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Unbridled9
04/15/22 5:44:03 PM
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What is the most important city in human history? - Results (175 votes)
Jerusalem
16% (28 votes)
28
Rome
41.14% (72 votes)
72
London
6.29% (11 votes)
11
Bejing
2.29% (4 votes)
4
New York
4.57% (8 votes)
8
Washington D.C.
2.86% (5 votes)
5
Cairo
1.71% (3 votes)
3
Mecca
1.71% (3 votes)
3
Paris
1.14% (2 votes)
2
Other
22.29% (39 votes)
39
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Sarcasthma
04/15/22 5:46:04 PM
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Gary, Indiana

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Lokarin
04/15/22 5:56:13 PM
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idk, cities don't really do anything.. they just sit there

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Notschmendrake
04/15/22 6:03:00 PM
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Babylon doesnt even make the list?
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Judgmenl
04/15/22 6:03:45 PM
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I don't think there's a good answer to this question.

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Unbridled9
04/15/22 6:09:22 PM
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Notschmendrake posted...
Babylon doesnt even make the list?

I only have 9 slots (with the 10th being 'other').

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MrMelodramatic
04/15/22 6:12:19 PM
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Idk probably something in the Fertile Crescent

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DeathMagnetic80
04/15/22 6:18:08 PM
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Voting other: Constantinople for fun.
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ParanoidObsessive
04/15/22 6:28:30 PM
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Velocity.

https://youtu.be/goJOXr_kXgE?t=8



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Gary, Indiana

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Notschmendrake
04/15/22 6:55:42 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
I only have 9 slots (with the 10th being 'other').

Paris made the list for fucks sake.
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Unbridled9
04/15/22 8:03:14 PM
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Notschmendrake posted...
Paris made the list for fucks sake.

As the capital of one of the more important nations throughout history, I feel it is a fairly worthy mention.

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Judgmenl
04/15/22 8:10:56 PM
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Well I would have said Versailles instead of Paris.
But I discarded that as I don't think there is an answer to this question.

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Blightzkrieg
04/15/22 8:14:05 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Dick,_California

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Died Again
04/15/22 8:29:52 PM
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Uruk or one of the other early cities in Mesopotamia.
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PK_Spam
04/15/22 8:29:52 PM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
Idk probably something in the Fertile Crescent


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Notschmendrake
04/15/22 8:38:10 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
As the capital of one of the more important nations throughout history, I feel it is a fairly worthy mention.

It is not even top 20
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Rotpar
04/15/22 9:46:36 PM
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"What is Jerusalem worth?"

"Nothing." Walks away. Turns around. "Everything."

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Metalsonic66
04/15/22 11:05:42 PM
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New York, y'all

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faramir77
04/15/22 11:40:54 PM
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Dildo, Newfoundland

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ParanoidObsessive
04/16/22 12:11:57 AM
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faramir77 posted...
Dildo, Newfoundland

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FatalAccident
04/16/22 12:21:47 AM
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Was torn between Jerusalem and Rome, but even Rome had a massive influence on events in Jerusalem so has to be Rome.

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darkknight109
04/16/22 12:27:37 AM
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If I had to order them:

1) Rome - capital of the Holy Roman Empire, which itself is probably the record-holder for empires when considering size, influence, and duration.
2) London - capital of the British Empire, which was the only empire to ever truly span the globe, coining the phrase, "The sun never sets on the British Empire".
3) Beijing - China was, for centuries if not millennia, one of the most technologically and culturally advanced nations in the world and its influence in the Far East cannot be overstated.
4) Baghdad (bizarrely not listed) - Arguably the largest and most important city in the world from the late first millennium until it was sacked by the mongols in 1258. There's a lot of significant omissions from the list as presented, but this one really warrants a call-out.
5) Cairo - One of the largest cities in the world and a major Arabic cultural centre. I considered swapping it with Baghdad and honestly could still be talked into it.
6) Paris - Aside from a period of significant dominance under Napoleon, I wouldn't really be tempted to include Paris in a list of the world's most important cities. It heads up the next tier down from the all-time greats, but I don't think it quite makes the cut itself.
7) Washington D.C. - Basically the same status as Paris. D.C. is unquestionably the most important city on the planet *today*, but the US as an entity has really only been a major global player for maybe a 100 years. It doesn't have the historical reach of most of the others on this list, which were cultural, scientific, and/or political centres for centuries.
8) Jerusalem - Has massive religious significance to the world's two largest religions - Christianity and Islam - as well as Judaism, but was never really a global centre beyond that.
9) Mecca - Same, but just for Islam
10) New York - I have no idea why this is even on the list. For its financial clout, I guess? Bern is probably the better choice for that. Honestly, if we were to comprehensively list out history's most important cities, I'm not even sure New York would be in my Top 25.

