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Scarecrow17 06/22/22 1:06:55 AM #1: |
This brings us to Final Fantasy XVI. While the Sony State of Play game trailer showed familiar summons that have become icons in the franchise, it showed little else that felt like players were about to enter a Final Fantasy game. The slower, more methodical turned-based combat system is gone in favor of something that looks ripped straight from Devil May Cry. The fantastical setting is gone too, in favor of a more realistic medieval setting with dark undertones akin to a Souls game. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/06/21/final-fantasy-16-naoki-yoshida-square-enix/ --- His foundation lie in the holy mountain. Selah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scarecrow17 06/22/22 1:07:42 AM #2: |
GI: Throughout the trailer, there are a number of health bars on the top of the screen, both in human vs human fights and Eikon vs Eikon battles. Whats going on with these, and are they meant to be reminiscent of fighting games? https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2022/06/21/an-interview-with-naoki-yoshida-on-eikons-boss-fights-and-when-well-see-more --- His foundation lie in the holy mountain. Selah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scarecrow17 06/22/22 1:08:47 AM #3: |
Instead, Yoshida says, Final Fantasy 16 will focus on area-based design in a manner that sounds similar to Pokmon Legends: Arceus, which was likewise assumed to be a pure open world world game when it was first announced last year. But while Final Fantasy wont be a traditional open world game in itself, Yoshida does say that it will take a lot of inspiration from triple-A open world RPGs, though he doesnt name any specifics. https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-16-open-world --- His foundation lie in the holy mountain. Selah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SomeLikeItHoth 06/22/22 1:18:04 AM #4: |
Not good news. Hopefully XVII will be better. --- FAM FOREVER. | https://i.imgur.com/cGrHeeU.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 06/22/22 1:28:35 AM #5: |
When youre thinking about the future of the Final Fantasy franchise, you have to aim at that generation of players that have never touched a Final Fantasy before, Yoshida said in an interview with The Washington Post. I feel like this has been the goal since after 10 and its never worked, and will likely continue to not work. Just make something to excite the fans you do have first. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperShake666 06/22/22 1:38:16 AM #6: |
Zeeak4444 posted... I feel like this has been the goal since after 10 and its never worked, and will likely continue to not work. The amount of people I've met in FF14, the game Yoshi-P makes before 16, that have never played a Final Fantasy game is surprisingly high. So if anyone can make it work, it'd be him. --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivany2008 06/22/22 1:43:33 AM #7: |
I get why people like the direction of action rpg, I just wish they had a side franchise that focused solely on turn-based. It's become so common to have action rpgs these days, and they used to be the kings of turn-based games. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightmare_Luna 06/22/22 1:45:55 AM #8: |
Ivany2008 posted... I just wish they had a side franchise that focused solely on turn-basedthey have one its called bravely default and its not great --- How to play Monster Hunter Step 1: Hit the monster. Step 2: Don't get hit. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 06/22/22 1:46:26 AM #9: |
Ivany2008 posted... I get why people like the direction of action rpg, I just wish they had a side franchise that focused solely on turn-based. It's become so common to have action rpgs these days, and they used to be the kings of turn-based games.They're bringing back Tactics Ogre. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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fire_bolt 06/22/22 1:47:18 AM #10: |
Yeah, this sounds terrible but I'm used to terrible for mainline FF games at this point frankly. SE is horrible about profit chasing without actually considering what people want OR how to actually make the games properly. FF series has been in the shitter for literal decades at this point sadly Not counting the MMOs which are obviously a different beast entirely we've had: FF pretending to be a single player MMO (FF12), FF but the lead dev's waifu gets to star in 3 games (FF13 trilogy), and FF single player MMO RETURNS (now featuring Kingdom Hearts combat): The Boy Band Road Trip (FF15) --- If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 06/22/22 1:52:06 AM #11: |
I find it weird they're not just copying FFVII Remake's combat system. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/22/22 1:55:01 AM #12: |
Each Eikon fight will differ? So Nier games then? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KeeperOfShadows 06/22/22 2:07:19 AM #13: |
