Current Events > Doctor Strange MoM was pretty meh :/ (major massive spoilers, Duh)

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So, the bad magic book is insanely powerful and the good magic book is absolute shit? They start the movie saying they need this good book and then it just burns up like nothing. I guess dark magic is way better than good magic...

indica posted...

So, the bad magic book is insanely powerful and the good magic book is absolute s***?

Hate to say it, but that's magic in a nutshell. People love an underdog and whenever good wins, it's followed by a good epilogue where everything is good forever.

Bad persists because it overcomes good and good eventually beats it as a way of playing into our cultural value system.

indica posted...

So, the bad magic book is insanely powerful and the good magic book is absolute shit? They start the movie saying they need this good book and then it just burns up like nothing. I guess dark magic is way better than good magic...

I mean, the Darkhold just fell apart when it got stabbed, both books seem pretty vulnerable to direct damage. They never got to use the Book of Vishanti so we really can't gauge how strong it was.

Prestoff posted...

I guess watching Everything Everywhere All At Once kind of spoiled me on so many potential a multiverse movie can do.

Definitely agree on that.

i knew it would happen, it was never ever mentioned anymore before so i knew it would be a macguffin and wouldn't work because marvel movies are formulaic as hell lol

I guess my only real complaint about the film is that America doesn't actually come to a big realization or anything about her powers. In the third act, Strange just tells her "actually you can control your powers" and then she just kinda does. It's not a big deal, though, and it's not like their relationship doesn't grow organically over the course of the film.

Then again, maybe one could say Strange's refusal to take her powers (where so many others wanted to) could be a contribution to that realization.

Sucks that there was nowhere for Wanda to go but down though. :-/

Saw it last night, seems the consensus is that it's aight

Zombie Strange and the Illuminati Deaths were my favorite parts

Akagami_Shanks posted...

one question i have though

how did Wanda find out about America and why did she need to be told she was in kamar-taj when she chases them across the multiverse and finds them immediately?

At the end of Wanda Vision, she was using the Darkhold to search the multiverse IIRC.

As for why she didn't know where she was at the end, it was likely that when America changed universes, she lost her.

I loved this movie though. Wanda was so metal and it was hard to watch because I have a major crush on Elizabeth Olsen. She's cute af and has such adorable expressions.

I got so excited when I heard them say Illuminati and watching them. People complain because it wasn't accurate of the Illuminati we know but that's the point. Its an alternate universe version...

One complaint I have is that they called the MCU 616 even though the comics do exist. I like to believe that the MCU would be a different universe but this just means the comics don't exist...or whatever.

And yes, Wanda is just this powerful. She once said "No More Mutants" and that shit worked. Wanda has been OP for such a long time now. One thing I liked was how she called Strange a hypocrite and complained that he's seen as a hero while she a villain for doing the same thing. The reason I love that is because they baby her in the comics.

They babied her so hard and then treated Scott like shit when he killed Xavier even though he had the Phoenix force and most likely needed to die.(Comic Xavier's a dick).

Kitt posted...

It was genuinely pretty neat to see Mr. Fantastic and Black Bolt. Then they go out almost immediately...

Damn, that just sounds terrible. Thats like the opposite of hype.

Why are people who haven't seen the movie purposefully trying to find out spoilers? Just weird.

bsp77 posted...

Why are people who haven't seen the movie purposefully trying to find out spoilers? Just weird.

For me I dont like horror movies but I wanna see where the overall MCU story is going.

bsp77 posted...

Why are people who haven't seen the movie purposefully trying to find out spoilers? Just weird.

At this point, I just dont want to waste my time and money on any lame crap that somehow got greenlit. Some of us are getting burned out on the cape stuff, plus theres all this other stuff to check out.

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

For me I dont like horror movies but I wanna see where the overall MCU story is going.

It certainly has the Sam Raimi Evil Dead influence, but it is not a true horror movie

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

At this point, I just dont want to waste my time and money on any lame crap that somehow got greenlit. Some of us are getting burned out on the cape stuff, plus theres all this other stuff to check out.

