Current Events > So dumb that gay/bi guys can't donate blood

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Simon_Gruber
05/27/22 2:00:00 PM
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It's 2022, time to change this shit.
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Xatrion
05/27/22 2:07:04 PM
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But, but, aids! And it might turn me gay! And some other stupid shit.

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Funkydog
05/27/22 2:08:56 PM
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At least many countries are changing that, or just basing it off anal sex from any partners/interaction with people who do drugs or have HIV.

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KhlavicLanguage
05/27/22 2:09:38 PM
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nah it's a pretty solid medical reality
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Nemu
05/27/22 2:10:18 PM
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Seeing as people can just lie, do they even have any reliability using self-reporting as the basis? Everything should tested before they store it anyway, right?
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hitokoriX
05/27/22 2:11:19 PM
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Nemu posted...
Seeing as people can just lie, do they even have any reliability using self-reporting as the basis? Everything should tested before they store it anyway, right?

Right, and it is/should be. But if you can rule out high risk factors then we should

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WaterLink
05/27/22 2:11:48 PM
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I didn't know this was still a thing. >_> I'm assuming straight guys and girls can still donate blood if they do anal, seems kinda dumb

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Funkydog
05/27/22 2:14:22 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
nah it's a pretty solid medical reality
Not really.

The issues are things any sexuality can suffer from and what should be targeted/looked out for. It's how we do it in the UK now at least.

Anal sex doesn't care if you're gay for the greater risk it can present. HIV doesn't care if you are gay. Drug use doesn't care if you're gay.

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Mortainous28
05/27/22 2:17:17 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
nah it's a pretty solid medical reality

It's not, they still verify that the blood is free of diseases such as AIDS when a straight person donates.

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KhlavicLanguage
05/27/22 2:20:49 PM
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Mortainous28 posted...
It's not, they still verify that the blood is free of diseases such as AIDS when a straight person donates.
it's not foolproof, accepting blood from MSM is too risky
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Funkydog
05/27/22 2:23:41 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
it's not foolproof, accepting blood from MSM is too risky
The issue is anyone engaging in anal sex specifically, and what many have moved to restricting on a time basis - and even then only if it's a new partner and not a long term/regular one. In the UK it is considered a potential risk if you've had anal sex with someone new for 3 months - gender/sexuality of the people involved is irrelevant.

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sondast
05/27/22 2:25:42 PM
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Nemu posted...
Seeing as people can just lie, do they even have any reliability using self-reporting as the basis? Everything should tested before they store it anyway, right?
Iirc, they combine multiples peoples blood and then test them to reduce the number of tests, so if something does get through they will have to throw out multiple pints.

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LinkPizza
05/29/22 6:29:54 PM
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hitokoriX posted...
But if you can rule out high risk factors then we should

The problem is how they do it. Gay/bi guys have this stigma, and you all this around them. Yet, women who have had sex with a partner who definitely did have aids are fine, as long as it's been long enough... Seems kind of weird that that's allowed.., but a guy who's had sex with one guy EVER isn't allowed... Even if they're clean... It's dumb...

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spikethedevil
06/01/22 1:32:03 PM
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R1masher
06/01/22 1:42:01 PM
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oi bloody ell

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Turbam
06/01/22 1:43:57 PM
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If a straight person injects gay or bi blood, they will lose their straightness. /s

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Master_Materia
06/01/22 1:44:52 PM
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That is dumb. As long as you can test the blood and make sure its fine there shouldnt be restrictions like this, it only hurts people who need the blood.

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Cocytus
06/01/22 1:45:13 PM
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I thought they made it to where they can now...
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ROBANN_88
06/01/22 1:46:44 PM
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Nemu posted...
Seeing as people can just lie, do they even have any reliability using self-reporting as the basis? Everything should tested before they store it anyway, right?

what would the person gain from lying, though?

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DrizztLink
06/01/22 1:47:36 PM
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Cocytus posted...
I thought they made it to where they can now...
It was a year of no sexual contact with another man, they lowered it to 3 months in 2020 because of shortages.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
06/01/22 1:50:05 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
The problem is how they do it. Gay/bi guys have this stigma, and you all this around them. Yet, women who have had sex with a partner who definitely did have aids are fine, as long as it's been long enough... Seems kind of weird that that's allowed.., but a guy who's had sex with one guy EVER isn't allowed... Even if they're clean... It's dumb...


I think women who have sex with women are allowed to donate. They don't have special rules.

Men who have sex with men are allowed if they haven't had sex in the past 3 months. If I'm reading this Red Cross LGBTQ FAQ page right anyways.

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LinkPizza
06/01/22 1:50:54 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
I think women who have sex with women are allowed to donate. They don't have special rules.

