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Antifar
05/18/22 8:52:45 AM
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https://equalizersoccer.com/2022/05/18/uswnt-usmnt-agree-equal-pay-fifa-prize-money-new-collective-bargaining-agreements-us-soccer/

U.S. Soccer announced on Wednesday that it has agreed to new, separate collective bargaining agreements with its mens and womens players unions which will pay players identical game bonuses and appearance fees and equally share the sum of prize money from their respective World Cups. The deals run simultaneously through the end of 2028.

The U.S. mens national team has been operating under the terms of a CBA which expired in December 2018, while the womens national teams CBA expired at the end of 2021. U.S. Soccer officials initially talked about wanting identical agreements for their mens and womens national teams, but because of the different nature of their work, figuring out equal rates of pay or identical economic terms, as the parties are referring to the metric stretched several months into 2022, even beyond the initial March 31 extension.

On Wednesday, the long saga ended which was a requirement for settling the years-long equal pay lawsuit. There is labor peace for the next six years, something U.S. Soccer president Cindy Parlow Cone says will benefit soccer at large in the United States.

Now were all in it together, to work together and collaborate, to really grow the pie so that we can invest more money back into the game and grow the game, Parlow Cone said in an interview.

Crucial to the federations sign-off on the new agreements is the equal split of FIFA World Cup prize money going forward. The U.S. women earned $4 million for winning the 2019 World Cup; the U.S. men earned a $9 million bonus for making the round of 16 in 2014, the last time they appeared in the tournament. Those payouts are made by FIFA and out of U.S. Soccers control, but the recently re-elected Parlow Cone a former womens national team player was insistent that the pay needed to be equalized.

Under the new agreement, money from each World Cup this year for the men and next year for the women, in this cycle will be pooled into a sum. The federation will take 10% of it, and the mens and womens players will equally divide the remaining 90%.

"We as unions had come together and agreed in concept on the methodology which it would take to equalize World Cup prize money even last year, USWNT Players Association executive director Becca Roux said.

Many of the financial elements of the mens and womens contracts are indeed identical, including camp and roster bonuses ($8,000-$10,000, depending on the competition) and win bonuses. Per diems had already been made equal, and now the U.S. men and women will earn equal pay per day in camp and game played.

The U.S. women gave up their guaranteed salaries something which has slowly been phased out but previously offered players financial stability in lieu of larger club salaries which mens players are often afforded but they retained unique elements which differ from the men. Womens national team players will still receive health care, dental and vision benefits, parental leave for up to six months, and short-term disability. Both mens and womens players will continue to receive childcare, and U.S. Soccer will match up to 5% of players compensation in a 401(K) retirement account.

Each agreement also specifies minimum and equal standards for venues and field surfaces, accommodations and travel, national-team staffing, and safe work environments, according to U.S. Soccer. Roux mentioned data privacy as something of particular interest.

A new element of these agreements is the sharing of commercial revenue. U.S. Soccer says it will share a portion of its broadcast, partner, and sponsor revenue with players, divided into a 50-50 split between the mens and womens national teams. The federation will also pay players a share of ticket revenues for games which U.S. Soccer operates, the greater of $5.06 per ticket sold (rising to $5.75 in 2027) or 10% of the average ticket price of a sellout.



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gunplagirl
05/18/22 8:54:30 AM
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Won't this actually result in a pay reduction for some of the best players with the appearance stuff?

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ShineboxPhil
05/18/22 8:55:00 AM
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Awesome.
The women's team are getting paid for thrashing countries like Thailand 13-0

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Were_Wyrm
05/18/22 8:56:55 AM
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Nice to see the women's team decided to take the equal contract this time.

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A_Good_Boy
05/18/22 8:59:24 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Won't this actually result in a pay reduction for some of the best players with the appearance stuff?
Just from that article it seems like the better players were on the women's team and they were getting paid less than the men's team.

