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charmander6000
06/11/22 3:43:51 PM
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Most Hyped 1st Round Match




The bracket for the Masters 8 tournament has been revealed. Despite people wanting an Ash/Alain match, the top 4 seeds will face the bottom 4 seeds.

Leon vs. Alain
Lance vs. Diantha
Cynthia vs. Iris
Steven vs. Ash

The winner of Leon/Alain will face the winner of Lance/Diantha. While the winner of Cynthia/Iris will face the winner of Steven/Ash.

I guess they didn't want to make Cynthia a first round loser and have Alain defeat Steven so the two can meet in the semis. Regardless, this should be a great tournament.

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BlueCrystalTear
06/11/22 3:55:47 PM
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Okay, my bracket looks like:

Alain > Leon
Lance > Diantha
Cynthia > Iris
Ash > Steven

Alain > Lance
Ash > Cynthia

Ash > Alain

Lance/Diantha doesn't matter much since neither is making the finals to face Ash. I have Lance winning solely because nobody cares about Diantha.

I wouldn't be surprised if Iris upset Cynthia but even though Iris was a traveling companion, I believe Cynthia's still more popular. I think they want to satisfy the fans with some great battles and Ash/Iris wouldn't have any real emotion attached to it. Ash/Cynthia, meanwhile, would be EPIC.

An Ash/Alain rematch is what they probably want to set up. That would feel like Ash/Paul in the Sinnoh Conference. Ash wins and then his character is retired. No place for him to go from here.

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Mewtwo59
06/11/22 4:34:12 PM
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No way does Leon lose in the first round. He's in the finals against the winner of Ash/Cynthia.

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charmander6000
06/11/22 11:26:11 PM
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Yeah, it's really hard to see Leon losing before the finals.

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StealThisSheen
06/11/22 11:34:43 PM
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Leon's the #1 trainer in the world in the series. He's not losing round 1.

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Pirateking2000
06/11/22 11:36:51 PM
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Leon is beating Alain for Charizard supremacy. Sucks that Lance won't face Iris

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GavsEvans123
06/12/22 9:01:49 AM
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Alain is the guy who jobs to establish how strong Leon is. Alain beat Ash at his previous strongest, so we already know he's really strong, so him being beaten by Leon establishes him as being even stronger and shows just how much of a challenge Ash has ahead of him.

Ash won't fight Iris here, because he already fought and defeated her earlier in this series, so a rematch at this stage would be anticlimactic. As mentioned already, Cynthia is a fan favourite, while Iris is one of the less popular companions. (She was the least popular for a long time, but she's been redeemed a bit by now. I'm guessing Max is the least popular nowadays, since he's the only companion who hasn't returned or been mentioned in this series. He wasn't even popular enough to come back with May for her cameo in Sinnoh, so now that she's been retired because of her VA's retirement, he doesn't stand a chance of coming back alone.)

Fingers crossed Tobias returns after the tournament as a Tapu Koko style bonus boss for Ash to fight.
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swordz9
06/12/22 9:05:06 AM
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All I know is Im hoping Iris loses because shes terrible
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BlueCrystalTear
06/12/22 9:07:00 AM
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See I haven't been watching (or really following) the current series but am definitely interested in this. I didn't know how Leon had been portrayed. My bad. Switch Alain and Leon, then!

I thought Max was always the least popular companion. Iris was bottom 3. Though I'm not sure who from the many in S&M would be that low...

GavsEvans123 posted...
Fingers crossed Tobias returns after the tournament as a Tapu Koko style bonus boss for Ash to fight.
How many people in Japan would remember Tobias? I definitely remember him as the guy who won the Sinnoh League with hacked ubers, because how could I not?

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Tom Bombadil
06/12/22 10:25:56 AM
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comedy option Ash doesn't make it to the finals

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charmander6000
06/18/22 11:17:30 AM
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Not a good start to the tournament, they tried cramming the opening ceremony and Leon/Alain into one episode so it felt rushed.


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ShatteredElysium
06/18/22 1:35:50 PM
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I haven't watched the anime in a long time but this has me interested since it seems like it may end up being the finale? I can't believe Leon is the one who is supposed to be the best though, his design is just awful.

I'm guessing there's a chance Ash doesn't even make it past Cynthia?

EDIT: Just trying to watch a really bad sub of the episode now. Gigantmax seems like a silly mechanic to me. I'd seen it in the game but hadn't played sword/shield past a few hours
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charmander6000
06/18/22 2:10:36 PM
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Not sure what the plan is for after the tournament.

They won't completely end the anime, there's too much money for that to be a possibility. My thoughts is that they either retire Ash and start focusing on a new protagonist (may also backfire) or turn Ash into a mentor type character and we follow the journey of a new trainer.

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Waluigi1
06/20/22 10:50:04 AM
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Ash becomes the companion.

Btw, where can I watch this?

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Maniac64
06/20/22 12:11:20 PM
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The champ with the all legendary team not even being in this seems wrong.

Question from someone who hasn't been paying attention to the anime for years. What is Ash using for a team? Is it the team he won a league with or like an all star team from all seasons?

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charmander6000
06/20/22 12:21:28 PM
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It's a team he caught during the current generation plus Pikachu...

Pikachu
Gengar
Dragonite
Lucario
Dracovish
Sirfetch'd

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XIII_rocks
06/20/22 12:53:59 PM
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Yeah they deconfirmed reserves during the last episode which sucks so they're sticking with his on hand team.

Lucario is the ace and has had the most screentime.

