Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 8 - Ruby/Sapphire

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htaeD posted...

This reads like you know Sbell is town, because scum wouldnt need any special power to know what Sbell did.
I dont see this as a gotcha or anything. I just dont recall what your stance on Sbell was before now.

This does not presume that i just left the clarification that if he is scum they of course also know what he did.

But as of the moment town lean on sbell

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weird... ya know that you would be sitting on that quote of mine...

and that it would be your first post too.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

This does not presume that i just left the clarification that if he is scum they of course also know what he did.

I am just used to clarifications being made like that all the time, even for the obvious.

Obellisk posted...

weird... ya know that you would be sitting on that quote of mine...

and that it would be your first post too.

That is actually a little weird

That was a remarkably fast pickup for Lea otherwise yeah

DoomTheGyarados posted...

That is actually a little weird

like I made the right guess and they've been waiting to be able to needle me for it.

Would explain arti. Pokemon side had a similar power just didn't outright steal and star wars side steals. Targeted hb both nights.

But doesn't explain artis really good eod day 1 roasting Ben over an open fire. Someone is going to have to attack that.

Alternatively could be scum Lea defending town arti sincerely. Hmm hmm hmm. Choices abound today.

Hey my own theory is that scum was bussing Ben to save Sheep.
But I dont fully believe that theory..

I will need to do a lot more reading in the morning.

The votes on Ben before the counter were Sultan arti sheep and me

The more time goes on the more I think sheep's vote was just a distancing vote. He was clearly aware he had been playing poorly. I think he claimed in order to get a counter and just be able to rest. That's my current read of it.

Chaeix posted...

Well, shit re: chang. Does it make sense for scum Kirby to throw chang under the bus to save Arti? My head is still grappling with last eod.

Also I was slept with last night. Hi Sultan <3

Hey guys JC was satisfied and did not wake up

Oh well that makes it easier to reveal it I guess

Just thinking out loud here

Darthmanitan Vader.....

Hmmm probably not the case
For reasons others already mentioned
Just wanted to create some fun names.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many votals some consider to be... unnatural

[7] Sheep: Kirby, (Chris), (Ben), plum, (Chris), (Lea), Hb, Death, Chris, JC, IGCD
[5] Ben: (Chris), Sultan, Arti/Lopen, Sheep, (Chris), Ulti, ViolentAbacus
[1] Corrik: (IGCD), Ben
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen: (Arti/Lopen), (Lea), MZero, (IGCD)
[1] IGCD: Isquen
[0] Lea: (Hb)
[0] No Lynch: (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Kirby: (Plum), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Plum: (Scare), (Sheep)
[0] Arti/Lopen: (Isquen), (Isquen), (IGCD)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)
[0] Ulti: (MZero)
[0] Sultan: (Isquen)

It take 11 votes to reach majority, or else the person with the most votes at end of day will be lynched.
Day ends Tuesday at 7pm Eastern, roughly 85 minutes from now.

After the counter the bus is a little bit more spicy?

In that VA and ulti are alive and not mortally confirmed. Curious for ulti to discuss eod 1 atti since if he is town he knows they weren't seriously bussing.

Everyone who is not chris should we be worried about Chris still being alive??

Also in any situation does Scum Kirby use his Gladiator on almost sure to be dead Chang? Was Arti vote even gaining any speed at that point?

I would like to point out even though my name is Chris and I tried really hard to make it so I wouldn't be around this long I have survived late into every game this year. Rule 1 has been broke for awhile guys.

How about we judge me for my play and not if am alive or not. I have in fact survived to end game as town a few times in my town career. It happens.

Take this as free good advice regardless of its source. Maybe ask questions of me if you are worried.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also in any situation does Scum Kirby use his Gladiator on almost sure to be dead Chang? Was Arti vote even gaining any speed at that point?

Arti was not and he also claimed watcher.

I mean Chris did alot of convincing to kill Ben and Sheep. Was wrong about chang but most of us where tbf,

Scum keep Chris alive here is okay for them maybe hoping for b8 to be like rule 1 kill Chris now.

The past few games Chris was alive late he was low energy. This game he is Mafia God Chris... idk

Maybe im looking to much into it...

On a side note people where wondering why I picked JC.

Jc was someone indont think much of us had a read on either way or atleast I didn't

I am going to be honest having people I town read say that after the surgical butchering I gave both Ben and Sheep day 1 because I was super locked in and try harding makes me kind of sant to sigh and go for a walk or something. Like, it's so without merit and so utterly devoid of effort after I have worn myself out being try hard that I feel hopeless. If you can't even see that is just obviously a pro town and complete murdering of scum from a highly skilled player then how am I supposed to trust that either one of you is going to make good decisions on less obvious things.

Like... just geesh. It makes me question so many things. Get your acts together and be probative. Fine be paranoid if you want but ask me things. Challenge me. Pursue reads.

