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Antifar 05/18/22 8:52:45 AM #1: |
https://equalizersoccer.com/2022/05/18/uswnt-usmnt-agree-equal-pay-fifa-prize-money-new-collective-bargaining-agreements-us-soccer/ U.S. Soccer announced on Wednesday that it has agreed to new, separate collective bargaining agreements with its mens and womens players unions which will pay players identical game bonuses and appearance fees and equally share the sum of prize money from their respective World Cups. The deals run simultaneously through the end of 2028. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 05/18/22 8:54:30 AM #2: |
Won't this actually result in a pay reduction for some of the best players with the appearance stuff? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 05/18/22 8:55:00 AM #3: |
Awesome. The women's team are getting paid for thrashing countries like Thailand 13-0 --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 05/18/22 8:56:55 AM #4: |
Nice to see the women's team decided to take the equal contract this time. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 05/18/22 8:59:24 AM #5: |
gunplagirl posted... Won't this actually result in a pay reduction for some of the best players with the appearance stuff?Just from that article it seems like the better players were on the women's team and they were getting paid less than the men's team. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 05/18/22 9:09:10 AM #6: |
A_Good_Boy posted... Just from that article it seems like the better players were on the women's team and they were getting paid less than the men's team. oh, did they play each other? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vegy 05/18/22 9:10:03 AM #7: |
Why don't dey just play each other, skins vs shirts, and whoever wins gets da higher pay raise --- http://i.imgur.com/gt58G1y.gif http://i.imgur.com/Kdvuckz.png http://i.imgur.com/SYqReLE.gif https://i.imgur.com/MbgGQWx.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 05/18/22 9:10:27 AM #8: |
Fam_Fam posted... oh, did they play each other?Stfu you know he means in regards to actually winning matches in their respective leagues --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ratchetrockon 05/18/22 9:19:34 AM #9: |
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K181 05/18/22 9:21:10 AM #10: |
This makes sense for three reasons: 1) Men already have higher earnings potential in domestic competitions than women. Who honestly cares if the salaries between the men's and women's rosters makes the same money when the men primarily rely on their overseas or MLS contracts? 2) From a strictly parity standpoint, the women's team has grossed as much if not more revenue a number of years as of late, so it's only fair for the pay to be equal. This is the only sport where that's the case. 3) Women are all but guaranteed to advance significantly further than men, so women earning less than men with that in mind along with 1 and 2 was inane. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 05/18/22 9:21:27 AM #11: |
If I played on the Mens team Id be mad --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 05/18/22 9:26:48 AM #12: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted... If I played on the Mens team Id be madI too would get upset if my mediocrity was no longer compensated more highly than my higher skilled peers. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 05/18/22 9:30:01 AM #13: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted... If I played on the Mens team Id be mad Then start winning some World Cups. Until then, you would be lucky to get equal pay as the women ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 05/18/22 9:30:43 AM #14: |
A_Good_Boy posted... I too would get upset if my mediocrity was no longer compensated more highly than my higher skilled peers. compensated based on their respective competition theres nothing wrong with that --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 05/18/22 9:31:03 AM #15: |
Zikten posted... Then start winning some World Cups. Until then, you would be lucky to get equal pay as the women this doesnt make sense lol --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 05/18/22 9:35:13 AM #16: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted... compensated based on their respective competitionThat's an odd way to justify them being paid more just to be losers. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 05/18/22 9:38:06 AM #17: |
A_Good_Boy posted... Just from that article it seems like the better players were on the women's team and they were getting paid less than the men's team. Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal. The only real sticking point is that FIFA paid out bigger bonuses to the men because it's based on a percentage of revenue for each league, and since men's soccer is far, far more viewed the men got a bigger FIFA paycheck, but that's about it. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmishDoinks420 05/18/22 9:42:14 AM #18: |
Thought they already agreed to this and the womens team got pissed because it turned out equal meant less. --- Big doinks in Amish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chrono625 05/18/22 9:42:42 AM #19: |
s0nicfan posted... Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 05/18/22 9:59:16 AM #20: |
