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ffmasterjose
01/20/23 2:31:05 AM
#354:


I've been re-watching Royal Rumble PPVs chronologically because it's Rumble season. For some reason I didn't skip 1995, and I really should've. Mercifully the entrants were coming in every 60 seconds so the match itself goes quick but MAN it's rough.
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ZeroSignal
01/20/23 3:48:24 AM
#355:


From my experience watching them...

Classics: 1992, 2001

Great: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007

Good: 2002, 2008, 2010, 2018, 2018W, 2019W, 2020, 2021W

Mostly forgettable, might have an excellent moment or two during the event, but nothing else: 1997, 1998, 2000, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022W

Legit rough: 1995, 2012, 2014, 2022

Bad: 2015

Dumpster fire: 1999

Haven't watched: 88-94, 96

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/20/23 7:45:45 AM
#356:


I watched only 1995 and the match itself was okay but half the enterents were nobodies

Fuck enterant 3
Vince- uh uh uh that's um um ahh *probably looks at notes* Eli Blu. Right that is Eli Blu

Vince didn't even know who the hell that was lol

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/20/23 7:46:59 AM
#357:


ZeroSignal posted...
From my experience watching them...

Classics: 1992, 2001

Great: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007

Good: 2002, 2008, 2010, 2018, 2018W, 2019W, 2020, 2021W

Mostly forgettable, might have an excellent moment or two during the event, but nothing else: 1997, 1998, 2000, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022W

Legit rough: 1995, 2012, 2014, 2022

Bad: 2015

Dumpster fire: 1999

Haven't watched: 88-94, 96

Good to know I was going to all of them like ff master I just don't have enough time

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Steiner
01/20/23 8:06:53 AM
#358:


yeah I think ZSig is pretty close to spot on except I'd have 2020 higher

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/20/23 9:40:01 AM
#359:


So watch 92 and 2001?

If I only have time for A few more.

I do remember 99 being probably the worst ever


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LiquidOshawott
01/20/23 10:01:45 AM
#360:


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yeah I think ZSig is pretty close to spot on except I'd have 2020 higher

yeah maybe 18 too

if only the winner was more relevant in WWE

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Strife2
01/20/23 10:34:34 AM
#361:


I think the Punk Sermon and Lesnar Rumble Gauntlet were fun, or do those classify as the "good moments" thing?

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paulg235
01/20/23 10:35:25 AM
#362:


ZeroSignal posted...
From my experience watching them...

Classics: 1992, 2001

Great: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007

Good: 2002, 2008, 2010, 2018, 2018W, 2019W, 2020, 2021W

Mostly forgettable, might have an excellent moment or two during the event, but nothing else: 1997, 1998, 2000, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022W

Legit rough: 1995, 2012, 2014, 2022

Bad: 2015

Dumpster fire: 1999

Haven't watched: 88-94, 96
You left out a royal rumble.
In fact, you've left out the GREATEST ROYAL RUMBLE (2018 Saudi). It was okay.

If I had to pick 5 Royal Rumbles to recommend... Probably 2001, 2007, 2002, 1992, and maybe 2018.

Worst is still easily 2015 by far. Outside of DDP and Bubba showing up and brief spots where Wyatt ran into The Boogeyman and Harper/Rowan early on, there was NOTHING to enjoy from that match ESPECIALLY the latter half of the rumble which felt slow, boring, botched what would was supposed to be one of the most memorable eliminations that night, had two over-the-hill wrestlers slowly dumping people out of the ring, and pretending the match was over for like 3 minutes despite Rusev still not being eliminated yet.

That's not even taking into account fucking up Roman's push so badly heading into the rumble that, combined with key dangling the prospect of a returning Bryan winning the match only to eliminate him halfway into the match with only like 8 minutes, the crowd turned so hard on Roman that it took him needing to take a break to deal with Leukemia in order for that massive heat to stop. Not just an excellent example of how not to book arguably your most anticipated match of the year, but how not to book the guy who you're planning to make the next face of the company.

