Current Events > Supreme Court rules in favor of conceal carry in New York State.

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Hop103 posted...

Good, you need a gun in NYC especially near the subway, the subway is a death chamber.

Have any stats to back up that incredible claim?

gunplagirl posted...

https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1539982771396960257?t=1c2jIr2cf-QzMksfCDz-3g&s=19

This and the replies

What are some of the choice replies?

SiO4 posted...

They are giving their donors what they wanted.

The uber rich don't want an armed prole class.

Personally, I think the left should be arming itself on a massive rate. The way things are going, I think we should be able to defend ourselves from roving group of right wing death squads.

pogo_rabid posted...

The uber rich don't want an armed prole class.

Personally, I think the left should be arming itself on a massive rate. The way things are going, I think we should be able to defend ourselves from roving group of right wing death squads.

I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet.
I'm not advocating for it...it would be a blood bath.
But I am surprised it hasn't happened.

SiO4 posted...

I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet.
I'm not advocating for it...it would be a blood bath.
But I am surprised it hasn't happened.

How I see it, pandora's box was opened a long time ago. Even if every single firearm was confiscated, for years and years companies were pumping out the "80% lowers" so anyone with basic power tools could make their own firearms easily. The right has their arsenal stockpiled that the gov't doesn't know about and can be deployed at a moment's notice.

The left needs to counter this. Depending on cops who may very well side with the right or do nothing (Uvalde) when the time comes is not a viable plan.

Sure semiautomatic weapons won't do shit against tanks, but then again, the taliban kind of did win the war in afganistan multiple times by outlasting a superior military force with basic firearms.

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The moment African Americans begin getting their permits en masse, and start buying firearms is the moment the NRA suddenly begins supporting firearm regulations.

Dems in shambles about their Constitutional rights being protected.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Dems in shambles about their Constitutional rights being protected.

Yet somehow I'm sure you'll be cheering when the constitutional right to an abortion is removed

pogo_rabid posted...

The moment African Americans begin getting their permits en masse, and start buying firearms is the moment the NRA suddenly begins supporting firearm regulations.

From some stuff I'm reading that was one of the reasons for the laws. I don't know the history of it and haven't researched it but there's a lot of comments about how the cops used the law that was just struck down to deny guns to Black and other POC. So isn't this striking down a potentially racist law?

Again, haven't researched it, just some stuff I read that I thought was interesting and worth looking into further.

Nerevar791 posted...

Yet somehow I'm sure you'll be cheering when the constitutional right to an abortion is removed

Correct. When SCOTUS correctly points out that there is no constitutional right to execute your child, I'll throw a party.

Enjoy your right to self defense. It's right there in the second.

https://twitter.com/RonBrownstein/status/1539981495439204355

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I think you meant 62

There's some real backwards logic in #62.

It's bad to remove unwanted cells from your body, but it's okay to be able to carry a weapon that kill other people where ever you go.

Plus last I've heard the issue of children being killed has been from guns.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Correct. When SCOTUS correctly points out that there is no constitutional right to execute your child, I'll throw a party.

Enjoy your right to self defense. It's right there in the second.

You don't have to get an abortion. Just shut the fuck up and let other people get them.

Republicans get appalled when they are moderated on social media, so they think the proper response is to use the government to brand people they don't like as murderers and child molesters.

I'm glad you'll be throwing a party while I'm dragged to death row for existing in a way that offends you.

Move to fucking Saudi Arabia if you hate freedom so much.

@ThePrinceFish

Like seriously, how the fuck can you be a part of the party that constantly complains about federal government overreach and loss of personal liberty, and then say you're celebrating that unelected judges are overriding both state and individual rights.

Break it down for me. Evil criminals like me are pretty stupid.

hockeybub89 posted...

Like seriously, how the fuck can you be a part of the party that constantly complains about federal government overreach and loss of personal liberty, and then say you're celebrating that unelected judges are overriding both state and individual rights.

As always, Republicans get to tell others what to do, nobody gets to tell them what to do. As someone better than me put it, the hypocrisy doesn't hurt them, they revel in it. It's a show of power.

hockeybub89 posted...

@ThePrinceFish

Like seriously, how the fuck can you be a part of the party that constantly complains about federal government overreach and loss of personal liberty, and then say you're celebrating that unelected judges are overriding both state and individual rights.

Break it down for me. Evil criminals like me are pretty stupid.

Pretty easily, since it's as simple as following the Constitution. The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms, so you do. It says nothing about the right to scrape the "unwanted cells" (of your child) out of your body, so until the legislature says you do per the 10th, you don't. It's really that simple.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Pretty easily, since it's as simple as following the Constitution. The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms, so you do. It says nothing about the right to scrape the "unwanted cells" (of your child) out of your body, so until the legislature says you do per the 10th, you don't. It's really that simple.

