Board 8 > Pokemon Masters 8 Match-ups Revealed *SPOILERS*

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BlueCrystalTear
08/04/22 3:02:50 PM
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Shattered
08/04/22 4:40:37 PM
#102:


Have they specifically said he's still 10? I assume they have but wasn't sure if they just never mentioned his age and left it ambiguous as to whether time had actually passed or not.
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Emeraldegg
08/11/22 12:15:48 PM
#103:


You know what I just had a thought about? I want to see the biggest asspull fitting for ash's final challenge.

Give us Dynamax'd Mega Lucario despite us never having seen a mega d/gmax before.

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Mewtwo59
08/11/22 12:56:08 PM
#104:


Why stop there? Let him use Max Corkscrew Crash too.

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_PandaMaster_
08/11/22 2:45:58 PM
#105:


Emeraldegg posted...
the biggest asspull fitting for ash's final challenge.

Ash's Charizard returns after eating the "Orange Islands Dragonite" and ROFLSTOMPS Leon's entire team with a hacked moveset?

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Shattered
08/11/22 3:30:59 PM
#106:


Tobias arrives riding Arceus and curbstomps them both
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charmander6000
08/13/22 6:08:38 PM
#107:


The latest episode gave power level stats for the semifinalists, if anyone is interested...

Leon
Attack - 5/5
Defense - 5/5
Speed - 5/5
Strategy - 4/5
Experience - 4/5
Unpredictability - 4/5

Cynthia
Attack - 5/5
Defense - 5/5
Speed - 4/5
Strategy - 5/5
Experience - 5/5
Unpredictability - 3/5

Diantha
Attack - 4/5
Defense - 5/5
Speed - 4/5
Strategy - 5/5
Experience - 4/5
Unpredictability - 4/5

Ash
Attack - 5/5
Defense - 3/5
Speed - 5/5
Strategy - 2/5
Experience - 2/5
Unpredictability - 5/5

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_PandaMaster_
08/13/22 6:25:42 PM
#108:


charmander6000 posted...
Ash
Unpredictability - 5/5

Hmm.........

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XIII_Rocks
08/14/22 5:26:26 PM
#109:


A preview for Ash/Cynthia was released, but it's a bit spoilery if you want to avoid it.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/14/22 5:42:53 PM
#110:


charmander6000 posted...
Ash
Strategy - 2/5
Unpredictability - 5/5
I think I can see why he's become so good: He improvises, rather than going in with a plan. Sometimes he looks like an idiot, other times a genius. Whichever the writers want.

But yeah, Ash's stats are pretty spot on. He's always favored fast, hard-hitting Pokemon and only really ever bothered with defensive maneuvering with countershield in DP. The experience thing is weird considering... he's been 10 y/o for 25 years and been through many regions. But that's just the reality the anime wants to create. Ash should be 35 y/o and a very seasoned veteran now.

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charmander6000
08/14/22 6:08:49 PM
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I think the experience rating is fair (maybe bump it up to a 3) when you consider the level of competition. Outside of maybe Iris, Ash is the youngest person in the tournament while canonically, Cynthia, Diantha, Lance and Leon have been champions for years. He is definitely the least experienced person in the semifinals.

It's like in professional sports where they say one player has below average skill. It's all relative. It doesn't mean he's not going to get out-skilled by some random person watching him on tv.

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Emeraldegg
08/19/22 1:11:18 PM
#112:


So is ash/cynthia today?

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charmander6000
08/19/22 1:20:21 PM
#113:


No they took a break this week.

Leon/Diantha starts next week.

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XIII_Rocks
08/19/22 3:50:19 PM
#114:


Yeah the tournament has been ravaged by scheduling breaks and idiotic Chloe episodes.

Hopefully they're still able to do 3 parts for Ash/Leon in October before this wraps up.

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Mewtwo59
08/19/22 4:44:06 PM
#115:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I think I can see why he's become so good: He improvises, rather than going in with a plan. Sometimes he looks like an idiot, other times a genius. Whichever the writers want.

