Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 4 - Red/Green

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Oh... Death basically said that.

masterplum posted...

It's possible, but I wasn't a huge fan of red yesterday, and it feels as valid of a path to go down as any

Though I don't really like you feeding him rationale like that

I have my own possible problems with red and I trust his scum game enough to be able to parry this vote for your stated reason easily enough. I think it is fine to call into question your reasoning given I think it is well within the scope or red's ability and an obvious statement.

But by all means.

Personally I'm sure Red was just making a joke when he said that. He was posting from his leafeon account when I said "raise your hand if you're a pokemon"

He wasn't going to give up that information as scum or town

PunishedBen posted...

Personally I'm sure Red was just making a joke when he said that. He was posting from his leafeon account when I said "raise your hand if you're a pokemon"

He wasn't going to give up that information as scum or town

I mean.

This might be true.

Ben why did you lie to me when I asked for a claim?

UltimaterializerX posted...

CORRECTION!

I am now a Pokemon. I did not notice because GameFAQs didn't send me a PM inbox notification.

My role did not change. I'm the same role as before.

Interesting since mine did indeed change

I would also ask nicely for everyone to please not discuss their roles further than we have. We should not be giving scum new information.

PunishedBen posted...

Personally I'm sure Red was just making a joke when he said that. He was posting from his leafeon account when I said "raise your hand if you're a pokemon"

He wasn't going to give up that information as scum or town

Okay now thats an answer I would have liked to hear from Red

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Interesting since mine did indeed change

Ulti is probably still lying about that anyway
Its Ulti

I had a question, but will refrain until end of day/later days (if I remember what it is), because it does involve role information.

ViolentAbacus posted...

I had a question, but will refrain until end of day/later days (if I remember what it is), because it does involve role information.

I personally keep a word doc open with information when I play. Super helpful.

Just make a written note Abacus

htaeD posted...

I would imagine myself that Han made the flavor split clear enough to scum
I dont see Red just picking a pokemon flavor either when all his teammates were likely all star wars characters

But I think Red could have misunderstood and thought that everyone in town was both a starwars character and a pokemon character

Which we didn't

htaeD posted...

Chris did Ben tell you why he claimed nilla at first?

I mean if Chris didn't come out and tell everyone we had a chat last night I was hoping to keep my role a secret and build out an underground mason resistance group. Not that that would be happening now anyway since my role was lost.

Also because Chris had made a post asking for no power roles to claim. I know it was Chris who asked me to claim later but I was saving him from himself!

masterplum posted...

But I think Red could have misunderstood and thought that everyone in town was both a starwars character and a pokemon character

Which we didn't

Red is not stupid. Hard pass.

d1
[11] Sheep: Kirby, (Chris), (Ben), plum, (Chris), (Lea), Hb, Death, Chris, JC, IGCD, Ben, Arti/Lopen, Sultan, chang
[3] Ben: (Chris), (Sultan), (Arti/Lopen), Sheep, (Chris), Ulti, ViolentAbacus
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen: (Arti/Lopen), (Lea), MZero, (IGCD)
[1] IGCD: Isquen
[0] Corrik: (IGCD), (Ben)
[0] Lea: (Hb)
[0] No Lynch: (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Kirby: (Plum), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Plum: (Scare), (Sheep)
[0] Arti/Lopen: (Isquen), (Isquen), (IGCD)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)
[0] Ulti: (MZero)
[0] Sultan: (Isquen)

Not too much of interest here. Interesting that Sheep both voted Plum and Death in the early going, and I was thinking both were town through most of the day 1 that I played through. IGCD used his vote a lot - his vote was on Isquen last before voting Sheep after the counterclaim.

Anyway

##Vote: Lea

I have some questions for her myself, but I will wait until she comes back, whenever that is.

People feeding Red multiple different explanations is very annoying

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Red is not stupid. Hard pass.

He is aloof though, and might not have looked into the scum board enough

Half of the reasons were things he shouldnt offer as explanations anyway, they'd just make him sound worse.

masterplum posted...

People feeding Red multiple different explanations is very annoying

You wasting our time with Ill conceived attacks is very annoying. Be better.

masterplum posted...

He is aloof though, and might not have looked into the scum board enough

Plum serious moment here. Do you need to rest? You are very clearly not painting an accurate red picture here. Note I find him suspicious! But this isn't red at all. He is very careful.

If anyone needs rest its me!

htaeD posted...

If anyone needs rest its me!

Then get some sleep. It's late for you and sleep is good. But also you didn't break your back.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Plum serious moment here. Do you need to rest? You are very clearly not painting an accurate red picture here. Note I find him suspicious! But this isn't red at all. He is very careful.

I think people struggle with the concept that sometimes adventures end up with nothing.

I want an explanation from Red, I'm not saying I have damning information about him. He said something extremely suspicious where one of the reasons of which could be he had information that he shouldn't have had.

That combined with the fact that he was a nonfactor day 1 (Though that isn't necessarily a scum tell) means he is worth investigating

Break what now?
But yes I am going now..
Bens answer satisfied me btw

masterplum posted...

I think people struggle with the concept that sometimes adventures end up with nothing.

I want an explanation from Red, I'm not saying I have damning information about him. He said something extremely suspicious where one of the reasons of which could be he had information that he shouldn't have had.

