree with?

FFS America.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_z9XyYIb_Xg

So abortion needs to be banned nationwide because fetuses deserve the same protection as everyone, but apparently minorities don't need to be federally protected because state's rights. Checks out.

Joshua_Graham posted...

Not at all since the 2nd amendment clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed

Doesn't it say something about in a militia

Some people are acting like guns are going to be air dropped via Amazon drones into NY because of this ruling.

All this is going to do is remove the part of the application process where it asks you why you feel like you need to carry, which was purely subjective and only helped serve the elite, and would deny a person who passed every background check, and jumped through every hoop the state demanded up until that point.

Good

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Which we saw with the Kenosha shooter

SrRd_RacinG posted...

The state just went from super strict to...almost Texas-like.

No it didn't. It's still gonna take months to get a permit.
This ISNT permitless carry. All that changed is you don't have to write in a reason to request unrestricted on the app. The rest of the process remains.

Malcrasternus posted...

Some people are acting like guns are going to be air dropped via Amazon drones into NY because of this ruling.

All this is going to do is remove the part of the application process where it asks you why you feel like you need to carry, which was purely subjective and only helped serve the elite, and would deny a person who passed every background check, and jumped through every hoop the state demanded up until that point.

Get out of here with your facts.

Malcrasternus posted...

Some people are acting like guns are going to be air dropped via Amazon drones into NY because of this ruling.

All this is going to do is remove the part of the application process where it asks you why you feel like you need to carry, which was purely subjective and only helped serve the elite, and would deny a person who passed every background check, and jumped through every hoop the state demanded up until that point.

I just care than an invalid Supreme Court has taken over control of the entire country to ensure the party's agenda is law. They couldn't even wait until 2024. They're making the power play now, showing that they don't even need the Presidency or a majority House. They can and will change the country however their party sees fit. The Electoral College was bad enough, but now we have 6 unelected officials have been given absolute control. No democracy. No checks and balances.

If you want to reduce licenses, then take them all away NO grandfather clause and hold a license raffle every year where your license is only good for 5 years. For fairness, mandate classes taught by NY state colleges.

CobraGT posted...

If you want to reduce licenses, then take them all away NO grandfather clause and hold a license raffle every year where your license is only good for 5 years. For fairness, mandate classes taught by NY state colleges.

Yeah buddy that's not gonna fly.
From the opinion:
"That said, because any permit-ting scheme can be put toward abusive ends, we do not rule out constitu-tional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinarycitizens their right to public carry."

I can't wait for the supreme court's next 2nd amendment decision where they decide arms doesn't just apply to guns, but all weapons. Who wouldn't want to have a concealed nuclear warhead or grenade launcher? By the original and textual readings of the constitution, those should also be completely protected rights.

Additionally, would it be legal to own and operate tanks and military fighter jets without any licenses? Those would count as arms too.

MrAntisocial posted...

I can't wait for the supreme court's next 2nd amendment decision where they decide arms doesn't just apply to guns, but all weapons. Who wouldn't want to have a concealed nuclear warhead or grenade launcher? By the original and textual readings of the constitution, those should also be completely protected rights.

Additionally, would it be legal to own and operate tanks and military fighter jets without any licenses? Those would count as arms too.

Probably anyone who is able to acquire one of these can stay underneath the radar?

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I think you can really get the old men of the supreme court riled if you add a clause denying a license to anyone with impaired vision and hearing.

Not to be that guy, but NY has always been one of the easiest places in the world to get a gun.

It was just hard to get one legally.

Its a fitting ruling in the confines of the Constitution; the state may not restrict a citizens rights more than the federal government.

Its why Pennsylvanias search and seizure laws are more strict on law enforcement than federal laws. They can grant more protections to the people, but not less. And gatekeeping a persons right to carry a firearm based on subjective, non-codified or non-legal reasons, is definitely an infringement on peoples rights by the state.

For example, people who are felons cannot possess firearms and those convicted of certain enumerated offenses. However, those not convicted should have the right to do so.

They were smart to announce this decision before the roe v wade decision.

Patchwork posted...

the state may not restrict a citizens rights more than the federal government.

Oh... Ok. There's no federal laws against abortion btw.

Im only hearing about New York. What about Jersey, Im trying to carry honestly.

gunplagirl posted...

I'll give it a month before some mass shooting in a public place. Grocery store, mall, or other complex with high amounts of foot traffic.

Yep, the only thing stopping these mass murderers was the conceal carry law. Yep, it's not like psychopaths would ignore the law regardless

NY could just ignore the ruling. What power does the Supreme Court really have if a state says fuck them? They have no authority to send in troops and force a state to honor their ruling. Anyone who tried that would be starting a civil war anyway.

It's really gonna come down to the idea that if you view a court as illegitimate, you need to treat it like it's illegitimate

Makeveli_lives posted...

