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Naysaspace
05/22/22 5:49:29 AM
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As any good millennial, I grew up on N64 Goldeneye, and thus that, and the rest of the Brosnan Bonds, were my first movies. I just finished 3 of 5 Daniel Craig films. Figured I'd go back in time for a bit before I finish off Spectre and No Time To Die.

First up, The Living Daylights

I'm 10 minutes in, and it seems really hokey. But lets see how this plays out.

My tentative itinerary is to watch the 2 Dalton movies, then get a healthy mix of Connery/Moore for the next 3-5 movies. After that, I will pick off the straggler movies as I get bored. Feel free to recommend Connery/Moore movies I should watch first. I am thinking Moonraker and Goldfinger are gonna be the first two after Dalton.

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DeadBankerDream
05/22/22 5:54:57 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
First up, The Living Daylights
Why would you not start with Connery?

Way to ruin it for yourself.

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Airhammy
05/22/22 5:56:20 AM
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Everyone has their likes and dislikes throughout the series.

Goldfinger is good. My favorite Connery is You Only Live Twice.Another is Diamonds Are Forever which some tend to dislike.

The Man with the Golden Gun is a Moore favorite, as is another common dislike in Moonraker.

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Naysaspace
05/22/22 6:00:49 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Why would you not start with Connery?
because goldeneye is my fave, so i figure i start with the two made right before. the guy only did 2 movies, so i am going to get it out of the way early

order of viewing does not affect my judgement of the films btw

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Naysaspace
05/22/22 6:02:34 AM
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Airhammy posted...
Everyone has their likes and dislikes throughout the series.

Goldfinger is good. My favorite Connery is You Only Live Twice. Another is Diamonds Are Forever which some tend to dislike.

The Man with the Golden Gun is a Moore favorite, as is another common dislike in Moonraker.
thanks for the take. I was debating Golden Gun, but it got pretty bad critic reviews (according to wikipedia), so it was low on the list. I would like to watch it to see the tie-in to the Goldeneye video game level. Same reason Moonraker is high on the list.

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Airhammy
05/22/22 6:07:11 AM
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My dad was a Bond fan so I initially grew up watching them with him. Of the first 16 those 4 stood out the most to me. The Brosnan era felt like my Bond, and GoldenEye is my overall favorite.

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MabusIncarnate
05/22/22 6:10:09 AM
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I'd watch "The Spy Who Loved Me" before Moonraker.

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GibraItar
05/22/22 6:14:35 AM
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Don't watch moonraker.

You Only Live Twice
The Spy Who Loved Me
Live and Let Die
Octopussy - for the cheese

I never liked Goldfinger as much as critics/other viewers.


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Tom Clark
05/22/22 6:16:32 AM
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Dalton is pretty great, it's a shame he didn't get a longer run.

The best one IMO is On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/22/22 6:28:45 AM
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Dalton is the most psychotic Bond.

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Trelve
05/22/22 6:40:36 AM
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Best Connery: From Russia with Love
Best Moore: The Spy Who Loved Me
Best Dalton: Licence to Kill
Best Brosnan: GoldenEye
Best Craig: Casino Royale

Stay away from The Man with the Golden Gun (for now), aside from an amazing stunt and Christopher Lee it's pretty crap.

Tom Clark posted...
Dalton is pretty great, it's a shame he didn't get a longer run.

The best one IMO is On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
I've been saying for years that Majesty's is one of the best Bonds but most people just ignore it because of Lazenby. I'm glad that in recent years it's being reappraised as one of the all time great Bond films.
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Thompson
05/22/22 6:48:14 AM
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You really should watch them in chronological order, as doing so makes it much easier to notice and appreciate the development of the series (and cinema) as a whole.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/22/22 6:55:18 AM
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Thompson posted...
You really should watch them in chronological order, as doing so makes it much easier to notice and appreciate the development of the series (and cinema) as a whole.

Most first compare the other Bond's with Connery's, then the next, and onto the other.

Watching them out of order might make things confusing.

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TheOnionKnight
05/22/22 7:09:38 AM
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Moonraker is pretty bad. I love it when Bond gets campy, but Moonraker is just bleh. Octopussy might be my favorite "bad" Bond movie because it's got all the slick spy stuff, plus a ton of ridiculous stupidity. It's so much fun.

But if you're going to watch Moonraker, you should watch The Spy Who Loved Me first like another poster said. Most of the earlier Bond movies are standalones but Moonraker is a semi-sequel to Spy Who Loved Me.

Diamonds Are Forever is another one that I enjoy for the camp factor, although some people hate that one. From Russia with Love is probably the most "serious" classic Bond movie, with a similar style to the newer Craig ones, if you prefer that instead of the camp.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a gem that seems to get overlooked sometimes. Probably because the dude who played Bond was a one-shot for this movie.