All the other bad rumbles at least have SOMETHING to enjoy. 2012 had some decent moments despite being underwhelming. 1995 had HBK and DBS lasting the entire match back when that meant a lot more, the earliest rumbles (88-91 and 93-94) were relatively boring (I partially blame the lack of music between entrants entering, not having that really hurts watchthroughs) but still had a couple of good moments and had to establish the traditions/tropes that are usually associated with the match (if that's the right phrase to use)? 2014 only got bad once #30 came out and everyone realised "oh, they are actually going with Batista", 2022 had some decent moments despite being poorly booked as a whole (not to mention Lesnar F-5'ing Bad Bunny keeps it out of the bottom 5 for me). As for 1999, that took a backseat to the whole "Austin/McMahon" angle, but at least the angle was somewhat entertaining (not to mention you HAD to have known that Austin was facing Rocky at Mania regardless of whether he won or lost the match, right? Who else was going to realistically face Rock and not get a Bootista-esqe crowd reaction? Chyna?).

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AriaOfBolo
01/20/23 10:42:28 AM
#363:


Strife2 posted...
Lesnar Rumble Gauntlet

hot take I hated this

on paper it's something I would've expected to like, but he just mowed through a bunch of people I cared about and the Drew payoff wasn't worth it for me

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/20/23 3:10:36 PM
#364:


92 had some terribleness to it.. the ending was meh and Savage litterally jumped over the top rope and wasn't elimiated???

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ZeroSignal
01/20/23 4:41:10 PM
#365:


2015 had the Reigns push, Bryan eliminated in under 8 minutes early into the match, plus Big Show and Kane being booked like mythological gods this late in their career. Also noteworthy was fans chanting for Rusev despite him being a full blown anti-American heel, THAT'S how much Roman was hated back then.

99 was a mess with more action happening outside the ring than there was inside it. Wrestlecrap's induction of this Rumble was spot on.

2012 was the year where literally anyone could sign up for it. Mick Foley's final match, Ricardo Rodriguez, Kharma's only WWE match, all three commentators...

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Lopen
01/21/23 8:31:31 PM
#366:


AriaOfBolo posted...
hot take I hated this

on paper it's something I would've expected to like, but he just mowed through a bunch of people I cared about and the Drew payoff wasn't worth it for me

I think the problem for me is he wasn't put in serious jeopardy really at any point and it felt like Drew kinda fluke eliminated him.

I would have liked it more if there was a real build to him being thrown out, gradually stronger foes and then someone overpowers him outright.

Personally would put 1998 right by 1999 in terms of being bad because I felt the obviousness of Steve Austin winning was a huge distraction to both but I can see why 1999 is more reviled.

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VeryInsane
01/21/23 9:47:21 PM
#367:


I think the big thing is afterwards it felt normal with credible people and had a big Edge return which well I guess his return was less than stellar since

Brock killing people is always fun btw might as well get used to it he would/has squashed 95% of the roster anyway. Albeit I wonder what he does at this rumble

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Strife2
01/22/23 12:32:45 PM
#368:


https://youtu.be/42rW_oVmTcM

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scarletspeed7
01/22/23 12:45:28 PM
#369:


Why are we giving bandwidth to a grumpy old man who hasn't booked a successful promotion this millennium?

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_PandaMaster_
01/24/23 12:38:30 AM
#370:


The Trial of Sami Zayn.

You're welcome.

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NoFInBadger
01/25/23 4:54:42 PM
#371:


Bianca Belair's mic skills are deplorable.

Couldn't watch her promo with Charlotte for more than 3 seconds.


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ZeroSignal
01/25/23 10:32:32 PM
#372:


NoFInBadger posted...
Bianca Belair's mic skills are deplorable.

Couldn't watch her promo with Charlotte for more than 3 seconds.