AmishDoinks420 posted... Thought they already agreed to this and the womens team got pissed because it turned out equal meant less. According to the article, the new contract lets them split the advertising and fifa payouts (something that wasn't previously being offered), which in practice means they're basically raiding the men's teams paychecks to boost their own pay. In exchange, they're back on a performance-based contract without the same base pay guarantees from their prior contract like the men's team has, but they get to keep all the added benefits like medical/dental/parental leave that the men don't get. So whoever their negotiator is should get a medal. The women's team keeps all the extra benefits the men don't have, LUS they get a cut of the men's ad and FIFA payouts, and all they had to give up was going from their high base pay contract to the identical one they were first offered back before the lawsuit. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 05/18/22 9:59:31 AM #21: |
s0nicfan posted... Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal.Ah, I only knew up until that part about the lawsuit. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmishDoinks420 05/18/22 10:02:35 AM #22: |
s0nicfan posted... According to the article, the new contract lets them split the advertising and fifa payouts (something that wasn't previously being offered), which in practice means they're basically raiding the men's teams paychecks to boost their own pay. In exchange, they're back on a performance-based contract without the same base pay guarantees from their prior contract like the men's team has, but they get to keep all the added benefits like medical/dental/parental leave that the men don't get.Thats honestly fucked up and really suggests that this was never about equality. --- Big doinks in Amish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 05/18/22 10:06:47 AM #23: |
Fam_Fam posted... oh, did they play each other? Ahhhhh Oh, my. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/18/22 10:15:32 AM #24: |
AmishDoinks420 posted... Thats honestly fucked up and really suggests that this was never about equality.When you insist on equity over equality, you'll end up with neither. The mens team is likely to disband in a couple years or so, or completely collapse in quality and then disband. There's just going to be more money in MLS, or some other country's national team. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 05/18/22 10:32:36 AM #25: |
A_Good_Boy posted... That's an odd way to justify them being paid more just to be losers. Its not justification, if theyre getting 100 million for losing and the women get paid 50 million for women, it shouldnt be equal --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SergeantGander 05/18/22 10:38:45 AM #26: |
When the women's team can start beating u-15 boys teams I think they should get double the pay of the men! --- ~Dennis~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cobra1010 05/18/22 10:55:19 AM #27: |
The pay should be equal to the money drawn in. If men makes 10x more money for the organisers then they should be paid 10x more money. Thats what equality is. If men play 5 sets in grand slam tennis to make 2 million then women should also have to play 5 sets not 3 sets to make the same prize money. --- Rule #17: Don't be a Hero - Unnecessary risks are risks that shouldn't be taken. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 05/18/22 11:18:34 AM #28: |
Vegy posted... Why don't dey just play each other, skins vs shirts, and whoever wins gets da higher pay raise Lol the women's team lose regularly to middle schoolers --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 05/18/22 11:23:50 AM #29: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted... Its not justification, if theyre getting 100 million for losing and the women get paid 50 million for women, it shouldnt be equal Winning is only one part of the pay. The rest is revenue. End of the day, no one really cares that the women crush their competition whereas the men despite not being as successful, will draw may more ratings cause you'll see them play way better competition and star players like Harry Kane, Phil Foden, and Trent Alexander-Arnold when they play England in this World Cup --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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samurai bandit 05/18/22 11:40:38 AM #30: |
Antifar posted... The U.S. women gave up their guaranteed salaries ... but they retained unique elements which differ from the men I dont see the equality here... --- Go and watch Ef ~ A tale of memories now! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 05/18/22 12:12:28 PM #31: |
A_Good_Boy posted... That's an odd way to justify them being paid more just to be losers.The worst team in the NBA will beat the best team in the WNBA. Its likely the same situation here. The real question is does the womens team bring in the same amount of revenue as the mens team? --- When Kaidou fails to keep up with Luffy in their next fight remember this conversation - MrDrMan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/18/22 12:33:29 PM #32: |
The actual solution here is to just end sports segregation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Proto_Spark 05/18/22 12:43:27 PM #33: |
This seems like a win-win. The US Women's team gets some more attention and some more respect for how much they tend to absolutely thrash the competition (They've literally been top 3 in every one and have won 4/9 of them). And the mens team gets to piggyback off the women's success a bit and aren't really making any sacrifices. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmishDoinks420 05/18/22 12:45:35 PM #34: |