But yeah, Ash's stats are pretty spot on. He's always favored fast, hard-hitting Pokemon and only really ever bothered with defensive maneuvering with countershield in DP. The experience thing is weird considering... he's been 10 y/o for 25 years and been through many regions. But that's just the reality the anime wants to create. Ash should be 35 y/o and a very seasoned veteran now.

The way they did experience is pretty weird, anyway. Diantha is the oldest of the four by quite a bit, but Cynthia still beats her in experience. I can buy beating Leon (maybe he's like 22 and she's like 28 or something, which gives her the edge even if they both started at 10), but Diantha should have them all beat.

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charmander6000
08/19/22 4:52:15 PM
#116:


Maybe her acting career distracted her from Pokemon battles?

I'm still hoping for a three episode Ash/Leon battle, but these breaks are cutting things pretty close. We still need to finish Goh's stuff too. There's still enough time for a three-parter, but for every future break the chance of a two episode battle increases.

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XIII_Rocks
08/19/22 6:27:03 PM
#117:


Also, today is the 12-year anniversary of the show's best ever battle (by a landslide), Ash/Paul.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/19/22 6:40:44 PM
#118:


XIII_Rocks posted...
Yeah the tournament has been ravaged by scheduling breaks and idiotic Chloe episodes.
And two of them were recap episodes. Like... what the literal fuck? What kind of show takes a break from something this climactic with three weeks' worth of mostly flashbacks? Just do one recap and maybe a quality story episode before getting back to what people want to see.

That said, if they're highlighting what happened before on top of the "grand finale" battles and all these cameo appearances from characters over the years... it's really making me think this is the end. If they don't end Goh's story now, he's going to be the new main character.

Champion-wise... Alder is by far the oldest, but he ain't here, he's retired. Diantha is second-oldest, but I guess age doesn't equate to experience. Cynthia and Garchomp have been battling endlessly for a long time. Maybe Diantha got a slow start - could be Kalos culture. Who knows?

I also don't know if I mentioned this, but it does kinda irk me that they evolved Iris's Axew all the way off-screen. Yes, I know he wanted to evolve, and he should have. It's just that we should have seen it, for the payoff. We got none instead. That's a large reason people don't care about Iris - her story never went anywhere when she was in the party, and everything after happened while she wasn't on the show at all.

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StealThisSheen
08/19/22 7:41:12 PM
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Mewtwo59 posted...
The way they did experience is pretty weird, anyway. Diantha is the oldest of the four by quite a bit, but Cynthia still beats her in experience. I can buy beating Leon (maybe he's like 22 and she's like 28 or something, which gives her the edge even if they both started at 10), but Diantha should have them all beat.

I agree with others that bring up the point that Diantha isn't purely a Pokemon trainer, she's also a famous actress, so that may cut into her experience.

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Mewtwo59
08/20/22 1:37:22 AM
#120:


If Diantha's acting hurts her experience, then I think Leon should be ahead of Cynthia, since Cynthia has her archeology thing, while Leon's sole focus is battling.

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StealThisSheen
08/20/22 1:51:07 AM
#121:


Mewtwo59 posted...
If Diantha's acting hurts her experience, then I think Leon should be ahead of Cynthia, since Cynthia has her archeology thing, while Leon's sole focus is battling.

Eh, that's more arguable. Leon's still relatively new, all considered, and Cynthia's archeology thing is more of a side hobby, while Diantha's acting was her main career. Diantha was specifically known more for being an actress first and foremost.

EDIT: Maybe I'm underestimating how important the "archeologist" part was to Cynthia's character, to be fair, but it was always presented as something she did alongside being a trainer, whereas Diantha was presented as being a famous actress that then became a trainer.

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charmander6000
08/26/22 8:31:42 AM
#122:


Not spoiling anything to let people some more time to watch the episode, but there are going to be a lot of anger towards today's episode I imagine.

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masterplum
08/26/22 9:07:49 AM
#123:


I am not watching. Spoil it for me

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XIII_Rocks
08/26/22 9:26:06 AM
#124:


masterplum posted...
I am not watching. Spoil it for me

It was mostly setup for Ash/Cynthia featuring a random girl getting lost

Then cuts to Leon/Diantha with Diantha down 4 Pokemon and Leon down just his Dragapult.