I know right? No one wants to watch Charlotte for more than 3 seconds

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_PandaMaster_
01/27/23 7:15:27 PM
#373:


https://twitter.com/wrestlezonecom/status/1618991633630109697?s=46&t=TPWF1IqYHQBY0od7U5nMog

The Banger name is............no more. The Banger Bros will no longer perform BANGER! AFTER BANGER! AFTER BANGER! AFTER BANGER! AFTER BANGER! HAVE TO BANG HER! NEED TO BANG HER! (specific tweet involving this chosen for specific reason)

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ZeroSignal
01/28/23 9:35:06 AM
#374:


Pretty simple card tonight

Royal Rumble 2023
Men's Rumble
Women's Rumble
Reigns vs Owens for the Undisputed WWE Universal title
Belair vs Bliss for the Raw Women's title
Wyatt vs Knight in a Pitch Black match

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SHINE_GET_64
01/28/23 9:48:13 AM
#375:


don't forget to pick up some Mtn Dew Pitch Black tonight

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Maniac64
01/28/23 10:45:14 AM
#376:


Did they ever explain what a pitch black match is?

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Hardcore_Adult
01/28/23 2:03:31 PM
#377:


Maniac64 posted...
Did they ever explain what a pitch black match is?

I'm guessing we get blackness until there's a winner with the odd flash of light.

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/28/23 5:39:41 PM
#378:


Maniac64 posted...
Did they ever explain what a pitch black match is?

I think they said it's like the "empty area Match"
I'm thinking possibly a pre recorded cinematic kinda deal

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Ultimaterializer
01/28/23 9:09:07 PM
#379:


Dead crowd for Codys entrance. Oof.

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SirChris
01/28/23 9:10:34 PM
#380:


logan paul is a piece of shit but I will pay to see him wrestle

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FFDragon
01/29/23 12:25:09 AM
#381:


Zero people care about Cody vs Reigns.

Everyone cares about Sami vs Reigns.

This is a problem.

I'm going to be kinda mad if they payoff here is Sami/Jey vs Jimmy/Solo at WM.

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Ultimaterializer
01/29/23 1:05:00 AM
#382:


FFDragon posted...
Zero people care about Cody vs Reigns.

Everyone cares about Sami vs Reigns.

This is a problem.

I'm going to be kinda mad if they payoff here is Sami/Jey vs Jimmy/Solo at WM.
The answer is easy -- make Roman defend the belts separately.

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ffmasterjose
01/29/23 1:34:09 AM
#383:


I'm hoping they just let Brock and Bobby destroy each other at Wrestlemania without interference or shoddy fluke pin finishes. I liked their interactions tonight
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Shattered
01/29/23 6:43:11 AM
#384:


FFDragon posted...
Zero people care about Cody vs Reigns.

Everyone cares about Sami vs Reigns.

This is a problem.

I'm going to be kinda mad if they payoff here is Sami/Jey vs Jimmy/Solo at WM.

Yeah I don't watch a ton so maybe am missing some nuance but Sami 'betraying' the Bloodline in that fashion seems such a bad payoff when he's so white hot.

I don't care about Cody at all. And this is also the problem with the belts being together. They could have done Cody vs Brock and have it be equally as big. Presumably the end result is that Reigns is unable to beat Cody because he doesn't have the bloodline to help him which I guess is fine but it going full circle with Jey dethroning him or a white hot Sami dethroning him would have been so much better. With Sami especially it would have painted a better picture of look how reliant he was on the bloodline and how much he's fallen that Sami Zayn is the one to finally topple him.

I do like the idea of making Roman defend the belts separately at WM. Especially if it's over two days. You could have Heyman weasel Cody's match into only being for one of the belts because the rumble win only lets him pick his title choice and doesn't let him go for both. Then you could have Roman see Sami as such a non threat that he's like fine, I'll deal with you personally at WM and some authority figure makes him defend the belt in the match because of how Heyman weaseled the Cody match into being for one belt.
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Hardcore_Adult
01/29/23 8:29:17 AM
#385:


Say what you want about this Rumble; but at least it wasn't boring!