Basically sounds like XV, without going full open world. Hopefully they do it better this time. --- Currently playing: DFFOO, Priconne ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/22/22 2:11:12 AM #14: |
Not open world? Thank God. The best parts of FFXV were toward the end when the free-roaming was pared out and the story was more linear. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlockAddition 06/22/22 2:13:03 AM #15: |
SomeLikeItHoth posted... Not good news. Hopefully XVII will be better.I've been clinging to this broken dream since X-2 --- signature ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chadwick69 06/22/22 2:16:36 AM #16: |
Good news to me, I'm sick of this open world craze. Do you all really enjoy running around empty landscapes mashing the pickup button on a bunch of random plants? --- Xe/Xim ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poorly 06/22/22 2:18:36 AM #17: |
BlockAddition posted... I've been clinging to this broken dream since X-2 BlockAddition posted... I've been clinging to this broken dream since X-2Yuna hasn't been herself ever-increasing x-2 Where's the calm and collected woman that she was once. I don't like how we're given the choice to date her event hough she was heavily pregnant by wakka in the sequel. Like can't Tidus get he want ? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pfh1001 06/22/22 2:29:09 AM #18: |
Zeeak4444 posted... When youre thinking about the future of the Final Fantasy franchise, you have to aim at that generation of players that have never touched a Final Fantasy before, Yoshida said in an interview with The Washington Post. Agreed. This game sounds like the opposite of what would get me interested in the series again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SomeLikeItHoth 06/22/22 2:30:20 AM #19: |
Chadwick69 posted... Good news to me, I'm sick of this open world craze. Do you all really enjoy running around empty landscapes mashing the pickup button on a bunch of random plants?Uh yes. BlockAddition posted... I've been clinging to this broken dream since X-2Same fam. --- FAM FOREVER. | https://i.imgur.com/cGrHeeU.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 06/22/22 2:53:18 AM #20: |
SuperShake666 posted... The amount of people I've met in FF14, the game Yoshi-P makes before 16, that have never played a Final Fantasy game is surprisingly high. So if anyone can make it work, it'd be him. MMOs are a whole different breed. Those same people who never played 13 or 15 arent gonna turn around and go play 16. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shotgunnova 06/22/22 2:58:39 AM #21: |
The more I hear about this game, the less interested I am. --- Take me down from the ridge where the summer ends And watch the city spread out just like a jet's flame ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xavier_On_High 06/22/22 3:24:27 AM #22: |
Scarecrow17 posted... One of the main themes thats explored in Final Fantasy XVIs narrative deals with a clash of ideals. What is right and wrong? Should the people live the life that was chosen for them, or should they have the right to choose the path that they walk? Ah so it's, you know, a Final Fantasy game?. --- http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltnafhjcUz1qmxswbo1_500.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom Clark 06/22/22 3:31:57 AM #23: |
pegusus123456 posted... I find it weird they're not just copying FFVII Remake's combat system. This. For all it's other faults, 7R absolutely nailed the concept of taking the classic ATB system and merging it with the more modern action-y style. It was the best of both worlds. I actually think that, in a vacuum, how they're describing XVI sounds really good. It just doesn't sound like what I want from a mainline FF game. It sounds closer to SoP than the classics, and there's definitely room for that style of game in the FF universe. I'm looking forward to it. And, I'd wager, if they'd named it Final Fantasy Clive or something, rather than FFXVI, everyone would be absolutely giddy at the prospect of a FF DMC game, there'd be memes everywhere about Eidolon Kaiju battles and so on. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed that this is FFXVI - I know that the series evolves and changes with every iteration, but there's always been a sort of natural progression. XV may be unrecognisable compared to VI or VII, but it makes sense as a follow up to XIII. This feels like such a huge departure, and the fact that they've made it a mainline entry instead of a standalone action game carries the unfortunate implication that they don't intend to go back to the "classic" feel of mainline Final Fantasy, even in its more modernised form. I think it sounds great, I'm really looking forward to it, but I wish it wasn't FFXVI. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scarecrow17 06/22/22 7:06:53 AM #24: |