Diantha's Gardevour KOd Rillaboom and lost to Charizard. Battle got about 4 minutes of screentime and Leon won 4-0.

That said this was totally predictable, I was ready for it based on previews and episode titles etc. If Ash/Cynthia delivers, then it's fine.

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hombad46
08/26/22 9:31:38 AM
#125:


Diantha's Gardevour KOd Rillaboom

Leon won 4-0

Well one of these can't be true unless I just don't know how scoring works for this

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MrSmartGuy
08/26/22 9:35:56 AM
#126:


They both start with 6.

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hombad46
08/26/22 9:39:23 AM
#127:


That doesn't really explain why Gardevoir > Rillaboom doesn't count as a point for Diantha if I'm reading that right?

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KommunistKoala
08/26/22 9:42:30 AM
#128:


the score is the number of pokemon remaining

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hombad46
08/26/22 9:42:46 AM
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Ah, thanks

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BlueCrystalTear
08/26/22 9:49:57 AM
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Honestly... that's pretty dumb. You have this World Championship Tournament and, in the fucking semifinals, it's a 4-0 rout? Still predictable given the trailers and title, but... there's such a thing as making Leon TOO OP. This is it. They legit can't do a Tobias type of thing because of their setup. And they're trying to and I'm not believing it - it will be especially worse when Ash actually manages a fight as the 7-seed when the 5-seed got creamed. If Ash wins, that's quite the disservice to Diantha. Not that Diantha really has that many fans tbh.

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HashtagSEP
08/26/22 10:05:16 AM
#131:


I disagree that the problem is even Leon winning 4-0. The problem is they apparently show like none of the battle.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/26/22 10:12:32 AM
#132:


HashtagSEP posted...
I disagree that the problem is even Leon winning 4-0. The problem is they apparently show like none of the battle.
I would care about that if the battle had been as exciting as it was supposed to have been.

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XIII_Rocks
08/26/22 10:21:00 AM
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Oh sorry for the confusion, maybe 6-2 would have been a better way of saying it, idk

But yes Leon had 4 Pokemon left.

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XIII_Rocks
08/26/22 10:22:54 AM
#134:


Also yeah I guess they're setting up Ash facing Leon and getting him down to the last Pokemon which, given Leon's dominance, is a kind of victory in itself.

Ash beating Leon with how he's been built up somewhat stretches plausibility, but then the show's been doing that for its entire run.

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charmander6000
08/26/22 10:43:39 AM
#135:


Honestly, Ash getting Leon down to his last Pokemon is already stretching it. You'd have to argue that Ash's side of the bracket would crush Leon's side.

The only way Leon 4-0ing Diantha should be tolerable would be if he somehow setup against her and then swept her team.

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Omniscientless
08/26/22 10:58:57 AM
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I'm upset on behalf of Diantha's ten fans. Poor Lance, too...

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Shattered
08/26/22 11:25:52 AM
#137:


If they weren't going to show the battle and so not reveal his team, not sure why they had to have it so decisive. Like it should have been 6-4. Or even 6-3 but could have commented he switched out some that were on their last legs. That margin of victory at this point is stupid.

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XIII_Rocks
08/26/22 12:39:48 PM
#138:


Yeah - when I heard that the episode wasn't going to be fully devoted to the battle, I thought that was actually good news for Diantha because it would mean some of Leon's Pokemon could be KOd off-screen.

But no, they did something they could have done with a full episode (6-2/4-0 in one episode is very doable) anyway.

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SirChris
08/26/22 12:59:02 PM
#139:


Not showing this means the final is going to be amazing and they don't want to show off tricks, is my copium for the day

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voltch
08/26/22 4:02:56 PM
#140:


Boo Leon

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XIII_Rocks
09/02/22 7:18:02 AM
#141:


Ash vs. Cynthia started today.