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Eddv
01/29/23 9:33:18 AM
#386:


The rumble laid out a vision for a wwe Id actially watch and yall are whining about the shitty version no one likes not getting the proper respect.

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/29/23 11:45:30 AM
#387:


I thought the rumble ppv was good. A bit predictable but good.

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TheSultanOfSlam
01/29/23 11:47:53 AM
#388:


FFDragon posted...
Zero people care about Cody vs Reigns.

Everyone cares about Sami vs Reigns.

This is a problem.

I'm going to be kinda mad if they payoff here is Sami/Jey vs Jimmy/Solo at WM.

1. Wrong people want cody v regins and want Cody to win
2. Yes and that is our flavor of the month for Roadblock.
3.the pay-off is for Sami to lose at Roadblock but we probably do end up getting Solo/Jimmy v Jey/Sami at mania anyways

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Steiner
01/29/23 1:29:27 PM
#389:


SirChris posted...
______ is a piece of shit but I will pay to see him wrestle
the business is built on this

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Axl_Rose_85
01/29/23 4:52:19 PM
#390:


Since Rock/Roman looks highly highly unlikely now at Mania, Cody winning is absolutely the correct choice here. Cody was polarizing in AEW because of his EVP status but in WWE he is the biggest babyface Roman could possibly face that is a legitimate threat to his title reign. I still believe Roman retains at Mania to break 1000days in his title reign and eventually drops it to Cody at SummerSlam. I feel like Cody/Roman is gonna be a long term feud extending past Mania.

Now, Roman is probably gonna face Sami at Elimination Chamber and as red hot as Sami is, he hasn't been built nearly to the level of a main eventer much less a WrestleMania main event, not yet anyways. Sami is cheered and loved almost unanimously because he's just so entertaining, is excellent at his role but he has gotten over mostly in a comedic role. If enough time is given for him to develop as a serious World title contender, he could absolutely main event WrestleMania one day, kinda like Daniel Bryan. Right now, is Cody's time.

Probably one of the best overall Royal Rumble PPVs I have watched. Rhea Ripley winning like an absolute badass all the way from #1 although predictable was just so so good to see.
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ZeroSignal
02/01/23 9:14:30 PM
#391:


Elimination Chamber so far...
Austin Theory vs Rollins vs Gargano vs Reed vs (Elias OR Ford) vs (Priest OR Dawkins) for the United States Championship
Asuka vs Morgan vs Cross vs Rodriguez vs (Carmella, Mia Yim, LeRae, OR Niven) vs TBD for a shot at the Raw Women's Championship at WrestleMania 39

WrestleMania 39 so far...
Roman Reigns vs Cody Rhodes for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship
Charlotte Flair vs Rhea Ripley for the SmackDown Women's Championship

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ZeroSignal
02/04/23 7:22:49 AM
#392:


Update...

Elimination Chamber so far...
Reigns vs Zayn for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship
Austin Theory vs Rollins vs Gargano vs Reed vs (Elias OR Ford) vs (Priest OR Dawkins) for the United States Championship
Asuka vs Morgan vs Cross vs Rodriguez vs Natalya vs (Carmella, Mia Yim, LeRae, OR Niven) for a shot at the Raw Women's Championship at WrestleMania 39

I dunno... MAYBE we get Edge, Rey, and Phoenix vs Judgment Day (Balor, Priest, Ripley) since Ripley will be occupied at Mania. Possibly McIntyre/Sheamus vs Viking Raiders to kill time

WrestleMania 39 so far...
Roman Reigns vs Cody Rhodes for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship
Charlotte Flair vs Rhea Ripley for the SmackDown Women's Championship

Not 100% certain what's getting added to EC card, but pretty certain we're getting the following at Mania...