Other cities that probably deserve mentions: Edo/Tokyo, Moscow, Berlin, Kyiv, Ankara, Babylon, Athens, probably a couple other really obvious ones that aren't coming to me right now.

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Decoy77
04/16/22 12:50:24 AM
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When I read the question Rome and London both popped into my mind first. Rome just for how big an influence the Roman Empire had on the world. But then I think how much of the English empire touched and how the sun never set on it. That's all out of London so I feel London is probably a more modern choice with Rome being a 1B option.

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FatalAccident
04/16/22 1:12:10 AM
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Decoy77 posted...
When I read the question Rome and London both popped into my mind first. Rome just for how big an influence the Roman Empire had on the world. But then I think how much of the English empire touched and how the sun never set on it. That's all out of London so I feel London is probably a more modern choice with Rome being a 1B option.
wouldnt have London in its current form without Rome though

I know you can probably extend that to some of the early Sumerian or Babylonian cities but def applies moreso with Rome/London or Rome/Jerusalem

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Unbridled9
04/16/22 3:33:33 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
If I had to order them:

1) Rome - capital of the Holy Roman Empire, which itself is probably the record-holder for empires when considering size, influence, and duration.
2) London - capital of the British Empire, which was the only empire to ever truly span the globe, coining the phrase, "The sun never sets on the British Empire".
3) Beijing - China was, for centuries if not millennia, one of the most technologically and culturally advanced nations in the world and its influence in the Far East cannot be overstated.
4) Baghdad (bizarrely not listed) - Arguably the largest and most important city in the world from the late first millennium until it was sacked by the mongols in 1258. There's a lot of significant omissions from the list as presented, but this one really warrants a call-out.
5) Cairo - One of the largest cities in the world and a major Arabic cultural centre. I considered swapping it with Baghdad and honestly could still be talked into it.
6) Paris - Aside from a period of significant dominance under Napoleon, I wouldn't really be tempted to include Paris in a list of the world's most important cities. It heads up the next tier down from the all-time greats, but I don't think it quite makes the cut itself.
7) Washington D.C. - Basically the same status as Paris. D.C. is unquestionably the most important city on the planet *today*, but the US as an entity has really only been a major global player for maybe a 100 years. It doesn't have the historical reach of most of the others on this list, which were cultural, scientific, and/or political centres for centuries.
8) Jerusalem - Has massive religious significance to the world's two largest religions - Christianity and Islam - as well as Judaism, but was never really a global centre beyond that.
9) Mecca - Same, but just for Islam
10) New York - I have no idea why this is even on the list. For its financial clout, I guess? Bern is probably the better choice for that. Honestly, if we were to comprehensively list out history's most important cities, I'm not even sure New York would be in my Top 25.

Other cities that probably deserve mentions: Edo/Tokyo, Moscow, Berlin, Kyiv, Ankara, Babylon, Athens, probably a couple other really obvious ones that aren't coming to me right now.


Just a few things.

1) While Rome is probably the most important, the English, followed by the Mongol, empires were larger as we many others. Granted, a lot of these were chinese empires, but you still got players like Russia, Spain, Brazil, and even Japan above it, at least in size.

2) Both the Japanese empires and Byzantine empires lasted longer than the HRE and Rome classic, while lasting an impressive 503 years, gets pounded by stuff like Ethiopia which lasted 666 years.

3) Multiple empires can arguably claim to have 'the sun never set' depending on various factors like when you count the territory. ATM you could even say this of America depending on how you classify it's military bases.

4) I have only 9 slots + 1 'Other'. I can only fit so many. I picked the ones that made the most sense to me.

5) Jerusalem is of major importance as it was also something various nations fought over for centuries due to it's religious significance. It may not have mattered to anyone but the Jewish people until Christianity took over, but after it was of unquestioned importance.

6) New York is, arguably, the single most important city in the world today and serves as a massive economic, cultural, and even global hub. Especially with the U.N. there. While it's a relatively recent entry on the list probably the only cities that could be argued to have as much modern importance are Tokyo and Bejing.

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GGuirao13
04/16/22 4:21:53 AM
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Rome.

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The_Viscount
04/16/22 4:42:22 AM
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I'm not sure there's a good answer, but probably London followed by Rome and NYC. Granted, a lot of it comes down to the question of how to evaluate human history. And only a handful of cultures really touched the entire world. As big and successful as the Roman empire was, for instance, it wasn't as far-reaching as the British Empire. (And that's not getting into regionally significant cities.) Certain societies reshaped chunks of the world, but the age of colonialism reshaped the entire globe.