I wouldn't call it lame crap by any means. But I agree there is other stuff. I have already seen 17 movies that were released in 2022. Everything Everywhere All at Once is currently #1 for me.

bsp77 posted...

Everything Everywhere All at Once is currently #1 for me.

Saw the trailer way back and it looked interesting. Ill check it out.
Thanks for reminding me.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Damn, that just sounds terrible. Thats like the opposite of hype.

Its the way they go out though. Several times I went "oh shit!"

dameon_reaper posted...

Its the way they go out though. Several times I went "oh shit!"

I am surprised Marvel got away with PG13 honestly

Yeah, this felt more bloody and gory than anything in the Venom movies lmao

dameon_reaper posted...

One complaint I have is that they called the MCU 616 even though the comics do exist. I like to believe that the MCU would be a different universe but this just means the comics don't exist...or whatever.

thisthisthis. mcu has (out of universe) been 199999 for more than a decade. 616 isn't a cute easter egg like last time. it's just wrong. it's easily fixed via unreliable narrator, though, if they care to.

i understand that 199999 is awkward. but if you were going to change it, why not... 2008?

dameon_reaper posted...

And yes, Wanda is just this powerful. She once said "No More Mutants" and that shit worked. Wanda has been OP for such a long time now. One thing I liked was how she called Strange a hypocrite and complained that he's seen as a hero while she a villain for doing the same thing. The reason I love that is because they baby her in the comics.

They babied her so hard and then treated Scott like shit when he killed Xavier even though he had the Phoenix force and most likely needed to die.(Comic Xavier's a dick).

Heroes in comics will basically forgive everything. Wanda committed genocide on a multiversal scale, wiping out most mutants across all Marvel universes. The mutant population is recovering now thanks to Hope/Phoenix (insert Cyclops was right meme) and also now learning how to resurrect any dead mutant. Avengers are cool with her again, but nearly all mutants hate Wanda's guts though.

Wanda wiping out the mutants was so crazy OP, Marvel had to retcon it, so it was just basically a temporary thing she could do to an external power amping her up (Lifeforce). She is still very powerful without it, but not godlike universal reality manipulation anymore.

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Medussa posted...

thisthisthis. mcu has (out of universe) been 199999 for more than a decade. 616 isn't a cute easter egg like last time. it's just wrong. it's easily fixed via unreliable narrator, though, if they care to.

i understand that 199999 is awkward. but if you were going to change it, why not... 2008?

yeah, change it to something else, not this shit. I didn't go crazy when I heard it, I was like "Wait, why?!" Almost stole me out of the movie lol.

project_night posted...

Heroes in comics will basically forgive everything. Wanda committed genocide on a multiversal scale, wiping out most mutants across all Marvel universes. The mutant population is recovering now thanks to Hope Summers/Phoenix (insert Cyclops was right meme) and also now learning how to resurrect any dead mutant. Avengers are cool with her again, but nearly all mutants hate Wanda's guts though.

Wanda wiping out the mutants was so crazy OP, Marvel had to retcon it, so it was basically just a temporary thing she could do due to an external power amping her up (Life force). She is still very powerful without it, but not godlike universal reality manipulation anymore.

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yeah but even the Avengers hated Scott for awhile. It was weird how they treated him tbh. I still don't really get it since he had a good reason for it. In fact, all this did was make me hate Beast more and more. I despise Beast so much, there is no way you could bring me to like him again.

you know whats boring is the TVA and Kang haven't come up yet and we've now had several shows/movies post Loki. He's supposed to be conquering the multiverse in a war, how tf is he letting this go on? It feels like Marvel wrote themselves into a corner with Loki and they have no idea how to address it lol

Akagami_Shanks posted...

you know whats boring is the TVA and Kang haven't come up yet and we've now had several shows/movies post Loki. He's supposed to be conquering the multiverse in a war, how tf is he letting this go on? It feels like Marvel wrote themselves into a corner with Loki and they have no idea how to address it lol