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swordz9
06/20/22 12:56:46 PM
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Thats.quite a team for Ash
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charmander6000
06/20/22 1:09:54 PM
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They couldn't just give him NFE Pokemon (besides Pikachu) and make it believable that he could compete with the top trainers of the world.

Though to be fair, given what he's achieved at previous Pokemon leagues you could argue that he's around a top 50 trainer in the world while using NFE Pokemon.

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swordz9
06/20/22 1:12:09 PM
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I havent watched the anime in a while, but the team choice is just kinda weird to me. Dracovish is not something I thought would see any real screen time and the rest is basically Gen 1 and Lucario.
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DoomTheGyarados
06/20/22 1:13:01 PM
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Fetch'd is gen 8 tbf

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Maniac64
06/20/22 1:17:22 PM
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OK that might actually be as strong as any all star team you could make for him.

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swordz9
06/20/22 1:18:23 PM
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Is still an evolution of a Gen 1 though. Ash has so much Pokmon experience surely they couldve made his team more diverse at least
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XIII_rocks
06/20/22 1:21:57 PM
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I think it was based around giving him a kind of intrinsic credibility. Like swordz said, it's "quite a team" on paper - everyone knows Gengar, Dragonite and Luke are powerful Pokemon and Dracovish was banned competitively. And Sirfetch'd is a fan favourite I think

So it's designed to be like "ok yeah Ash is serious now"

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charmander6000
06/20/22 1:40:18 PM
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Maniac64 posted...
OK that might actually be as strong as any all star team you could make for him.

It is. Pikachu/Gengar/Dragonite/Lucario aren't going anywhere so at best you could replace Dracovish or Sirfetch'd with a previous ace Pokemon.

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XIII_rocks
06/20/22 3:27:40 PM
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It has been mooted, given the calibre of opponent Ash is now fighting and beating (he's beaten one Champion, an Elite 4 and is ranked number 8 in the entire known Pokeworld), that Ash's current team is literally just his strongest possible team.

It's a bit cheap and there are narrative shortcuts involved but just in terms of pure feats, the Zard etc might no longer be his best

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BlueCrystalTear
06/20/22 5:05:26 PM
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It would have been nice to have Charizard come back for a last hurrah. Pikachu + Charizard + Dragonite + Gengar + Lucario + Greninja (if possible) or Squirtle would've been a pretty killer team, combining current stars with fanservice. Especially if they do plan to retire Ash after all these years. That would not shock me since it's always possible that Rica Matsumoto is ready to be done after 25 years.

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charmander6000
06/20/22 5:19:26 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
It's a bit cheap and there are narrative shortcuts involved but just in terms of pure feats, the Zard etc might no longer be his best

Pretty much. Given what happened to Alain in his match against Leon, on paper Greninja would likely job to most opponents in the Masters 8. We have to remember that up until recently, Ash couldn't even defeat a single Pokemon from the Elite 4, yet with this team he's going toe to toe against Champions.

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Waluigi1
06/20/22 11:07:33 PM
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So... Is there anywhere to legally watch this??

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pyresword
06/20/22 11:57:10 PM
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The series is going up on Netflix dubbed in English on a delay. (It has up to like episode 90 where the stuff currently happening is around 115.) It's also for the time being on the Pokemon website with an even larger delay. I don't think there's any other way unless you speak Japanese. (ie. I don't think there is any official English version dubbed or subbed of the most up-to-date content which includes basically everything discussed in this topic.) I don't know where to legally find the series in Japanese if that's what you're looking for, since I never bothered to look into it.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81193140
https://www.netflix.com/title/81291575
https://watch.pokemon.com/en-us/#/season?id=pokemon-journeys-the-series

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GavsEvans123
06/22/22 3:21:54 PM
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I just had an idea about what might happen with the anime if Ash is indeed retired after this arc. Scarlet and Violet are doing past and future, so what if the anime did the same, switching between past and future every few episodes? The past episodes could have younger versions of adult trainers, and the future episodes could be a Boruto style time skip with Ash's children as the protagonists.
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Waluigi1
06/23/22 1:16:08 PM
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GavsEvans123 posted...
I just had an idea about what might happen with the anime if Ash is indeed retired after this arc. Scarlet and Violet are doing past and future, so what if the anime did the same, switching between past and future every few episodes? The past episodes could have younger versions of adult trainers, and the future episodes could be a Boruto style time skip with Ash's children as the protagonists.
That's a super interesting theory. I kinda dig it.

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Emeraldegg
06/23/22 1:20:11 PM
#33:


Maniac64 posted...
The champ with the all legendary team not even being in this seems wrong.

Question from someone who hasn't been paying attention to the anime for years. What is Ash using for a team? Is it the team he won a league with or like an all star team from all seasons?
IIRC tobias didn't actually become a league champion, he won a conference in the sinnoh league where cynthia reigns. It's possible he just chose not to pursue that much competitive battling or something. But he'd probably be way too OP for this.

Also I get why they did it but this bracket doesn't make IRL sense lol, #1 leon should be facing #8 ash, 2/7, 3/6, 4/5. It's too bad my guy steven has to get the first rd job.

What I'm rooting for is somehow ash beats lance along the way so he can claim championship of kanto in spirit but then losing to leon.

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charmander6000
06/23/22 2:26:43 PM
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Considering how badly Ash got beaten by Elite 4/Champions back in Sinnoh, the fact that Ash took out two of Tobias' Pokemon probably suggests he would probably lose easily to Cynthia/other champions.

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charmander6000
06/28/22 2:13:42 PM
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Keeping this alive until after the short anime break...

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BlueCrystalTear
07/05/22 12:18:39 AM
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charmander6000 posted...
Keeping this alive until after the short anime break...
I'll do the same.

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