And while it's tempting to look at human history in terms of years as a metric, the problem with that line of thinking is that society has accelerated over the years. Ten years today can show as much change as several hundred years might've brought a thousand years ago. Likewise, populations are much larger now.

darkknight109 posted...
10) New York - I have no idea why this is even on the list. For its financial clout, I guess? Bern is probably the better choice for that. Honestly, if we were to comprehensively list out history's most important cities, I'm not even sure New York would be in my Top 25.

lolwut? Dark doesn't think the home of the UN and arguably the most significant financial center is worth including on a top 25 list.

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rexcrk
04/16/22 6:09:21 AM
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New York


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DarkMinun
04/16/22 8:08:58 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
3) Beijing - China was, for centuries if not millennia, one of the most technologically and culturally advanced nations in the world and its influence in the Far East cannot be overstated.

The importance of China cannot be overstated, but for most of Chinese history Beijing was neither the capital nor the most significant for any other reason. Beijing is the wrong Chinese city to have on the list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_capitals_of_China

7) Washington D.C. - Basically the same status as Paris. D.C. is unquestionably the most important city on the planet *today*, but the US as an entity has really only been a major global player for maybe a 100 years. It doesn't have the historical reach of most of the others on this list, which were cultural, scientific, and/or political centres for centuries.

What? DC isn't even the most important city in USA today, on the global scale today it's not much more important than any other minor city where a random government happened to throw it's capital. Centers for arts, trade, transport, commerce and technology shaped and built our world as much or more than government, and DC is known for none of those.

10) New York - I have no idea why this is even on the list. For its financial clout, I guess? Bern is probably the better choice for that. Honestly, if we were to comprehensively list out history's most important cities, I'm not even sure New York would be in my Top 25.

It's probably the most significant American city, and this is a very American and Weatern-centric list. The likes of Tokyo would blow it out of the water though.

Other cities that probably deserve mentions: Edo/Tokyo, Moscow, Berlin, Kyiv, Ankara, Babylon, Athens, probably a couple other really obvious ones that aren't coming to me right now.

Alexandria, Timbuktu, Nanjing, Jakarta, and Istanbul are a few that would likely make the top 50.


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shadowsword87
04/16/22 8:35:03 AM
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SunWuKung420
04/16/22 8:49:46 AM
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The cities that no longer exist.

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04/16/22 9:09:50 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Eerie, Indiana


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Blightzkrieg
04/16/22 9:35:36 AM
#34:


DarkMinun posted...


Alexandria, Timbuktu, Nanjing, Jakarta, and Istanbul are a few that would likely make the top 50.
Baghdad is another one that's being overlooked. It was the biggest city in the world for hundreds of years.

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Firewood18
04/16/22 10:30:43 AM
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Poughkeepsie

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Revelation34
04/16/22 10:54:26 AM
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Constantinople was pretty important too.

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ReturnOfFa
04/16/22 2:16:04 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Constantinople was pretty important too.
Was expecting this to be listed.

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captpackrat
04/16/22 3:33:51 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/6/AAQwHjAADI_2.jpg

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El Marsh
04/16/22 3:36:22 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Constantinople was pretty important too.
Yeah, I was really surprised to see that wasn't a listed option either but the TC definitely seemed to have a more "modern" skew with those presented.

That would be on my short list though I'd fail to name an absolute "most important city ever" because it's just too difficult to qualify, even considering "basic" factors like like economic strength, regional religious/cultural significance, and military superiority. I think a list works better than an absolute for something so completely open to interpretation. Interesting question regardless.

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captpackrat
04/16/22 3:41:58 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVevEdowqqs

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shadowsword87
04/16/22 3:43:02 PM
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El Marsh posted...
Yeah, I was really surprised to see that wasn't a listed option either but the TC definitely seemed to have a more "modern" skew with those presented.

That would be on my short list though I'd fail to name an absolute "most important city ever" because it's just too difficult to qualify, even considering "basic" factors like like economic strength, regional religious/cultural significance, and military superiority. I think a list works better than an absolute for something so completely open to interpretation. Interesting question regardless.

That's also because to a lot of people here, history started in the 1600s.
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ParanoidObsessive
04/16/22 3:57:17 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
That's also because to a lot of people here, history started in the 1600s.

For a lot of people here, history started in 1990.

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captpackrat
04/16/22 4:01:41 PM
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While Cairo is currently the largest city in the Arab world, it wasn't founded until AD 640. More important historical Egyptian cities would probably include Memphis, capitol of the Old Kingdom, and Thebes, capitol of the Middle Kingdom and most of the New Kingdom

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Unbridled9
04/16/22 6:45:13 PM
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captpackrat posted...
While Cairo is currently the largest city in the Arab world, it wasn't founded until AD 640. More important historical Egyptian cities would probably include Memphis, capitol of the Old Kingdom, and Thebes, capitol of the Middle Kingdom and most of the New Kingdom

I wasn't aware of that. I apologize.