It will be addressed in the next Ant-Man. No idea how much this stuff is happening concurrently

There is no way Feige would let the bolded happen

Akagami_Shanks posted...

you know whats boring is the TVA and Kang haven't come up yet and we've now had several shows/movies post Loki. He's supposed to be conquering the multiverse in a war, how tf is he letting this go on? It feels like Marvel wrote themselves into a corner with Loki and they have no idea how to address it lol

yeah, this was my other big disappointment. i'm hoping there's an easter egg in the big travel sequence that'll need frame by frame to pick up on later. i don't mind the slow burn on Kang, but if we get basically nothing between Loki and AM3, i'm really getting worried they might punk him out in one movie.

Medussa posted...

thisthisthis. mcu has (out of universe) been 199999 for more than a decade. 616 isn't a cute easter egg like last time. it's just wrong. it's easily fixed via unreliable narrator, though, if they care to.

i understand that 199999 is awkward. but if you were going to change it, why not... 2008?

What are you talking about MCU has always been the real Marvel universe what are comics.

CyricZ posted...

What are you talking about MCU has always been the real Marvel universe what are comics.

Exactly!

I am being facetious of course, but I was never a comics guy, so movies are all that matters to me

dameon_reaper posted...

yeah but even the Avengers hated Scott for awhile. It was weird how they treated him tbh. I still don't really get it since he had a good reason for it. In fact, all this did was make me hate Beast more and more. I despise Beast so much, there is no way you could bring me to like him again.

Cyclops and some X-Men have called out the Avengers and their hypocrisy towards mutants, wondering why they don't do more to help/protect them from a world trying to destroy them. They recently had a tournament of Avengers to see who gets the Phoenix Force, which makes them going against Scott in Avengers vs X-Men even more funny, lol. I also like how all the characters/writers forgot Cyclops own daughter (Rachel) had the Phoenix for years without going Dark like Jean.

Beast has been slowing going 'evil', and he has been an asshole for a while. The recent shit he has been up to are highly morally questionable.

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bsp77 posted...

It will be addressed in the next Ant-Man. No idea how much this stuff is happening concurrently

There is no way Feige would let the bolded happen

which comes out in a year, how many films and shows have come out since Loki and will be out before then?

TV: Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, What If
Movies: Shang-Chi, Eternals, No Way Home, MoM, Thor 4, Black Panther 2

at the rate they're going with no kang teases so far, they're setting him up to be a joke villain since Ant Man movies are always comic relief.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

which comes out in a year, how many films and shows have come out since Loki and will be out before then?

TV: Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, What If
Movies: Shang-Chi, Eternals, No Way Home, MoM, Thor 4, Black Panther 2

at the rate they're going with no kang teases so far, they're setting him up to be a joke villain since Ant Man movies are always comic relief.

They're doing themselves a disservice if they make Kang into a joke villain. The new Antman movie is definitely going to address Kang in there, possibly do some stupid montage how he set up all the stuff that happened in Phase 4 or something. He's an Avengers level baddie, no way they would screw him up (i hope).

Oh and the music fight was awesome I loved it.

Doctor Strange MoM was pretty meh :/

First MCU movie, eh?

CyricZ posted...

Oh and the music fight was awesome I loved it.

hell yeah

SSJ2GrimReaper posted...

no because iirc marvel studios doesn't own the rights to use shuma

Really now? Quite unfortunate, but that's okay. Thanks for the answer!

@Admiral_Zero I did see like a Shuma look-a-like appear or something in some images, so I guess that's their way around the copyrights. Thanks as well!

Wasn't expecting the Reed Richard's cameo. I wonder if he is going to continue to play him.

I understand the book made her more powerful but come on. She could have wiped out Thanos herself with this power. Ridiculous. Everyone else feel like they got nerfed because of it.

Movie was mid. Had some cool moments. Cameos were cool until they were pointless. Hope they continue them in the future.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

I understand the book made her more powerful but come on. She could have wiped out Thanos herself with this power. Ridiculous. Everyone else feel like they got nerfed because of it.

