Poll of the Day > Do you understand the mental strain of being a slave?

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Always taking orders from someone and constantly being told that you're doing things wrong.
Doing what your master says, your master says good job but the next day / week he wants you to redo your work because you didn't do exactly what he wanted?
Trying to get validation of your master non-stop just for them to give you none?
Having multiple masters, all of them regularly reinforcing how much of a failure you are?
That is my life. Constantly being told how much of a failure I am.

Fuck you thats racist

You get paid for your time and effort. And you can quit or leave your job, barring some contractual obligation. Comparing frustration with your job to slavery is beyond ignorant.

Far-Queue posted...

You get paid for your time and effort. And you can quit or leave your job, barring some contractual obligation. Comparing frustration with your job to slavery is beyond ignorant.

Yep. You should probably just close this topic as soon as you get the chance, Judg.

I think you guys are missing a huge part of this.
I... don't get to see any of the money that I make.
My life is not as simple as you think it is.

Explain it, then. How exactly are you a slave?

And don't doxx yourself obviously but don't be annoyingly vague.

Are you working for free?

Are you not getting paid?

How is it that you "don't see the money" you make?

You admit that you make money in that post...

I mean, in the US there are situations that are at least somewhat comparable to slavery, you don't always have the choice of just leaving a job or not doing it.

The least forced situations are those where someone spends tons of time/money/effort to get a job, like an attorney or doctor etc, but are forced to work extreme hours (for little pay) in order to gain experience etc. There are a bunch of situations like this, but in the legal field it was common for new attorneys to be hired for a very low yearly salary and required to work 60-80 hours a week. We had some who started working at the same law office as us (luckily we had 10years exp when we started), that eventually quit because a job in water management (which they did on the way through law school etc) paid more, for less hours. Starting pay at that law firm for new attorneys was 30k, but the hours were wacked.

Meanwhile many other people allow themselves to be used because of a position etc. My first salaried position back in the early 90's payed about $24k a year, and there wasn't 1 week in those 2 years that I worked there, that i didn't work over 60 hours (not including commute etc). I had 13 people working for me and ran the whole shipping and handling department. That was my choice though, but still, when your whole life is work, that is voluntary slavery.

But it gets much worse from there, at least in those situations you have a fairly easy choice to stop at any time, you just need to realize it (and sometimes give up on a dream).

Those who have family, or worse sick family/dependants, often have no choice at all (without dire consequences). They are litereally forced to do the job or loved ones will die. While that is certainly not true everywhere, it is VERY true in the US.

In addition you have student loans, a whole nother kettle of "slavery" fish. Because it wasn't so bad for such a long time, people are still coming to terms with how predatory student loans are now, and how they can easily cause someone to end up in debt for life. Go to college for 60k, and graduate, but be unable to make more then you spend to live for 5-6 years, and watch your student loans DOUBLE. Lol...yeah, it's not supposed to work like that, in fact, even the worst % rates SHOULD take at least 10 years to double the principle, but nope, you can end up with 120k in student loans 6 years after graduation, and many jobs don't even START increasing your pay until after 5 years (looking at you teachers...no raises till after 5 years and at least a few years ago, starting salary of 30k in CA....not enough in the bay area to rent your own place, let alone make loan payments).

So yeah, it's not really indentured servatude, let alone slavery, but it's a FORM of slavery just the same, even if self inflicted or due to lack of knowledge of options etc.

No wolfy that isnt slavery either

Not the same as slavery, wolfy. Not even close. Just straight-up ignorant to make that leap

wolfy42 posted...

So yeah, it's not really indentured servatude, let alone slavery

I literally said it wasn't the same, even as indentured servitude, but it's still a form of slavery, wage slavery etc.

I want to leave my job. It fucking sucks. But I have no choice but to keep on working there.
How is this not slavery?

Judgmenl posted...

I want to leave my job. It fucking sucks. But I have no choice but to keep on working there.
How is this not slavery?

Youre not in chains. Are you really this oblivious to how offensive your statement is?

Judgmenl posted...

I want to leave my job. It fucking sucks. But I have no choice but to keep on working there.
How is this not slavery?