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Fam_Fam
05/18/22 9:09:10 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Just from that article it seems like the better players were on the women's team and they were getting paid less than the men's team.

oh, did they play each other?
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Vegy
05/18/22 9:10:03 AM
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Why don't dey just play each other, skins vs shirts, and whoever wins gets da higher pay raise

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gunplagirl
05/18/22 9:10:27 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
oh, did they play each other?
Stfu you know he means in regards to actually winning matches in their respective leagues

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Ratchetrockon
05/18/22 9:19:34 AM
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K181
05/18/22 9:21:10 AM
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This makes sense for three reasons:

1) Men already have higher earnings potential in domestic competitions than women. Who honestly cares if the salaries between the men's and women's rosters makes the same money when the men primarily rely on their overseas or MLS contracts?

2) From a strictly parity standpoint, the women's team has grossed as much if not more revenue a number of years as of late, so it's only fair for the pay to be equal. This is the only sport where that's the case.

3) Women are all but guaranteed to advance significantly further than men, so women earning less than men with that in mind along with 1 and 2 was inane.

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1NfamousACE_2
05/18/22 9:21:27 AM
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If I played on the Mens team Id be mad

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A_Good_Boy
05/18/22 9:26:48 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
If I played on the Mens team Id be mad
I too would get upset if my mediocrity was no longer compensated more highly than my higher skilled peers.

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Zikten
05/18/22 9:30:01 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
If I played on the Mens team Id be mad

Then start winning some World Cups. Until then, you would be lucky to get equal pay as the women
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1NfamousACE_2
05/18/22 9:30:43 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I too would get upset if my mediocrity was no longer compensated more highly than my higher skilled peers.

compensated based on their respective competition

theres nothing wrong with that

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1NfamousACE_2
05/18/22 9:31:03 AM
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Zikten posted...
Then start winning some World Cups. Until then, you would be lucky to get equal pay as the women

this doesnt make sense lol

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A_Good_Boy
05/18/22 9:35:13 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
compensated based on their respective competition

theres nothing wrong with that
That's an odd way to justify them being paid more just to be losers.

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s0nicfan
05/18/22 9:38:06 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Just from that article it seems like the better players were on the women's team and they were getting paid less than the men's team.

Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal.

The only real sticking point is that FIFA paid out bigger bonuses to the men because it's based on a percentage of revenue for each league, and since men's soccer is far, far more viewed the men got a bigger FIFA paycheck, but that's about it.

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AmishDoinks420
05/18/22 9:42:14 AM
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Thought they already agreed to this and the womens team got pissed because it turned out equal meant less.

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chrono625
05/18/22 9:42:42 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal.

The only real sticking point is that FIFA paid out bigger bonuses to the men because it's based on a percentage of revenue for each league, and since men's soccer is far, far more viewed the men got a bigger FIFA paycheck, but that's about it.


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s0nicfan
05/18/22 9:59:16 AM
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AmishDoinks420 posted...
Thought they already agreed to this and the womens team got pissed because it turned out equal meant less.

According to the article, the new contract lets them split the advertising and fifa payouts (something that wasn't previously being offered), which in practice means they're basically raiding the men's teams paychecks to boost their own pay. In exchange, they're back on a performance-based contract without the same base pay guarantees from their prior contract like the men's team has, but they get to keep all the added benefits like medical/dental/parental leave that the men don't get.

So whoever their negotiator is should get a medal. The women's team keeps all the extra benefits the men don't have, LUS they get a cut of the men's ad and FIFA payouts, and all they had to give up was going from their high base pay contract to the identical one they were first offered back before the lawsuit.

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A_Good_Boy
05/18/22 9:59:31 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal.

The only real sticking point is that FIFA paid out bigger bonuses to the men because it's based on a percentage of revenue for each league, and since men's soccer is far, far more viewed the men got a bigger FIFA paycheck, but that's about it.
Ah, I only knew up until that part about the lawsuit.

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AmishDoinks420
05/18/22 10:02:35 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
According to the article, the new contract lets them split the advertising and fifa payouts (something that wasn't previously being offered), which in practice means they're basically raiding the men's teams paychecks to boost their own pay. In exchange, they're back on a performance-based contract without the same base pay guarantees from their prior contract like the men's team has, but they get to keep all the added benefits like medical/dental/parental leave that the men don't get.