Movie was mid. Had some cool moments. Cameos were cool until they were pointless. Hope they continue them in the future.

did you not see her fight thanos in end game?
she was winning and was clearly going to wipe him out herself until he ordered his ships to fire even on his own men

she has always been a blatantly overpowered character

I will say I wish they did more with the multiverse concept. They only went to one. (not counting that transition scene where they transitioned through multiple ones)

It was fine for the most part, but definitely weaker than the first film. Some things felt weirdly written. Why did Wong just continue to go with Wanda after they left? He had no reason to bother once the others were safe. He could have just run away from her at that point. How is it that Wanda is powerful enough that she can just nope BB and Reed with reality warping, but she needs to have an extended fight with the other two? Why bother with the book of light at all if it seemingly had no impact on the plot?

Despised posted...

Saw it last night, seems the consensus is that it's aight

Zombie Strange and the Illuminati Deaths were my favorite parts

The comic accurate fanservice was off the charte.

Also why is Wong still Sorcerer Supreme? Is Strange never getting that title back in the MCU? >_>

Ivynn posted...

I will say I wish they did more with the multiverse concept. They only went to one. (not counting that transition scene where they transitioned through multiple ones)

same. after thinking on it for a day, how's this?

the first time they meet the illuminati, it doesn't include X or black bolt. things happen mostly the same, until instead of going after the book, America saves them by doing her thing.

they end up directly into the new universe's illuminati council room, but this time it's different people. X and black bolt, torch instead of reed, namor and SS wong. they're more receptive to the travelers, but wanda finds them again just before they can get to the book dimension. america is forced to flee again.

third universe, the portal room isn't in the same place, so they have to search for the native supers again (so we get a second semi-developed universe here). eventually they get captured again, our arrogant strange tries to jump to the end before getting interrupted, saying this group isn't the illuminati, they're the Avengers. final member gets the late off screen into that X got in the movie, but oh shit, it's Wanda. our wanda dreamwalks in, and then the movie plays out from there similarly to how it did.

it gives us a second walk around a new universe (and maybe even a third if you could make something work)

and, imo more importantly, it softens the complete job that the illuminati had to do. because right now, those characters, and the team itself are pretty damaged. if they're not going to use them again (save reed), ok, sure. but even if there are no plans now, they might want to sometime later. but making a "real" illuminati now will only have people asking "hey, didn't wanda already merc these guys?"

yusiko posted...

did you not see her fight thanos in end game?
she was winning and was clearly going to wipe him out herself until he ordered his ships to fire even on his own men

she has always been a blatantly overpowered character

I forgot yeah. But I remember her getting her ass kicked in IW by his underlings and having to be bailed out by Cap and Natasha

Nemu posted...

It was fine for the most part, but definitely weaker than the first film. Some things felt weirdly written. Why did Wong just continue to go with Wanda after they left? He had no reason to bother once the others were safe. He could have just run away from her at that point. How is it that Wanda is powerful enough that she can just nope BB and Reed with reality warping, but she needs to have an extended fight with the other two? Why bother with the book of light at all if it seemingly had no impact on the plot?

i like how they acknowledge Wanda will take over the universe, and he still can't find it in him to sacrifice a few students so that she doesn't level up. Feels very un-like wong.

Wong was holding out hope that Steven would be able to stop her

MaxEffingBemis posted...

I forgot yeah. But I remember her getting her ass kicked in IW by his underlings and having to be bailed out by Cap and Natasha

Keeping things in perspective, Strange did fight well against Thanos when he (Thanos) had several Infinity Stones. When Wanda fought him in End Game, that younger Thanos was pursuing the gauntlet. So, yes, Wanda is very strong, but she was winning against Thanos minus the Infinity Stones.

It was a good, and entertaining movie for the most part with spectacular effects, plot twist and action. But Wandas motivations dragged down the whole movie to me.

Along with the illuminati being wasted. It and I don't like the MCU being labeled 616. Essentially killing any crossover potential between the two.