Spiritomb knocked out Dragonite with Hypnosis and Dream Eater. Ash tried to pull a Sceptile and wake it up but nothing doing. Cynthia recalled Spiritomb, sent out Roserade.
Gengar burned Roserade (but I expect natural cure will fix that), Cynthia switched back to Spiritomb, Gengar got knocked out after hitting Tomb a couple of times
Cynthia switched again to Togekiss. Ash used Pikachu. Kiss used Serene Grace flinch hax to stop Pikachu's attacks, because Cynthia is the fucking worst, and then switched to Gastrodon.
Pikachu beat Gastrodon by hitting Stone Edge back at it then using Quick Attack. Spiritomb back out, Pikachu used COUNTER FUCKING SHIELD! To stop Hypnosis, and then was poised to beat Spiritomb before Cynthia used Destiny Bond for a double KO.

Score is Cynthia 4, Ash 3. Ash hasn't used Lucario, Sirfetchd or Dracovish yet. Cynthia's Garchomp and Milotic are fresh, while Togekiss and Roserade battled already.

Slow battle choreography - the days of XY's insanely fast battles are long gone - but the writing of Cynthia has been on point. Very intelligent, knows her stuff (great use of abilities and moves like Sucker Punch and Dbond) and a clear step ahead.

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Shattered
09/02/22 9:46:28 AM
#142:


Did they play her piano theme or battle theme?
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BlueCrystalTear
09/02/22 10:47:02 AM
#143:


That looks like a match I'll have to watch once it gets dubbed. The fact that they harkened back to the epic Sinnoh arc with the Sceptile wake-up mind-fuck and Counter Shield is just... awesome. And that battle sounds par for the course against Cynthia. She is everything a Champion should be, and she's got one hell of a good team. I'm also shocked that Pikachu got knocked out in the first episode but that's probably intentional - they wanted to surprise us with that. Who gets the honors here? We'll see. So far, so even.

I much prefer the epic, intense battles compared to the speedy "let's get this over with" variety of XY. Proper pacing in battles is huge. Ash vs. Paul had that, for example. Anything that's two or three episodes is properly paced.

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masterplum
09/02/22 11:13:47 AM
#144:


Go cynthia

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XIII_Rocks
09/02/22 12:09:08 PM
#145:


Shattered posted...
Did they play her piano theme or battle theme?

Not yet. That's never been done in anime form iirc and I doubt they'll use it now.

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Mewtwo59
09/02/22 12:50:06 PM
#146:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I'm also shocked that Pikachu got knocked out in the first episode but that's probably intentional - they wanted to surprise us with that. Who gets the honors here? We'll see. So far, so even.

They're probably setting up Lucario as Ash's ace here. I mean, they even took Lucario off of Cynthia's team. I don't think they pass up the Lucario vs Lucario otherwise.

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XIII_Rocks
09/02/22 2:07:45 PM
#147:


More I think about it the happier I am with how Cynthia has been presented. She's such a clear cut above here.

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BlueCrystalTear
09/02/22 2:16:59 PM
#148:


Mewtwo59 posted...
They're probably setting up Lucario as Ash's ace here. I mean, they even took Lucario off of Cynthia's team. I don't think they pass up the Lucario vs Lucario otherwise.
I mean... one of the seven had to go, since Gastrodon is DP only; in Platinum she has Togekiss instead. The father of your Togekiss. I figured they cut the Lucario because Ash had one too, but you make a good point saying they took it a step farther. And yeah, they're making Cynthia look like the badass she is - she's not popular solely due to aesthetics, after all.

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XIII_Rocks
09/04/22 2:06:15 PM
#149:


Also Cynthia, number 2 trainer in the world, going out of her way to take out Pikachu is so great. She brought Gastrodon as a specific counter to it and resorted to Destiny Bond to take it out. The rat finally getting the respect it deserves.

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BlueCrystalTear
09/04/22 2:11:31 PM
#150:


XIII_Rocks posted...
Also Cynthia, number 2 trainer in the world, going out of her way to take out Pikachu is so great. She brought Gastrodon as a specific counter to it and resorted to Destiny Bond to take it out. The rat finally getting the respect it deserves.
Well... Ash has had three stalkers trying to rip Pikachu off of him for the last 20 years, though less often now than before. That's respect by itself to some extent, even though those three stalkers frequently get killed and un-killed since they're weak.

But it IS nice that a legendary trainer was legitimately concerned about Pikachu's ability to use hax to take over matches.

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