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darkknight109
04/16/22 9:20:56 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
1) While Rome is probably the most important, the English, followed by the Mongol, empires were larger as we many others.
Hence why I said combination of "size, influence, and duration", not just size alone. Yes, other empires were larger; they also tended to be much shorter lived and less influential on world history.

Unbridled9 posted...
Multiple empires can arguably claim to have 'the sun never set' depending on various factors like when you count the territory.
It's not necessarily the best metric, but I think the British Empire wins when you talk about what percentage of the globe's longitude it encompassed, which is what that "sun never set" phrase is trying to capture.

If we take the phrase at face value, it requires that at no point in time - on any day of the year, at any time of day - is there not at least one point of the empire in daylight hours. I've never checked to see if any other empire meets that criteria, but given that North America and Oceania were only ever part of the British Empire (aside from a very brief period where other colonial powers like France, Spain, the Dutch Republic, and Russia had interests in the new world) and that the US never held territory in Europe or Asia (aside from brief control of territories conquered in warfare, such as post-WW2 Japan or new millennium Iraq and Afghanistan) outside of some Pacific Island territories, I would be surprised if that was true for any other empire. Maybe Spain might have claimed it with its holdings in Central and South America (indeed, they were the first ones to use the phrase), but those places don't have nearly the longitude of North America. I also don't count military bases, since it's kind of against the spirit of the phrase.

A quick Google search didn't turn up any analysis of the factuality of the phrase for anyone other than the British Empire (which still technically meets the requirements of the phrase, albeit barely) - it would be interesting to know if any other empire managed it.

Unbridled9 posted...
5) Jerusalem is of major importance as it was also something various nations fought over for centuries due to it's religious significance
There's a lot of cities that people fought over for centuries due to various significant factors; Jerusalem isn't particularly unique in that regard.

Unbridled9 posted...
6) New York is, arguably, the single most important city in the world today and serves as a massive economic, cultural, and even global hub.
Disagree. If I could press a button and erase one city of the globe, along with everyone who lived and worked there (not including visitors who reside elsewhere), I can think of several that would have a much, much larger impact and cause far more chaos than New York - Washington D.C., Beijing, London for sure; arguably Tokyo, Brussels, Moscow, Singapore, and Paris as well.

The_Viscount posted...
lolwut? Dark doesn't think the home of the UN and arguably the most significant financial center is worth including on a top 25 list.
Not if you're including every city in human history for consideration.

Top 25 today? Easily. Hell, it'd be in the Top 10 today for sure. But throughout history? Forget it.

Several cities were centres of politics, culture, wealth, and/or science that - relative to the world in which they resided - would blow modern New York out of the water, particularly given that the time New York has been a major influencing power on world events is, like much of the rest of the US, less than a century.

DarkMinun posted...
The importance of China cannot be overstated, but for most of Chinese history Beijing was neither the capital nor the most significant for any other reason. Beijing is the wrong Chinese city to have on the list.
It is the capital of modern China - almost unarguably the second-most important and powerful country in the world after the US - and was also (one of) the capitals of the Yuan, Ming, and Qing dynasties. Nanjing is the only other city that immediately comes to mind for me as having that level of significance over time, though my knowledge of Chinese history isn't particularly strong. What would be your pick over Beijing?

DarkMinun posted...
DC isn't even the most important city in USA today, on the global scale today it's not much more important than any other minor city where a random government happened to throw it's capital.
In this case it's a capital in charge of enough military might to level the planet, which I think warrants some consideration. DC is the head of the most powerful government in the world and all of its major decisions are made there.

As above, if I were to magically erase a single city of the face of the globe along with all the people who regularly live and work there, I think DC is the one that would cause the most disruption and chaos.

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funkyfritter
04/16/22 9:49:55 PM
#46:


Atlantis

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Conner4REAL
04/16/22 10:01:47 PM
#47:


Nyc.

anyone who says otherwise is obviously suffering from a mental disease or defect and their vote is null and void ab initio.

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Metalsonic66
04/16/22 11:15:00 PM
#48:


funkyfritter posted...
Atlantis
Fuck, this.

Should that be a semi-colon?

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Revelation34
04/17/22 12:40:11 AM
#49:


El Marsh posted...

Yeah, I was really surprised to see that wasn't a listed option either but the TC definitely seemed to have a more "modern" skew with those presented.

That would be on my short list though I'd fail to name an absolute "most important city ever" because it's just too difficult to qualify, even considering "basic" factors like like economic strength, regional religious/cultural significance, and military superiority. I think a list works better than an absolute for something so completely open to interpretation. Interesting question regardless.


I feel like Rome should have that since it led to many other important cities.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Fuck, this.

Should that be a semi-colon?


Nothing at all would be funnier.

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fishy071
04/17/22 1:17:43 AM
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I don't think there is just one most important city in history. I think multiple cities had significant influences, especially when there was communication among them.

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