Proto_Spark posted... This seems like a win-win. The US Women's team gets some more attention and some more respect for how much they tend to absolutely thrash the competition (They've literally been top 3 in every one and have won 4/9 of them).They get bodied by middle-schoolers. --- Big doinks in Amish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 05/18/22 12:46:53 PM #35: |
The women deserve it. Regardless of the competition, they sell out their games and the win against what's in front of them. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Flockaveli 05/18/22 12:49:39 PM #36: |
Now they can stop acting like victims. --- The Handsomest Man in O-Town. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmishDoinks420 05/18/22 12:50:29 PM #37: |
I4NRulez posted... The women deserve it. Regardless of the competition, they sell out their games and the win against what's in front of them.They literally lost against middle-schoolers. --- Big doinks in Amish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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David1988 05/18/22 12:53:13 PM #38: |
s0nicfan posted... According to the article, the new contract lets them split the advertising and fifa payouts (something that wasn't previously being offered), which in practice means they're basically raiding the men's teams paychecks to boost their own pay. In exchange, they're back on a performance-based contract without the same base pay guarantees from their prior contract like the men's team has, but they get to keep all the added benefits like medical/dental/parental leave that the men don't get. ah, thanks, puts this topic into perspective --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 05/18/22 12:54:48 PM #39: |
AmishDoinks420 posted... They literally lost against middle-schoolers. and? Sports are entertainment and clearly people love watching them. They pull in an audience and the women's world cup pulls ratings. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanaglass/2019/10/21/fifa-womens-world-cup-breaks-viewership-records/?sh=6775d1e1884f Pay them what they are due. Also, people put too much emphasis on that game. They were playing in a scrimmage against a u17 or u15 team. They weren't going to go out there an fucking destroy them. It was probably a game to get them in basic shape. NBA players don't put on camps to fucking wreck the kids. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoShadowhen 05/18/22 1:03:49 PM #40: |
samurai bandit posted... I dont see the equality here... Its not about equality. I understand the argument of equal pay for equal work, but in this case they arent doing the same work. Questionmarktarius posted... The actual solution here is to just end sports segregation. I suppose that is technically true, but it seems like that would just lead to there being few if any women playing professional soccer. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 05/18/22 1:04:01 PM #41: |
Proto_Spark posted... This seems like a win-win. The US Women's team gets some more attention and some more respect for how much they tend to absolutely thrash the competition (They've literally been top 3 in every one and have won 4/9 of them). the mens team doesnt need to piggyback, theyre making more money its not a win-win --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 05/18/22 1:04:57 PM #42: |
s0nicfan posted... Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal. dang --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SauI_Goodman 05/18/22 1:06:14 PM #43: |
Why are the men getting equal pay they havent won anything --- Italian, French, German. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/18/22 1:06:36 PM #44: |
NeoShadowhen posted... I suppose that is technically true, but it seems like that would just lead to there being few if any women playing professional soccer.Not at the MLS or Premier League level, no. Probably at EFL2 or similar. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmishDoinks420 05/18/22 1:09:22 PM #45: |
I4NRulez posted... and? --- Big doinks in Amish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 05/18/22 1:18:12 PM #46: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDDq9BBfqI Take lebrons money away guys! --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 05/18/22 1:21:29 PM #47: |
This is good news. People trying to be weird about it are getting up in arms on behalf of men who collectively agreed to it with their union. If they don't have a problem with it, why do you? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 05/18/22 1:24:41 PM #48: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
I mean, you have to able to actually you know, play for those other country national teams to you know, pack up your stuff and go. Crazy how people who don't give a fuck about sports start to have opinions on things. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 05/18/22 1:24:44 PM #49: |
Intro2Logic posted... This is good news. People trying to be weird about it are getting up in arms on behalf of men who collectively agreed to it with their union. If they don't have a problem with it, why do you? They hate women lol --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 05/18/22 1:25:52 PM #50: |
I remember this case. Such a fucking circus and the womens team are really fucking entitled. They literally got more than the mens team in the first place and had the audacity to cry equality. Fuck them. --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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