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au_gold
05/22/22 7:13:06 AM
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Theyre all worth watching. Even the worst ones have their charm.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/22/22 7:19:05 AM
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TheOnionKnight posted...
On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a gem that seems to get overlooked sometimes. Probably because the dude who played Bond was a one-shot for this movie.

More like his agent talked him out of the role.

From my understanding anyway.

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TheOnionKnight
05/22/22 7:25:19 AM
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
More like his agent talked him out of the role.

I wasn't talking about why he was or wasn't in more. Just that he was only in one. So his name doesn't have the same pull as the other Bonds. Plus he was never a famous actor like the rest either. Lots of people talk about the movies based on the actors, like the Connery era or the Bronson era, etc. Lazenby slips right between the cracks.

Oh yeah, I'll also mention the 1967 Casino Royale. That's a batshit insane movie. Once you've seen enough of the earlier Bonds, if you want something really crazy, give this a try. It's one of my favorite movies. It's a glorious mess. It also has the first female James Bond!

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/22/22 7:35:53 AM
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TheOnionKnight posted...
I wasn't talking about why he was or wasn't in more. Just that he was only in one. So his name doesn't have the same pull as the other Bonds. Plus he was never a famous actor like the rest either. Lots of people talk about the movies based on the actors, like the Connery era or the Bronson era, etc. Lazenby slips right between the cracks.

Oh yeah, I'll also mention the 1967 Casino Royale. That's a batshit insane movie. Once you've seen enough of the earlier Bonds, if you want something really crazy, give this a try. It's one of my favorite movies. It's a glorious mess. It also has the first female James Bond!

Ever seen the Flint movies.

They're great.

I associate Flint with Austin Powers more than Bond.

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Tom Clark
05/22/22 7:44:03 AM
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
I associate Flint with Austin Powers more than Bond.

I definitely agree here. In fact, I'd say that most of the obvious tropes that get brought up in Bond parodies really come from the Flint films (well, they were parodies themselves, but...) - sort of how "Play it again, Sam" became the most famous line "in" Casablanca even though it was from the Marx Brothers Casablanca parody.

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TheOnionKnight
05/22/22 7:48:32 AM
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I watched In Like Flint years and years ago, but I don't remember it too well. I should probably get around to watching the first Flint movie one day.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/22/22 7:50:32 AM
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Tom Clark posted...
I definitely agree here. In fact, I'd say that most of the obvious tropes that get brought up in Bond parodies really come from the Flint films (well, they were parodies themselves, but...) - sort of how "Play it again, Sam" became the most famous line "in" Casablanca even though it was from the Marx Brothers Casablanca parody.

TheOnionKnight posted...
I watched In Like Flint years and years ago, but I don't remember it too well. I should probably get around to watching the first Flint movie one day.

One day I'll get that annoying ring tone for my phone, if it exists.


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Naysaspace
05/23/22 6:10:38 AM
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Finished "The Living Daylights"

6/10

Onto the next Dalton one

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Naysaspace
05/23/22 9:04:53 AM
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another 6/10

Goldeneye really is the GOAT bond film i guess, eh?

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Ruvan22
05/23/22 9:47:58 AM
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Tom Clark posted...
Dalton is pretty great, it's a shame he didn't get a longer run.

The best one IMO is On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Dalton is the most psychotic Bond.

This - it really felt he was the most consistently brutal (maybe till Craig)
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EricDraven
05/23/22 9:50:12 AM
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watch these 1st:

Connery - Dr No, Russia with love and Thunderball

Moore - Spy Who Loved Me , Live and Let die and Man With Golden Gun

Dalton - Both films but license to kill was better

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EricDraven
05/23/22 9:53:26 AM
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Some bond movies are awesome and some really suck. I would skip these:

No time to die
Diamonds are forever
Never say never again
On Her Majestys secret service
For your eyes only
All Craig films except Casino and Skyfall

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Shotgunnova
05/23/22 9:55:07 AM
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License to Kill > Living Daylights

Both have GOAT Bond themes, though.

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prisonerd
05/23/22 9:55:50 AM
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dont skip any of them that would be bad

no time 2 die is the last 1 y would u skip teh ending
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au_gold
05/23/22 10:01:11 AM
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EricDraven posted...
Some bond movies are awesome and some really suck. I would skip these:

On Her Majestys secret service
The fuck?

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Kaldrenthebold
05/23/22 10:16:34 AM
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I love The Living Daylights. Timothy Dalton got a bum rap.

EDIT: Not enough love for From Russia With Love, the best Connery and best classic Bond movie imo. Love that movie so much.