That combined with the fact that he was a nonfactor day 1 (Though that isn't necessarily a scum tell) means he is worth investigating

I mean I want him looked into as well but it feels like you don't really know where to aim your adventure. I will help. Maybe ask for that death info now

Arti posted...

d1
[11] Sheep: Kirby, (Chris), (Ben), plum, (Chris), (Lea), Hb, Death, Chris, JC, IGCD, Ben, Arti/Lopen, Sultan, chang
[3] Ben: (Chris), (Sultan), (Arti/Lopen), Sheep, (Chris), Ulti, ViolentAbacus
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen: (Arti/Lopen), (Lea), MZero, (IGCD)
[1] IGCD: Isquen
[0] Corrik: (IGCD), (Ben)
[0] Lea: (Hb)
[0] No Lynch: (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Kirby: (Plum), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Plum: (Scare), (Sheep)
[0] Arti/Lopen: (Isquen), (Isquen), (IGCD)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)
[0] Ulti: (MZero)
[0] Sultan: (Isquen)

Not too much of interest here. Interesting that Sheep both voted Plum and Death in the early going, and I was thinking both were town through most of the day 1 that I played through. IGCD used his vote a lot - his vote was on Isquen last before voting Sheep after the counterclaim.

Anyway

##Vote: Lea

I have some questions for her myself, but I will wait until she comes back, whenever that is.

YKinda feels like you're ignoring the actual important moment of yesterday. Of course there is nothing to see when Sheep had already been countered and was obvious scum.

The only thing noteworthy at this moment of day was Isquen splintering. Which I dont think scum would have had any reason to do with Sheep looking so obvious. His vote came AFTER Sheep was counter claimed so I think Isquen is probably town for that. Wrong, but town

Isquen specifically said he did not like the Sheep train, for whatever reason that was. It was kind of lost in the posts at the end of the day. Would like an answer for him why he did that, though I have one idea why he would.

I'm going to be coming and going the rest of the night, so probably won't be super active. Do have a couple of more questions for Lea, if she comes back.

1. Why were you so antagonistic towards people giving their thoughts on the current game? It may not have been useful to you, but it did give people who are better at this game than me questions that they could probe into. Also, it's easy enough to skip over entirely if you don't get any information from it.
2. After above, You went after everyone who gave nonsensical lists, or walls of "useless" text, but then when Ben gave a list that had just as much information as Isquen there was not a peep from you. Why did you not hassle Ben any? There wasn't even a comment.

Anyway I am going to go spend some time gaming so I will leave a couple of questions for Lea

Hi Lea.

Who are your top 4 scum suspects right now?
Why did you unvote sheep for a brief time after his claim?

Please remember that embarrassing half-thoughten up half thrown together list was only posted by me because Chris specifically asked for it. And asked for NO TIERS. And no commentary. >_>

I of course reserve the right to say I am the goat mafia player if it ends up being accurate in the end

Oh wait Sheep was at the top wasn't he

DoomTheGyarados posted...

This game indeed rules.

Also I killed the strongman day one. I am happy.

Anyway, Ben is neighborizor who made me his neighbor last night and during that he didn't do much to make me like him but unfortunately I did not get him to confess

On re read I still think lea/Ben are good scum candidates and also added arti and maybe Red to that list.

Ben soft claimed Mason after the princess claim

I buy neighbor for sure

I'm out for my anniversary erdary so I won't be here long, I'll do more Saturday though for sure

If we are looking at people who Sheep possibly buses he did do that weird bit where id "be confirmed town" if I voted Death.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If we are looking at people who Sheep possibly buses he did do that weird bit where id "be confirmed town" if I voted Death.

And if you look the other way, he definitely tried to shut down any talk of Scare being scum. Scare kind of faded into the background after I replaced in, and also thought Sheep was fine in his early posts.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Forgot to add - it is literally mathematically impossible all those people who listed me as sus are town.

Well, yes. Sheep is there.

UltimaterializerX posted...

All that said, on a reread and given some information that I will not share, Corrik is scum. Let's just get this over with now.

I'm getting really sick of people posting "oh this person is near-confirmed scum" and then refusing to share. What in particular stood out to you as scummy about Corrik yesterday?

yeah i'll be honest i have 0 reason to believe that list of people has any significance greater than literally any random grouping of 11 players

UltimaterializerX posted...

We just got asked nicely by the guy who all think is town not to share a bunch of info.

He never mentioned anything about not explaining your reads. And a GUILTY SCAN, which is what you're implying in some way, is not the same as just freely giving info to scum like what sultan did - or what you did, by effectively claiming power.

Hello I'm mostly back and gonna play catchup but let me address my favorite topic on this page.

Arti posted...

Isquen specifically said he did not like the Sheep train, for whatever reason that was. It was kind of lost in the posts at the end of the day. Would like an answer for him why he did that, though I have one idea why he would.

I specifically said I hate Day 1 trains, and more so now because I'm 0/3 now on finding revealed scum with my vote. Ugh.

Isquen posted...

Hello I'm mostly back and gonna play catchup but let me address my favorite topic on this page.

I specifically said I hate Day 1 trains, and more so now because I'm 0/3 now on finding revealed scum with my vote. Ugh.

Did you actually think Sheep was town at that point?

UltimaterializerX posted...

You are confirmed town. Why are you defending scum so hard?

Answer the question. What makes you read Corrik negatively?

UltimaterializerX posted...

I reread day one and found a slip of information that he literally impossibly cannot know about without being scum. I don't have to give them anything more than that.

I mean if you want to say I have a "read" on him then knock yourself out. Dude's as dead as grass.

Ulti there's really no need to say this as scum can just as easily find it too if it is true. Please give your insight.

Also my partner hates secret of mana. My heart is broken.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I don't have to give them anything more than that.

Why do you expect people to believe you if you won't provide evidence? If Corrik has a slip, how does it harm town to show us the slip?

guaranteed ulti is referring to where corrik says "if there's two trackers one of them is scum tracker" or something like that