I hope you never shed skin, because you think removing cells from your party is a crime.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Pretty easily, since it's as simple as following the Constitution. The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms, so you do. It says nothing about the right to scrape the "unwanted cells" (of your child) out of your body, so until the legislature says you do per the 10th, you don't. It's really that simple.

So since the Constitution doesn't explicitly say I have a right to be gay, I am out of luck? When I get arrested as a "groomer", you'll shrug your shoulders and suggest I should have been a founding father to write a different Bill of Rights?

ThePrinceFish posted...

Pretty easily, since it's as simple as following the Constitution. The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms, so you do. It says nothing about the right to scrape the "unwanted cells" (of your child) out of your body, so until the legislature says you do per the 10th, you don't. It's really that simple.

The constitution doesn't also state you have a right to marry. Should SCOTUS strike that down too? You know, since it isn't on the constitution.

The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew that 250 years later, laws in this country were being legislated by six judges viewing their words as gospel, interpreting them in an extremely narrow way.

Skype posted...

The constitution doesn't also state you have a right to marry. Should SCOTUS strike that down too? You know, since it isn't on the constitution.

They should also take away his car and shutdown the Internet. The Constitution wasn't written with all of our modern, snowflake conveniences in mind.

Legally speaking, what NYC did is complete bullshit where only the rich and powerful can get guns. So on one hand, I'm all for this. They should make licensure harder, like have a knowledge test, practical test, psychological test, etc. But I also wonder if having these type of tests will get challenged again...

ThePrinceFish posted...

Pretty easily, since it's as simple as following the Constitution. The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms, so you do. It says nothing about the right to scrape the "unwanted cells" (of your child) out of your body, so until the legislature says you do per the 10th, you don't. It's really that simple.

The second amendment doesn't say YOU have the right to bear arms. Here's literally what it says:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I take this to interpret that a well regulated Militia, made up of the people, shall have the right to keep and bear arms.

IdiotMachine posted...

The second amendment doesn't say YOU have the right to bear arms. Here's literally what it says:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I take this to interpret that a well regulated Militia, made up of the people, shall have the right to keep and bear arms.

Well poorly educated people like @ThePrinceFish think it means "literally any rules on weapons are bad".

But then he'll definitely pigeon hole the First Amendment when his people continue to oppress the freedoms of minorities more and more.

IdiotMachine posted...

The second amendment doesn't say YOU have the right to bear arms. Here's literally what it says:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I take this to interpret that a well regulated Militia, made up of the people, shall have the right to keep and bear arms.

The militia is the whole of the citizenry. We know this both from the writings of the founding fathers, and from court precedent. The amendment exists to ensure the government cannot prevent a citizen from exercising his right to bear arms in order to participate in the well-regulated militia to defend themselves and ensure a free state.

pogo_rabid posted...

The moment African Americans begin getting their permits en masse, and start buying firearms is the moment the NRA suddenly begins supporting firearm regulations.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/623356/gun-ownership-in-the-us-by-ethnicity/

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/546454-gun-ownership-among-black-americans-is-soaring/

I don't see any pro 2A individuals or the NRA clamoring for stricter gun control.

ThePrinceFish posted...

The militia is the whole of the citizenry. We know this both from the writings of the founding fathers, and from court precedent. The amendment exists to ensure the government cannot prevent a citizen from exercising his right to bear arms in order to participate in the well-regulated militia to defend themselves and ensure a free state.

So do you literally think any restrictions on arms is a violation?

Also, how do you feel about people ensuring a free state in response to the growing Republican tyranny?

hockeybub89 posted...

So do you literally think any restrictions on arms is a violation?

Also, how do you feel about people ensuring a free state in response to the growing Republican tyranny?

Yes. The second amendment does not grant you the right to bear arms. It says the government has no authority to infringe on that right. So any ban on any arms is unconstitutional. To place any infringement on an armament would require a constitutional amendment.

As hysterical as you are, I'd still recommend you exercise your second amendment rights to arm yourself. Feel free to spend all your time rocking in your closet holding a weapon, as is your right in this blessed land.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Yes. The second amendment does not grant you the right to bear arms. It says the government has no authority to infringe on that right. So any ban on any arms is unconstitutional. To place any infringement on an armament would require a constitutional amendment.

As hysterical as you are, I'd still recommend you exercise your second amendment rights to arm yourself. Feel free to spend all your time rocking in your closet holding a weapon, as is your right in this blessed land.