How is it you have no choice?

How is it that you cannot leave your job?

Are you under contract?

Are you afraid of financial setbacks from being without work while you seek new employment?

If it's the latter, you can start looking for a job - and get hired - before you submit your resignation. People do this all the time. Just tell your new employer that your start date will have to begin in a couple weeks. They'll understand, and more than likely appreciate your showing your former employer some courtesy in giving a proper notice.

If you're under contract, start looking for a new job. Shoot for having a new job once your contract runs out.

Again, not slavery. Sheer ignorance on your part to make that connection.

wolfy42 posted...

it's still a form of slavery, wage slavery etc.

It's not.

Far-Queue posted...

Are you afraid of financial setbacks from being without work while you seek new employment?

Absolutely yes.

Far-Queue posted...

If it's the latter, you can start looking for a job - and get hired - before you submit your resignation. People do this all the time. Just tell your new employer that your start date will have to begin in a couple weeks. They'll understand, and more than likely appreciate your showing your former employer some courtesy in giving a proper notice.

I am absolutely terrified of doing so and have had extreme pressure on my parents (this is a different subject all together) to not do so.

wolfy42 posted...

I literally said it wasn't the same, even as indentured servitude, but it's still a form of slavery, wage slavery etc.

In the same sentence you said that its a form of slavery. I honestly find it shocking that you still post the way you do. You cant expect anyone to read through all of that just to watch you talk in circles to yourself.

I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything but being a slave to the system is in no way comparable to being an actual slave.

Judgmenl posted...

Absolutely yes.

I am absolutely terrified of doing so and have had extreme pressure on my parents (this is a different subject all together) to not do so.

ok but not slavery

Judgmenl posted...

Absolutely yes.

I am absolutely terrified of doing so and have had extreme pressure on my parents (this is a different subject all together) to not do so.

Your fear doesn't make your situation "slave-like"

You're a grown man. Cool to respect your parents input, but you gotta make your own decisions. A job that appreciates your knowledge and expertise and work ethic is probably out there waiting for you. Gotta make the leap dude. If you're unhappy, shits not gonna change unless you change it

Far-Queue posted...

You're a grown man. Cool to respect your parents input, but you gotta make your own decisions. A job that appreciates your knowledge and expertise and work ethic is probably out there waiting for you. Gotta make the leap dude. If you're unhappy, shits not gonna change unless you change it

You are telling me the same thing my friends have been telling me for a while now.
I'm just not capable of taking action.

Judgmenl posted...

You are telling me the same thing my friends have been telling me for a while now.
I'm just not capable of taking action.

Then stop whining about it. I have no sympathy in this scenario

Judgmenl posted...

I'm just not capable of taking action.

Speaking to a mental health counselor about this instead of posting this type of stuff here will more than likely be beneficial for you.

Mensis posted...

Then stop whining about it. I have no sympathy in this scenario

Who are you and why are you posting in this thread?
Far-Queue I can understand. He has been very helpful in the past but I have no idea who tf you are.

On the other end - I've just realized the anxiety of finding another job is probably far better than the current anxiety that I am feeling. Every 3 or so months, I have this intense desire to just quit and move on. This job does not care about me, and I'm tired of being my co-worker's servant.

You are capable dude. Fear isn't an inescapable cage. It's just an obstacle, and it can absolutely be overcome.

Not saying you're wrong to be anxious and hesitant, but you gotta take a chance.

There's no harm in looking for a job and taking some interviews. You can do that stuff while continuing under your current situation.

Hi Im Stupid Pirate Guy, the only person whos been on this board as long as me is PO, since 2002. You posted on a public forum and if you wished to have a private conversation then there is an option to do that.

But none of that matters at all here. What you posted is radically offensive and you need to know it. Far is being much too nice

Mensis posted...

Hi Im Stupid Pirate Guy, the only person whos been in this board as long as me is PO, since 2002. You posted on a public forum and if you wished to have a private conversation then there is an option to do that.

Oh I know who you are now.

Judgmenl posted...

Oh I know who you are now.

Cool yeah, dont address anything else