Lesnar vs Lashley
Rey vs Dominik
Rollins vs Logan (maybe)

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ZaziGuado
02/04/23 7:49:27 AM
#393:


I wish they would have given Sami a little more mic time to explain his thoughts on everything rather than beautifully l breathlessly say he wanted the title. Hopefully next week.

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ZeroSignal
02/07/23 12:12:43 AM
#394:


Elimination Chamber so far...
Reigns vs Zayn for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship
Austin Theory vs Rollins vs Gargano vs Reed vs Ford vs Priest for the United States Championship
Asuka vs Morgan vs Cross vs Rodriguez vs Natalya vs Carmella for a shot at the Raw Women's Championship at WrestleMania 39
Edge/Phoenix vs Balor/Ripley

Possibly adding Brock vs Lashley, but I'd rather see it at Wrestlemania

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ZeroSignal
02/09/23 10:05:34 PM
#395:


Gunther officially the longest reigning IC champion of the 21st century

If he's still champ by WrestleMania, it'll be 295 days, the 5th longest of all time and the longest since Honky Tonk Man's record setting reign

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Steiner
02/13/23 2:56:05 AM
#396:


ZSig can I get an update on custody of Dom and any other fake titles?

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ZeroSignal
02/13/23 4:52:10 AM
#397:


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ZSig can I get an update on custody of Dom and any other fake titles?

Reigns has had possession of The Man AND Dominic's custody titles since November 2020

CM Punk is currently rocking the version of The Man that started with Flair's final loss in 2011

I think Charlotte is the female edition Man champion with that win over Rousey in December

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ffmasterjose
02/13/23 7:34:59 PM
#398:


That's 2 Smackdowns in a row where the person you expect to eat the pin in a multi-man match WINS the match outright (Madcap this week and Natalya last week). Props to them for swerving me I guess >_>
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ZeroSignal
02/16/23 8:57:30 PM
#399:


2 days away from the ppv and there's only five matches. Given two of them are Chambers and should easily make for an hour of time, we're probably just getting one more match added. Again, probably McIntyre/Sheamus vs Raiders.

Thinking that Theory retains the US title, giving him credibility going into Mania. Seth probably gets distracted by Logan Paul to set up that Mania match and Theory takes advantage. I don't see anyone else being the final two in the Chamber.

Going on a limb and picking Asuka to win the other chamber for the shot at Belair.

Edge and Beth win their match after Rey helps out, setting up Rey vs Dominik at Mania.

Lashley beats Brock after Hurt Business reunite, making it 4 on 1 (5 if Omos is still around) and the odds too much for Brock to handle. Rematch at Mania.

Reigns beats Zayn to close the night.

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ZeroSignal
02/19/23 12:33:31 AM
#400:


Holy shit, I got every winner predicted correctly and nearly how each match ended correctly too

Wrestlemania 39 card
Roman Reigns vs Cody Rhodes for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship
Charlotte Flair vs Rhea Ripley for the SmackDown Women's Championship
Bianca Belair vs Asuka for the Raw Women's Championship

Still thinking we're getting Owens/Zayn vs Usos for the belts. Logan vs Rollins is definitely happening, as is a Lesnar/Lashley rematch with no holds barred.

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TheSultanOfSlam
02/19/23 6:26:18 PM
#401:


A-TOWN DoOWN

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ffmasterjose
02/19/23 11:39:21 PM
#402:


What did you guys think of Elimination Chamber? I thought it was pretty meh except for the last 2 matches but my buddy thought it was the best show under the HHH creative banner.
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ZeroSignal
02/20/23 1:57:14 AM
#403:


ffmasterjose posted...
What did you guys think of Elimination Chamber? I thought it was pretty meh except for the last 2 matches but my buddy thought it was the best show under the HHH creative banner.

Main event and US title chamber were solid, but otherwise it seemed like I didn't miss anything.

Clash at the Castle has been the best show under HHH so far

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