So, in your opinion, the government has been infringing on the 2nd Amendment basically the entire history of the country?

Why do you think the government has a right to restrict my rights and brand me a child molester and murder enthusiast? God can shove his fucking blessing up his ass if he can't protect me from a fascist government. It's not fair that my life is gonna be cut short by a supposedly freedom loving party. I really don't understand why they can't move to some third-world shithole and let us live free.

The constitution says nothing about age of consent, but I guess now I know why the right is obsessed with making rulings solely based on the exact wording in the constitution.

hockeybub89 posted...

So, in your opinion, the government has been infringing on the 2nd Amedment basically the entire history of the country?

Why do you think the government has a right to restrict my rights and brand me a child molester and murder enthusiast? God can shove his fucking blessing up his ass if he can't protect me from a fascist government.

Yeah, politicians will infringe on anything they can to grab power for themselves at the expense of the people. That's why it's important to celebrate victories against that unconstitutional bs.

Again, if you're concerned about your safety, I encourage you not to leave it up to God or the police to protect you. You have that right in this country.

This is a good thing. Laws that make it almost impossible for the average citizen to access and carry firearms is a violation of the 2A. Thats why that 1,000% tax bill the Democrats came up with will never become law. I hope NYers take advantage of this.

It's a shame seeing leftists oppose people arming themselves.

Marx was against people having their weapons taken from them. They are the only way the working class can defend themselves from the ruling class.

It is especially important for marginalized people to be able to arm themselves.

IdiotMachine posted...

The second amendment doesn't say YOU have the right to bear arms. Here's literally what it says:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I take this to interpret that a well regulated Militia, made up of the people, shall have the right to keep and bear arms.

9th amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Private gun ownership is a right not enumerated by the Constitution but cannot be disparged just because the 2nd amendment mentions the militia.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Yeah, politicians will infringe on anything they can to grab power for themselves at the expense of the people. That's why it's important to celebrate victories against that unconstitutional bs.

Again, if you're concerned about your safety, I encourage you not to leave it up to God or the police to protect you. You have that right in this country.

So you'll celebrate a restrictive government you agree with me and make it my responsibility to fight back against them? I'm sure you'll wholeheartedly pushback against your tyrannical government and totally not brand dissenters as terrorists putting your country and freedom at risk.

Skype posted...

The constitution doesn't also state you have a right to marry. Should SCOTUS strike that down too? You know, since it isn't on the constitution.

Wonder why @ThePrinceFish skipped this post.

FaultyCircuitry posted...

It's a shame seeing leftists oppose people arming themselves.

Marx was against people having their weapons taken from them. They are the only way the working class can defend themselves from the ruling class.

It is especially important for marginalized people to be able to arm themselves.

You're too smart to think the Republicans and their pet justices will allow us to defend ourselves as they slowly chip away our rights in preparation of their 2024 coronation

We can't view these rulings in a vacuum. The Republicans are letting us know that they have us all by the balls as long as they keep the Supreme Court. They have become kings.

Skype posted...

Wonder why @ThePrinceFish skipped this post.

Because I'm not going to answer every stupid "this isn't in the Constitution, huh, how about that?!" post when I've already mentioned the 10th amendment.

NYC was already falling apart with the hate crimes and rise in police misconduct. Shit went from best city in the country to one of the worst real quick

ThePrinceFish posted...

Because I'm not going to answer every stupid "this isn't in the Constitution, huh, how about that?!" post when I've already mentioned the 10th amendment.

But you said you'll celebrate the federal government taking away the moral good of allowing women to kill any fetuses they don't want. What happened to states rights?

Why even have a country if people are murderers and child molesters depending on borders? Why not have 50 countries instead?

Expand the god damn court.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Because I'm not going to answer every stupid "this isn't in the Constitution, huh, how about that?!" post when I've already mentioned the 10th amendment.

You mean how the 10th amendment also protects the rights to abortion in states, therefore, not fundamentally unconstitutional?

You didn't think that one through.

hockeybub89 posted...

But you said you'll celebrate the federal government taking away the moral good of allowing women to kill any fetuses they don't want. What happened to states rights?

Why even have a country if people are murderers and child molesters depending on borders? Why not have 50 countries instead?

When Roe v Wade goes away, you know it won't outlaw abortions nationwide, right? It will... become a states issue consistent with the 10th amendment.

Hopefully soon after that, the Court recognizes that the government is as responsible for protecting the lives of fetuses the same as any other American. But that's a different court case.

ThePrinceFish posted...

he Court recognizes that the government is as responsible for protecting the lives of fetuses

Lmao