Current Events > Major DCEU bombshell in Flashpoint (turbo spoilers for real)

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This movie retcons Superman out of existence. He straight up doesn't exist anymore in the movies.

Nice source.

spikethedevil posted...

Nice source.

https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1513848374755270670?s=19

This account has accurately leaked many things about marvel movies in the past.

So Black Superman from Earth-2 incoming?

They should make it so the DCEU doesn't exist in our timeline

Why would they fuck Henry Cavill like that

I guess, on the bright side, he's free to be James Bond now

Maybe Superman doesn't exist but Kal El does?

Henry Cavill Superman is so disrespected.

Whats the point of this?

I'm pretty sure there's at least one person on this message board right now who would do a better job of managing DC's characters in a cinematic universe than the dolts at WB

Tyranthraxus posted...

https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1513848374755270670?s=19

This account has accurately leaked many things about marvel movies in the past.

All I see from this link is an NFT shill @Tyranthraxus

Replace Superman with another Batman

PROBLEM SOLVED

The rumor is they want to make the big three Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman.

Superman and Batman are possibly being given the shit end of the stick.

This is the smartest move.

Superman is a trash superhero.

ColonizedMind posted...

Whats the point of this?

Superman makes the rest of the Justice League useless because he is too OP

They need to just start over. Only one worth keeping is Wonder Woman.

ColonizedMind posted...

Whats the point of this?

To retcon the "Snyderverse" so they can have a shared universe without using any of his plot points, if they want.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The rumor is they want to make the big three Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman.

The future is female.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The rumor is they want to make the big three Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman.

Superman and Batman are possibly being given the shit end of the stick.

Batman is doing just fine

WellKnownNomad posted...

All I see from this link is an NFT shill @Tyranthraxus

NFT Shill or not they have a very good track record with Marvel leaks so it's likely they have contacts in WB as well.

Ivynn posted...

Henry Cavill Superman is so disrespected.

It's up there with Ryan Reynolds GL in the positive correlation of "how big a fan the actor is" and "how shit the movie is."

Tyranthraxus posted...

NFT Shill or not they have a very good track record with Marvel leaks so it's likely they have contacts in WB as well.

Im sure hes right about capeshit because I like seeing the environment being destroyed - @Tyranthraxus

WellKnownNomad posted...

Im sure hes right about capeshit because I like seeing the environment being destroyed - @Tyranthraxus

This isn't even jumping to conclusions, homeboy straight up lifted off like a 747.

WellKnownNomad posted...

Im sure hes right about capeshit because I like seeing the environment being destroyed - @Tyranthraxus

This is not the argument you think it is.

DrizztLink posted...

This isn't even jumping to conclusions, homeboy straight up lifted off like a 747.

Im right though

You are at best confused and at worst outright fucking delusional.

DrizztLink posted...

You are at best confused and at worst outright fucking delusional.

I havent been proven wrong though

Is it possible this is to set up for a fresh set of Superman movies that aren't tied to the DCEU with Cavil still in the lead? Removing Superman from the DCEU doesn't mean they're going to stop making Superman movies.

s0nicfan posted...

Is it possible this is to set up for a fresh set of Superman movies that aren't tied to the DCEU with Cavil still in the lead? Removing Superman from the DCEU doesn't mean they're going to stop making Superman movies.

That might be the plan. Maybe they feel Superman just doesn't really mesh well with their other heroes on the big screen.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That might be the plan. Maybe they feel Superman just doesn't really mesh well with their other heroes on the big screen.

That's assuming DC makes good (or even okay) decisions.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That might be the plan. Maybe they feel Superman just doesn't really mesh well with their other heroes on the big screen.

I mean.. I know I'm huffing massive amounts of copium in even suggesting such a thing, but I'd LOVE to see Cavil playing a more traditional, hopeful superman and that's just not possible with the continuity that he's been dragged through.

Ugh. Im tried of writers not understanding how a Flashpoint Paradox actually works. Its like that stupid cartoon movie where Wonder Woman turns into a blood thirsty murdering monster because Barrys mom lived. Idiot writers.

Anyway... the DC movie verse is a complete loss. Its unsalvageable. Throw it in the bin and start over.

s0nicfan posted...

Is it possible this is to set up for a fresh set of Superman movies that aren't tied to the DCEU with Cavil still in the lead? Removing Superman from the DCEU doesn't mean they're going to stop making Superman movies.

That's best case scenario. So it's almost certainly not what's happening.

WellKnownNomad posted...

I havent been proven wrong though

Weird @DrizztLink or @Tyranthraxus havent proven me wrong yet

Tyranthraxus posted...

That might be the plan. Maybe they feel Superman just doesn't really mesh well with their other heroes on the big screen.

Maybe...maybe they're moving Superman to the Reevesverse....?

Sigh, probably not.

I don't know why they'd come to that conclusion when Superman meshes well with other heroes in literally every other medium. But the only other reason would be movie execs just suck at making decisions and there's no way they'd admit that.

Twitter comments say Zod killed Superman as a baby. If thats true then they didnt just remove or delay Supermans arrival. They straight up killed him off.

BeyondWalls posted...

Its like that stupid cartoon movie where Wonder Woman turns into a blood thirsty murdering monster because Barrys mom lived.

As it turns out, Barry's mom was the single greatest danger to Earth, judging by how her presence throws everything to shit, including changing murders that I'm pretty sure had already happened (Waynes).

Zoom or whoever actually did humanity a solid there.

BeyondWalls posted...