Yeah mafia God Chris is probably mostly done btw. That takes a lot of energy. But I am hoping attentive and alert Chris will help regardless.

Ulti please give your thoughts on eod 1 arti since you are voting him

Chris why are you acting like bussing isn't a thing?

Obellisk posted...

Chris why are you acting like bussing isn't a thing?

Because at a certain point it isn't. There is bussing and then there is the nuanced back and forth discussions I had with two different scum to come to the conclusion that they were both scum. The way I asked questions and problem solved is all written in the topics and I am so sick and fucking tired of people not playing the game the right way.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Town does not have two flavor scanners and one is confirmed. This really doesn't need to be a complicated discussion.

##vote: Ulti

we are not using mindless setup meta while I still draw breath and I will attempt to kill anyone who tries.

wohh, can we kills him?

As I asked once and I will repeat myself

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Ulti please give your thoughts on eod 1 arti since you are voting him

Also to frame this for everyone since I am grouchy

I was suspicious of arti. I had him on my short list you all saw it. Then Lea defended him and I really examined arti and I realized I really liked his content. It didn't seem scum on scum. Ben's reaction to being voted by arti was completely different than being voted by sheep.

This read can be wrong so I am trying to get people to assuage my doubts because yeah. Obviously two flavor scanners would be a bit different. So actively I want people to help me understand a scum arti perspective on the times where I think there is no scum equity. If you can answer my questions it will make me feel better that hey maybe I am overthinking it. The fact that no one has done so other than a vague 'maybe bussing' is a concern and I want to solve it.

That's not too much to ask.

It would surprise me if sheep really buddied scare that hard but also he has given nothing to tje game and it's day 4 so... yeah what can be said.

Topic 2, Post 399, responding to Ben in regards to corrik:
Arti posted...

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning here, you expect him to stick up for you even though he would be paranoid of you as well?

Points

Topic 2, Post 444. in response to Ben after he explained why his vote didn't matter at that moment in time.
Arti posted...

The more I look at this statement, the more annoyed I get at Ben

More points

UltimaterializerX posted...

Nah. Confirmed town.

but not.

Ugh. Today has been such a shitshow.

To start off before I reread what's already happened tonight:
##vote: Arti
You got a pass yesterday because of the duel, and even though I think it was boneheaded of Kirby, I'm still thinking town-Kirby just by demeanor (but so help me, Kirby, if you're another Zenos-type you and I are going to have WORDS later.) So why change my POV until I'm proven wrong?

Nobody gets sweet boy status today. No directing my attention elsewhere, I won't be shook.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Chris, here's an honest question. Why does good behavior trump good role meta?

Great question.

So role meta for starters is a bit of an illusion and mostly not playing the game but the host. You are presuming to try to suss out how the host has thought. For example I was lynched in fire emblem because everyone decided there was no doctor. They role meta'd. Despite me being 3/3 in my scum reads when I posted my final rankings I was lynched.

Now when someone is countered that is a type of role meta but one where the person has been proactive to claim their role.

Here arti has been reactive to claim their role. They walked into the topic, saw the flavor cop, and dead ass said 'me too'

Now this can be scum in theory but it is not the usual situation of being countered. So it made me re examine the game. 'If we treat that as dead neutral what does the rest of the game tell us'

Because why was arti suspected day 2? I had misgivings about him so I put him on my list after Ben to be examined. He got several votes day 2. Then I examined and was like oh man, this is better than I remember. If arti didn't have people suspicious of him what do we think of him going wtf I am flavor cop too? So we have to examine that suspicion to see if we learn something.

Maybe arti is scum but with 4/6 scum alive it just makes sense to go through and parse things out and not accept things at face value. Maybe by looking into arti we learn something about someone else.

Speaking of interesting things and bussing

[7] Ben: (Hb), (Ulti), Sultan, Chris, Ulti, Kirby, Isquen, Plum, Chang

Given kirby and Sultan play and roles, the last two being dead, and me being me is this EVER 0 scum?

The two people on Ben who I think could be scum? Ulti and isquen

The two who voted arti day 2 besides ben? Ulti and isquen

The two people voting arti today? Ulti and isquen.

Something tells me that pairing isn't 0 scum. But willing to hear theories.

Isquen fits the profile of 'new player who Chris defends because it is good policy but eventually regrets it'

I would like that star wars flavor and where you were hinting it today I think, isquen

Except he wasn't trying to counter claim mewtwo. Just claiming Miller. He corrected us.

It seemed wild but really only the lack of grammar was wild.

Ulti I will make you a deal. I will do that if you do me a favor and look back at arti's eod 1 and think it through with the knowledge arti also didn't bother to vote Ben day 2. Thanks.

Oh wait he claimed so he had to have provided flavor and I forgot right