So whoever their negotiator is should get a medal. The women's team keeps all the extra benefits the men don't have, LUS they get a cut of the men's ad and FIFA payouts, and all they had to give up was going from their high base pay contract to the identical one they were first offered back before the lawsuit.
Thats honestly fucked up and really suggests that this was never about equality.

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Lorenzo_2003
05/18/22 10:06:47 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
oh, did they play each other?

Ahhhhh

Oh, my.

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Questionmarktarius
05/18/22 10:15:32 AM
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AmishDoinks420 posted...
Thats honestly fucked up and really suggests that this was never about equality.
When you insist on equity over equality, you'll end up with neither.
The mens team is likely to disband in a couple years or so, or completely collapse in quality and then disband. There's just going to be more money in MLS, or some other country's national team.
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1NfamousACE_2
05/18/22 10:32:36 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
That's an odd way to justify them being paid more just to be losers.

Its not justification, if theyre getting 100 million for losing and the women get paid 50 million for women, it shouldnt be equal

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SergeantGander
05/18/22 10:38:45 AM
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When the women's team can start beating u-15 boys teams I think they should get double the pay of the men!

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Cobra1010
05/18/22 10:55:19 AM
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The pay should be equal to the money drawn in.

If men makes 10x more money for the organisers then they should be paid 10x more money. Thats what equality is.

If men play 5 sets in grand slam tennis to make 2 million then women should also have to play 5 sets not 3 sets to make the same prize money.

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ShineboxPhil
05/18/22 11:18:34 AM
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Vegy posted...
Why don't dey just play each other, skins vs shirts, and whoever wins gets da higher pay raise

Lol the women's team lose regularly to middle schoolers

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ShineboxPhil
05/18/22 11:23:50 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Its not justification, if theyre getting 100 million for losing and the women get paid 50 million for women, it shouldnt be equal

Winning is only one part of the pay.
The rest is revenue.
End of the day, no one really cares that the women crush their competition whereas the men despite not being as successful, will draw may more ratings cause you'll see them play way better competition and star players like Harry Kane, Phil Foden, and Trent Alexander-Arnold when they play England in this World Cup

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samurai bandit
05/18/22 11:40:38 AM
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Antifar posted...
The U.S. women gave up their guaranteed salaries ... but they retained unique elements which differ from the men

I dont see the equality here...

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ViewtifulGrave
05/18/22 12:12:28 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
That's an odd way to justify them being paid more just to be losers.
The worst team in the NBA will beat the best team in the WNBA. Its likely the same situation here.

The real question is does the womens team bring in the same amount of revenue as the mens team?

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Questionmarktarius
05/18/22 12:33:29 PM
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The actual solution here is to just end sports segregation.
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Proto_Spark
05/18/22 12:43:27 PM
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This seems like a win-win. The US Women's team gets some more attention and some more respect for how much they tend to absolutely thrash the competition (They've literally been top 3 in every one and have won 4/9 of them).

And the mens team gets to piggyback off the women's success a bit and aren't really making any sacrifices.
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AmishDoinks420
05/18/22 12:45:35 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
This seems like a win-win. The US Women's team gets some more attention and some more respect for how much they tend to absolutely thrash the competition (They've literally been top 3 in every one and have won 4/9 of them).

And the mens team gets to piggyback off the women's success a bit and aren't really making any sacrifices.
They get bodied by middle-schoolers.

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I4NRulez
05/18/22 12:46:53 PM
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The women deserve it. Regardless of the competition, they sell out their games and the win against what's in front of them.

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Flockaveli
05/18/22 12:49:39 PM
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Now they can stop acting like victims.

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AmishDoinks420
05/18/22 12:50:29 PM
#37:


I4NRulez posted...
The women deserve it. Regardless of the competition, they sell out their games and the win against what's in front of them.
They literally lost against middle-schoolers.

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David1988
05/18/22 12:53:13 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
According to the article, the new contract lets them split the advertising and fifa payouts (something that wasn't previously being offered), which in practice means they're basically raiding the men's teams paychecks to boost their own pay. In exchange, they're back on a performance-based contract without the same base pay guarantees from their prior contract like the men's team has, but they get to keep all the added benefits like medical/dental/parental leave that the men don't get.