Men who have sex with men are allowed if they haven't had sex in the past 3 months. If I'm reading this Red Cross LGBTQ FAQ page right anyways.

Better. But still dumb. There really shouldnt be any extra rules at all Who youve had sex with shouldnt matter if youre clean

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/01/22 2:41:41 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...


what would the person gain from lying, though?


Some places pay you for blood or plasma donation, so lying could be literally profitable.

Anyway, I'm bisexual but never had problems for that reason because I've never had sex or done drugs. However, I've been barred from donating for years now just due to being homeless.

Sucks too because I'm O negative and that's highly sought after, but there's no bending the restrictions even for that.

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LinkPizza
06/01/22 2:47:31 PM
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Yeah. I lie all the time since Im O negative

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LinkFanatic
06/01/22 2:48:19 PM
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Xatrion posted...
and it might turn me gay!

Like that's a bad thing anyways lol

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Sayoria
06/01/22 3:24:01 PM
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But a Christian might get gay blood, which would turn them gay, and that's against their religion.

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gunplagirl
06/01/22 3:26:38 PM
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Monogamous sexually active gay person can't donate blood because they're sexually active

Hetero person can hook up with 4 new people every day and still donate blood

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Flauros
06/01/22 3:33:30 PM
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We need synthetic blood.

Come on future. Do your thing.

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Spiritlittle
06/01/22 3:35:00 PM
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I'm gay and I give blood every 8 weeks. They contact me all the time. And I have sex fairly regularly.

I know I don't have HIV, so it's no biggie. They test the blood before they give it to anyone anyway.

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yusiko
06/01/22 3:41:36 PM
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I'm pleasantly surprised
Last time this topic came up most of the posts I saw were defending the bigoted practice because of aids paranoia

That was only a couple years ago

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Giant_Aspirin
06/01/22 4:13:25 PM
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Spiritlittle posted...
They test the blood before they give it to anyone anyway.

since this is a thing, why is there even a concern here?

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LinkPizza
06/01/22 4:25:48 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Monogamous sexually active gay person can't donate blood because they're sexually active

Hetero person can hook up with 4 new people every day and still donate blood

Yep. And thats a real problem My BF and I are monogamous and clean. We shouldnt be turned away just because we have sex with only each other

ProfessorKukui posted...
Ye, the questionnaire I've gotten donating plasma asks flat-out if you've had sex with another man.

Same. My capitalized EVER, as well

Spiritlittle posted...
I'm gay and I give blood every 8 weeks. They contact me all the time. And I have sex fairly regularly.

I know I don't have HIV, so it's no biggie. They test the blood before they give it to anyone anyway.

Ive done this. Its just dumb that I have to lie to do it

Giant_Aspirin posted...
since this is a thing, why is there even a concern here?

Thats what weve been trying to figure out

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SauI_Goodman
06/01/22 4:33:48 PM
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Also, people who have been with sex workers. Or actual sex workers.

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gunplagirl
06/01/22 4:42:12 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
since this is a thing, why is there even a concern here?
There's still the stigma that assumes all gay people are having unprotected anal sex and thus transmitting diseases to each other. By all rights the policy should be updated but nope, bigotry still is the norm. It's part of why I have zero intention to ever donate blood.

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Funkydog
06/01/22 4:57:39 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
There's still the stigma that assumes all gay people are having unprotected anal sex and thus transmitting diseases to each other. By all rights the policy should be updated but nope, bigotry still is the norm. It's part of why I have zero intention to ever donate blood.
Thankfully some countries have updated it, but still many countries that need to improve. And even those that have updated can do better in some cases.

Really strange why they don't update it, even with medical evidence in support of such changes, when blood is always in such need. Yes, I know it isn't that strange really. Homophobia still exists.

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ultimate reaver
06/01/22 5:01:25 PM
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the villain in morbius should have been a gay guy who tries to trick morbius into drinking his blood

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kingdrake2
06/03/22 12:00:28 PM
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Flintgrandad posted...
the mods don't do anything.


mods pick and choose who to mod. but that's true.

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Esrac
06/03/22 12:06:43 PM
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It is absolutely a fair restriction, because HIV infection rates for MSM are astronomically disproportionatly high.

You can "but straight people have anal sex too!" all you want, but that doesn't matter because their infection rates aren't nearly as outrageous.
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spikethedevil
06/03/22 12:16:41 PM
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Lol at posts 10 and 44 still being up.

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Collat
06/03/22 12:18:29 PM
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If only there was some way to test that blood for diseases.

Oh well.
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spikethedevil
06/03/22 12:22:14 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


27th of last month for post 10 is 5 minutes ago?

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