Im optimistic about Final Fantasy XVI but I agree with some of you that I wish this wasnt mainline Final Fantasy. Im just glad that theres going to be party members. Hopefully, all of them are likable and memorable. gunplagirl posted... Each Eikon fight will differ? So Nier games then? Yes, it sounds like the development team are incorporating different gameplay mechanics for each Eikon fight to keep them interesting and unique. --- His foundation lie in the holy mountain. Selah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ps2Twilight 06/22/22 7:11:41 AM #25: |
This weird pining for the "classic Final fantasy" has been going on for over decade. It's time to let go, bros. I'm in for the changes given the hands the game is on. --- http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/Arcana_photos/logo.gif http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/Arcana_photos/ps2twilight.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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fire_bolt 06/22/22 8:42:49 AM #26: |
Ps2Twilight posted... This weird pining for the "classic Final fantasy" has been going on for over decade. It's time to let go, bros. Like, it's not a desire for a "classic FF game" that has me uninterested in this. It's the desire for a good game. FF 12 was ok. FF 13 series was hot garbage. FF 15 was a half assed mediocre proof of concept at best. This is sounding like more of the same. Compare that to FF 4-10 where every game is still critically renown as some of the best in the genre (well, 8 is pretty divisive but even it's above average). I'm fucking tired of change for the sake of change. Hell, I'd be ok if they spent a few years taking FF 15's game play and polishing it into a great thing rather as long as the end result was quality instead of whatever hell this is going to be --- If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr 06/22/22 8:47:19 AM #27: |
I think I'm okay with at least giving it a shot. My favorite was FF4 and that isn't really open world. Sure there's literally an open world, but you can't do anything in it for the most part and you're kind of limited to going where the story takes you. I don't see "not open world" as corridor after corridor like a huge chunk of FF13 was. --- "No. I'm a man so theyll get me a full size McDouble." - DuncanWii https://i.imgur.com/cSxy3Od.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CARRRNE_ASADA 06/22/22 8:49:46 AM #28: |
Yay! Im excited. So effing tired of open world! --- SEXY SEXY! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordYeezus 06/22/22 8:58:00 AM #29: |
Corridor hype --- Life feels like one big gamble and I'm losing every bet. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivany2008 06/22/22 9:12:04 AM #30: |
I'll just come out and say it... Square-Enix sucks at making action rpgs. They have never been good at it. And as much as I like the bouncer, its a solid B at best. What they have been good at are turn-based rpgs, hence my desire for them to go back to that. It's like if I were a really great guitar player, but I chose to try and play the harp with no prior training. Just doesn't make sense. I'll get there eventually, but I could be making so much more money playing guitar. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkinsanity1 06/22/22 9:33:34 AM #31: |
FF fans are so picky. I enjoy pretty much every FF that I have played, which is all of the main line titles except for the MMO ones, though even those if I had played them I'd probably like. From the trailers it looks like a lot of fun. But even if I hadn't seen the trailer, just knowing that the combat director for DMC is heading up the gameplay design would be enough, plus the fact that it's a FF game. --- Every time you read this, squirrels randomly burst into flames. Think of the squirrels. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Darkinsanity-1468/hero/1924799 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 06/22/22 10:32:00 AM #32: |
The only thing that I don't like is the AI party members. Everything else sounds pretty good, and like they're making up for how bad XV was. Still don't like Clive as the protag, but everything else looks like it's being polished pretty well. Ivany2008 posted... I'll just come out and say it... Square-Enix sucks at making action rpgs.Yoshi-P says this himself in one of the interviews lol. He said beyond the Kingdom Hearts games, Square basically isn't that great at them. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivany2008 06/22/22 12:45:56 PM #33: |
Rharyx211 posted... The only thing that I don't like is the AI party members. Everything else sounds pretty good, and like they're making up for how bad XV was. Still don't like Clive as the protag, but everything else looks like it's being polished pretty well. I'm struggling right now to get through Kingdom Hearts 3. Ignoring the story obviously missing Square-Enix characters, the controls are just bad. I would like to rebind the keys to something usable for me, but sadly they don't allow that. Coupled with a couple of the ultimate spells being wtf why am I zooming in on Sora I can't see where I'm going. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 06/22/22 3:15:24 PM #34: |