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EricDraven
05/23/22 10:17:49 AM
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au_gold posted...
The fuck?

it wasnt good, lazenbys acting was very generic

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ultimate reaver
05/23/22 10:24:15 AM
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EricDraven posted...
Some bond movies are awesome and some really suck. I would skip these:

No time to die
Diamonds are forever
Never say never again
On Her Majestys secret service
For your eyes only
All Craig films except Casino and Skyfall

dont listen to this guy. diamonds are forever is fine, for your eyes only isn't even the worst moore movie, and NTTD is great

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EricDraven
05/23/22 10:27:27 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
NTTD is great

you arent a true bond fan :-)

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EricDraven
05/23/22 10:29:16 AM
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btw the ones I said to skip are pretty boring, hardly any action except nttd but thats another story

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prisonerd
05/23/22 10:36:26 AM
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EricDraven posted...
btw the ones I said to skip are pretty boring, hardly any action except nttd but thats another story
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au_gold
05/23/22 10:37:47 AM
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EricDraven posted...
it wasnt good, lazenbys acting was very generic
Awful take. Its arguably the best along with Casino Royale.

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CornPop
05/23/22 10:39:48 AM
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Shotgunnova posted...
License to Kill > Living Daylights

Both have GOAT Bond themes, though.
True. License to Kill theme is the best in the franchise imo.

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Thompson
05/23/22 10:40:21 AM
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Whatever you say about OHMSS, that ending.
Right in the feels, man.

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insekki
05/23/22 10:50:33 AM
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Airhammy posted...
Everyone has their likes and dislikes throughout the series.

Goldfinger is good. My favorite Connery is You Only Live Twice. Another is Diamonds Are Forever which some tend to dislike.

The Man with the Golden Gun is a Moore favorite, as is another common dislike in Moonraker.
You Only Live Twice is my favourite Connery too. I really like both of Dalton's outings and another favourite is On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one that I feel used to be underrated, maybe partially due to being the only one with Lazenby, but people are coming around to it now. You Only Live Twice is my fave Moore.

One I've come around on is Tomorrow Never Dies, (the first I ever saw in the cinema), which I think suffered from having to follow the fantastic Goldeneye. Jonathan Pryce and Michelle Yeoh are awesome.

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EricDraven
05/23/22 12:06:17 PM
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CornPop posted...
True. License to Kill theme is the best in the franchise imo.

live and let die

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EricDraven
05/23/22 12:07:13 PM
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au_gold posted...
Awful take. Its arguably the best along with Casino Royale.

says who

also those two movies dont belong in the same category

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LinkFanatic
05/23/22 12:07:39 PM
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EricDraven posted...
says who

Says him?

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LinkFanatic
05/23/22 12:08:00 PM
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au_gold posted...
Awful take. Its arguably the best along with Casino Royale.

I hated Casino Royale. I legitimately don't understand the appeal.

Probably doesn't help that I know nothing about casinos or poker.

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EricDraven
05/23/22 12:08:29 PM
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LinkFanatic posted...
Says him?

made it sound like lots of people are arguing it though

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EricDraven
05/23/22 12:09:30 PM
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LinkFanatic posted...
I hated Casino Royale. I legitimately don't understand the appeal.


good bond origins story, shows why he usually doesnt get attached


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LinkFanatic
05/23/22 12:22:59 PM
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EricDraven posted...
good bond origins story, shows why he usually doesnt get attached

Yeah that part was good.

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au_gold
05/23/22 12:24:38 PM
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LinkFanatic posted...
I hated Casino Royale. I legitimately don't understand the appeal.

Probably doesn't help that I know nothing about casinos or poker.
The action is flawless, it nails the character of Bond, it has the best Bond girl, one of the best villains, and the best song.

Though Im obviously biased because its my personal favorite. Even on a technical level, the stunts alone are amazing.

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LinkFanatic
05/23/22 12:26:08 PM
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au_gold posted...
The action is flawless, it nails the character of Bond, it has the best Bond girl, one of the best villains, and the best song.

Though Im obviously biased because its my personal favorite. Even on a technical level, the stunts alone are amazing.

Perhaps I should rewatch it again? I remember the casino portion of the film taking way too much time, though.

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Kaldrenthebold
05/23/22 12:31:09 PM
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insekki posted...
You Only Live Twice is my favourite Connery too. I really like both of Dalton's outings and another favourite is On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one that I feel used to be underrated, maybe partially due to being the only one with Lazenby, but people are coming around to it now. You Only Live Twice is my fave Moore.

One I've come around on is Tomorrow Never Dies, (the first I ever saw in the cinema), which I think suffered from having to follow the fantastic Goldeneye. Jonathan Pryce and Michelle Yeoh are awesome.

I've always had a soft spot for all of the Brosnan movies except for Die Another Day, my easily least favorite of the series. Tomorrow Never Dies actually aged better, because in this modern time a media conglomerate trying to drive up stories through nefarious means resonates way more today than it did in 1997. Also, TWINE is inoffensive but I thought very good. The casting of Christmas Jones is the worst part

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