So whoever their negotiator is should get a medal. The women's team keeps all the extra benefits the men don't have, PLUS they get a cut of the men's ad and FIFA payouts, and all they had to give up was going from their high base pay contract to the identical one they were first offered back before the lawsuit.

ah, thanks, puts this topic into perspective


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I4NRulez
05/18/22 12:54:48 PM
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AmishDoinks420 posted...
They literally lost against middle-schoolers.

and? Sports are entertainment and clearly people love watching them. They pull in an audience and the women's world cup pulls ratings.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanaglass/2019/10/21/fifa-womens-world-cup-breaks-viewership-records/?sh=6775d1e1884f

Pay them what they are due. Also, people put too much emphasis on that game. They were playing in a scrimmage against a u17 or u15 team. They weren't going to go out there an fucking destroy them. It was probably a game to get them in basic shape.

NBA players don't put on camps to fucking wreck the kids.

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NeoShadowhen
05/18/22 1:03:49 PM
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samurai bandit posted...
I dont see the equality here...

Its not about equality.

I understand the argument of equal pay for equal work, but in this case they arent doing the same work.

Questionmarktarius posted...
The actual solution here is to just end sports segregation.

I suppose that is technically true, but it seems like that would just lead to there being few if any women playing professional soccer.
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1NfamousACE_2
05/18/22 1:04:01 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
This seems like a win-win. The US Women's team gets some more attention and some more respect for how much they tend to absolutely thrash the competition (They've literally been top 3 in every one and have won 4/9 of them).

And the mens team gets to piggyback off the women's success a bit and aren't really making any sacrifices.

the mens team doesnt need to piggyback, theyre making more money

its not a win-win

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Guide
05/18/22 1:04:57 PM
#42:


s0nicfan posted...
Not quite. The tl;dr is the women's team turned down the men's contract and instead bargained their own contract with higher base pay for players and better benefits in exchange for a smaller payout based on actual performance. Then they won the world cup, so they claimed gender discrimination because if they were on the men's contract they would have made EVEN MORE money because of the performance-based nature of the contract they turned down. So they sued, but the case was thrown out because they also make more than the men's team. So they make more AND do so under a contract they willfully negotiated. Then US Soccer offered them the men's contract again and they turned it down again claiming they were being given a raw deal.

The only real sticking point is that FIFA paid out bigger bonuses to the men because it's based on a percentage of revenue for each league, and since men's soccer is far, far more viewed the men got a bigger FIFA paycheck, but that's about it.

dang

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SauI_Goodman
05/18/22 1:06:14 PM
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Why are the men getting equal pay they havent won anything

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Questionmarktarius
05/18/22 1:06:36 PM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
I suppose that is technically true, but it seems like that would just lead to there being few if any women playing professional soccer.
Not at the MLS or Premier League level, no. Probably at EFL2 or similar.
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AmishDoinks420
05/18/22 1:09:22 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
and?
And they lost badly against middle schoolers.

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I4NRulez
05/18/22 1:18:12 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDDq9BBfqI

Take lebrons money away guys!

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Intro2Logic
05/18/22 1:21:29 PM
#47:


This is good news. People trying to be weird about it are getting up in arms on behalf of men who collectively agreed to it with their union. If they don't have a problem with it, why do you?

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sktgamer_13dude
05/18/22 1:24:41 PM
#48:


Questionmarktarius posted...

When you insist on equity over equality, you'll end up with neither.
The mens team is likely to disband in a couple years or so, or completely collapse in quality and then disband. There's just going to be more money in MLS, or some other country's national team.

I mean, you have to able to actually you know, play for those other country national teams to you know, pack up your stuff and go.

Crazy how people who don't give a fuck about sports start to have opinions on things.

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I4NRulez
05/18/22 1:24:44 PM
#49:


Intro2Logic posted...
This is good news. People trying to be weird about it are getting up in arms on behalf of men who collectively agreed to it with their union. If they don't have a problem with it, why do you?

They hate women lol

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SpiritSephiroth
05/18/22 1:25:52 PM
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I remember this case. Such a fucking circus and the womens team are really fucking entitled. They literally got more than the mens team in the first place and had the audacity to cry equality.

Fuck them.

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