Twitter comments say Zod killed Superman as a baby. If thats true then they didnt just remove or delay Supermans arrival. They straight up killed him off.

I think that's just speculation.

WellKnownNomad posted...

Weird @DrizztLink or @Tyranthraxus havent proven me wrong yet

"Notice me guys" - WellKnownNomad

Ivynn posted...

"Notice me guys" - WellKnownNomad

Im still right and havent been proven wrong though

The past ten years of Superman material makes me want to shoot myself in the head.

Man of Steel was a gritty, overwrought piece of dogshit, BvS was a cinematic abortion, it took like four more years after the shitty Justice League retinkering before anything remotely Superman-esque happened in the Snyder movies (during which they apparently made a better Superman movie in Shazam than anything Superman himself had been in before), and the animated movie reboot that added a continuity to all the movies began with a really jarheaded dickhead version of Superman that fucking sucked.

All-Star Superman was a flawed movie, a bit slow in places, but it captured the essence of what Superman should be about. The DCEU took a character who's a protector, who embodies hope and justice, who - despite being more powerful than us in almost every possible measure - embodies the human condition so much, and they made a movie where he commits like 20 9/11s in a row. And then they killed him, and then they brought him back, and he did jack shit for years until they wrote him out of the live-action movies. That's combined with all of the media where they turned him into an unstoppable neck-breaking fascist so people could root for Batman to stop him.

Are we really so personally wounded, is the collective public consciousness truly so shattered by war and terrorism and political divide, that we can't place our hope in a character who can genuinely hold the world on his shoulders? Can we have a Superman story where the conflict is whether the character can truly live up to his ideals, where the movie affirms that even in the face of the greatest adversity, he has the determination and ability to do anything he puts his mind to? Because fuck, it's a lot more assuring and fantastic than seeing a superpowered human being accidentally enact 9/11 and kill thousands of people because that's what would actually happen if a flying invincible brick ran into a skyscraper.

No wait, I've got it wrong. It's not that we're collectively so traumatized by all this from shit we're living through that a live-action Superman couldn't possibly exist without addressing that trauma. The REAL issue here is that SuPeRmAn iS a MaRy-SuE SeLf-InSeRt bEtA CuCk wHo'S ToO BoRiNg

WellKnownNomad posted...

Im still right and havent been proven wrong though

I submit the following proof:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/1/AARLwzAADIJZ.jpg

Tyranthraxus posted...

I submit the following proof:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/1/AARLwzAADIJZ.jpg

Sad!!!!!!

I wonder if any trolls/shitposters here ever just stop to look at their messages and think "yeah this is worth posting" before they hit the Post New Message button.

MrMallard posted...

The past ten years of Superman material makes me want to shoot myself in the head.

Man of Steel was a gritty, overwrought piece of dogshit, BvS was a cinematic abortion, it took like four more years after the shitty Justice League retinkering before anything remotely Superman-esque happened in the Snyder movies (during which they apparently made a better Superman movie in Shazam than anything Superman himself had been in before), and the animated movie reboot that added a continuity to all the movies began with a really jarheaded dickhead version of Superman that fucking sucked.

All-Star Superman was a flawed movie, a bit slow in places, but it captured the essence of what Superman should be about. The DCEU took a character who's a protector, who embodies hope and justice, who - despite being more powerful than us in almost every possible measure - embodies the human condition so much, and they made a movie where he commits like 20 9/11s in a row. And then they killed him, and then they brought him back, and he did jack shit for years until they wrote him out of the live-action movies. That's combined with all of the media where they turned him into an unstoppable neck-breaking fascist so people could root for Batman to stop him.

Are we really so personally wounded, is the collective public consciousness truly so shattered by war and terrorism and political divide, that we can't place our hope in a character who can genuinely hold the world on his shoulders? Can we have a Superman story where the conflict is whether the character can truly live up to his ideals, where the movie affirms that even in the face of the greatest adversity, he has the determination and ability to do anything he puts his mind to? Because fuck, it's a lot more assuring and fantastic than seeing a superpowered human being accidentally enact 9/11 and kill thousands of people because that's what would actually happen if a flying invincible brick ran into a skyscraper.

No wait, I've got it wrong. It's not that we're collectively so traumatized by all this from shit we're living through that a live-action Superman couldn't possibly exist without addressing that trauma. The REAL issue here is that SuPeRmAn iS a MaRy-SuE SeLf-InSeRt bEtA CuCk wHo'S ToO BoRiNg

I would definitely check out Superman and Lois on the CW/HBO Max. It's a nice proper take on Superman. It's technically Arrowverse-related but requires no prior viewing of any other Arrowverse shows and is both tonally and stylistically different than the rest of CWs stuff.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That might be the plan. Maybe they feel Superman just doesn't really mesh well with their other heroes on the big screen.

That's because he doesn't. Superman is OP. He works in comics and cartoons. In movies, he just invites himself to too many reasonable critiques fresh off the bat.

He's a fucking god. Works fine as an antagonist, but as the good guy? its makes an already predictable story line just boring

BeantownHero posted...

That's because he doesn't. Superman is OP. He works in comics and cartoons. In movies, he just invites himself to too many reasonable critiques fresh off the bat.

He's a fucking god. Works fine as an antagonist, but as the good guy? its makes an already predictable story line just boring

I'd argue that Superman is boring regardless of the media.

Movies? OP he will win minimal effort.
Cartoons? Same.
Comics? Blew away a solar system, tanks Kryptonite, etc etc
Video Games? There's a reason why developers don't even bother with him.