Im only hearing about New York. What about Jersey, Im trying to carry honestly.

The NJ conceal carry laws are very very similar and this ruling will likely affect it the same way it affects the NY law.

It's the end of the world!

I wonder if subway attacks will go down now that law abiding citizens will be able to conceal carry in New York.

Joshua_Graham posted...

The NJ conceal carry laws are very very similar and this ruling will likely affect it the same way it affects the NY law.

Cool so I can get a concealed carry without explaining why I want one essentially? But I got to pass all the other test and background checks?

The obvious things I see happening are more police and lawyers desperate to put a charge, no matter how minor or petty, on as many black and latino people to disqualify as many people as possible from being able to carry then.

I'm personally fine with this decision. They way it worked before was essentially the state asking you, "But why tho?" even if you passed every background check, filled out every form, ownd a gun that the state had to already clear you to own, and even then, could deny your application for whatever reason they felt like.

Yet some people I've talked to about it are freaking out, as if the people willing to jump through all these hoops to begin with, are the problem.

But guns are good and more people with guns will solve mass shootings, according to a particular gamefaqs mod

Joshua_Graham posted...

Not at all since the 2nd amendment clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed"

It also says a "well-regulated militia" but gun cultists like to ignore that part.

SuperShake666 posted...

It also says a "well-regulated militia" but gun cultists like to ignore that part.

Have to wonder if it's really worth going through what "well-regulated" means in every single gun topic if ignorant people are still going to pop into every one with this ignorant gotcha. Bonus when they act so smug about it.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

But guns are good and more people with guns will solve mass shootings, according to a particular gamefaqs mod

Not sure why that mod brought that up, though in their defense a day after the Buffalo shooting a person with a conceal carry did in fact stop a potential mass shooting. But the idea of conceal carry is to have one more line of defense for yourself in a bad situation. And that's why the May-issue stance NY had with their CC permits have been challenged for years now.

Just my two cents at least, I'm only okay with this decision in the agreement that strict background checks are still being carried out to make sure the person hadn't forfeited their right to carry in the first place.

Why does the Supreme Court have to fuck up shit for everyone

Where I live in NY is actually pretty fucking safe(not counting a lot of drug addicts who don't (and shouldn't) have guns.

itachi15243 posted...

Why does the Supreme Court have to fuck up shit for everyone

Where I live in NY is actually pretty fucking safe(not counting a lot of drug addicts who don't (and shouldn't) have guns.

What do you think this ruling does?

itachi15243 posted...

Where I live in NY is actually pretty fucking safe(not counting a lot of drug addicts who don't (and shouldn't) have guns.

And what about those in NY who aren't as privileged as you and live in dangerous areas or have to commute through dangerous areas? What about all those subway attacks and attacks on Asians that we see almost on a weekly basis now in New York?

itachi15243 posted...

Why does the Supreme Court have to fuck up shit for everyone

Where I live in NY is actually pretty fucking safe(not counting a lot of drug addicts who don't (and shouldn't) have guns.

Uhhhh, the crackheads and junkies still arent able to legally procure a firearm.

DavidWilkerson posted...

And what about those in NY who aren't as privileged as you and live in dangerous areas or have to commute through dangerous areas? What about all those subway attacks and attacks on Asians that we see almost on a weekly basis now in New York?

Owning a handgun in New York city has literally been illegal for very long time. Why would you think good guys would just go pick up guns faster than all those violent people hurting people getting guns?

scorpion41 posted...

Uhhhh, the crackheads and junkies still arent able to legally procure a firearm.

It'll be easier

scorpion41 posted...

Uhhhh, the crackheads and junkies still arent able to legally procure a firearm.

itll be easier for them to acquire one now via theft

itachi15243 posted...

It'll be easier

OudeGeuze posted...

itll be easier for them to acquire one now via theft

Itll be as easy as it was before. This ruling doesnt magically make firearms appear out of thin air.

DavidWilkerson posted...

And what about those in NY who aren't as privileged as you and live in dangerous areas or have to commute through dangerous areas? What about all those subway attacks and attacks on Asians that we see almost on a weekly basis now in New York?

The subway is not nearly as dangerous as you or all the right wing chuds make it out to be.

scorpion41 posted...

Itll be as easy as it was before. This ruling doesnt magically make firearms appear out of thin air.

It used to be that you couldn't even get someone to show you a pistol or certain things without a concealed carry license up front, now it looks like you can literally buy a pistol and walk away promising you won't conceal it.

itachi15243 posted...

It used to be that you couldn't even get someone to show you a pistol or certain things without a concealed carry license up front, now it looks like you can literally buy a pistol and walk away promising you won't conceal it.

Still have to go and buy the gun which I don't think is going to be any easier than it was before.

Besides, New Yorkers can't afford to buy guns, they're spending 90% of their pay on rent.