Yeah, KH3's combat isn't the greatest thing in the world, but it's snappy and easy to figure out. It's not bad by any real measure, beyond a lot of it relying on RNG when it comes to your stronger attacks and the reactions that pop up above the menu. I'm sure Yoshi-P meant KH in general, not specifically a single entry. But even then, the team that made KH3 has improved quite a bit from their previous work on the handheld entries. I hear the DLC fights are great. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vyrulisse 06/22/22 4:42:03 PM #35: |
Sounds like good news all around to me. Not every game has to be fucking open world and I'm a Bethesda game fan. Area-based where they can have more variation and tighter, more focused presentation is preferable in a JRPG to me. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk9mMbOpAaA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/22/22 4:46:52 PM #36: |
Linear is good, why does every game need to be open world? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 06/22/22 6:31:20 PM #37: |
I do really enjoy open world, but FF15 proved Square doesn't know how to do it. That world was barren (also it wasn't really open world in the first place). So I'm glad it's not open world this time around. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raikuro 06/22/22 6:40:00 PM #38: |
Forspoken is out in a few months if people are desperate for an open world action RPG from squeenix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 06/22/22 6:41:26 PM #39: |
AI party members sucked in Tales of and it's gonna suck here. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 06/22/22 7:03:31 PM #40: |
fire_bolt posted... Yeah, this sounds terrible but I'm used to terrible for mainline FF games at this point frankly.FFXV plays nothing like Kingdom Hearts. --- When Kaidou fails to keep up with Luffy in their next fight remember this conversation - MrDrMan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 06/22/22 7:08:57 PM #41: |
Yeah, the original concept of Vs13 was to have KH combat, but that is not at all what the end result ended up being. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kawalimus 06/22/22 7:12:26 PM #42: |
Zeeak4444 posted... When youre thinking about the future of the Final Fantasy franchise, you have to aim at that generation of players that have never touched a Final Fantasy before, Yoshida said in an interview with The Washington Post. To be fair original FF7 was probably the best example of this of any FF, and it was the most successful ever and to this day. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scarecrow17 06/22/22 8:17:10 PM #43: |
Raikuro posted... Forspoken is out in a few months if people are desperate for an open world action RPG from squeenix I feel like that game is going to be ass. The gameplay shown so far has not looked fun to play and the particle effects at the moment are ridiculous. The open world itself looked empty and the character(s) talk way too much while traversing. Hopefully the delay turns the game around for the better but I'm expecting Forspoken to be extremely mediocre. I would like to be wrong, though. --- His foundation lie in the holy mountain. Selah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jumi 06/22/22 8:56:33 PM #44: |
"When youre thinking about the future of the Final Fantasy franchise, you have to aim at that generation of players that have never touched a Final Fantasy before," Yoshida said in an interview with The Washington Post. No you fucking don't. You dance with the one that brought you. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 06/22/22 9:17:49 PM #45: |
Yeahhh, Square seems sort of out of touch when it comes to things like that, where they try to appeal to the largest common denominator first, and the fans who've stuck around second. "A Final Fantasy for fans and first timers," my ass. Kingdom Hearts suffers with this too with making so much of KH3's story a recap to catch up players who didn't play the side games, breaking the pacing, and trying to make the story digestable to people who -- frankly, if they didn't play the side games -- don't care about the story. They need to make games for the fans who've been supporting the games. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kawalimus 06/23/22 11:20:39 AM #46: |
KH is different though as it's a running series and not separate games. Again FF7 was the ultimate example of breaking hugely from the previous formula. Completely modern/futuristic setting complete with global warming allegory, 3D, new magic system, only 3 party members, etc. Believe it or not there were a lot of fans back then who hated what they did with FF7 and though the series should have "stuck with its roots" etc. So I really do understand that line of thinking. Not that I trust modern Square to make anything on par with that today. But I'm fine with doing something completely new and different. They took a huge risk with FF7 of alienating the entire fanbase but it's what ended up turning FF from just a popular JRPG series to *the* JRPG series. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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