Current Events > Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas wins women's 500-yard NCAA title

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jumi posted...

...and you generally won't be wrong.

Lol

Jx1010 posted...

Why not have a third category: men, women, transgender?
Why hasnt that happened?

Because

1. There wouldn't be enough transgenders for a league
2. Transgenders who want to compete with their own gender would still feel insulted
3. No one would watch it
4. No one would fund it

it'd literally be a lose lose solution for everyone

UnfairRepresent posted...

Because

1. There wouldn't be enough transgenders for a league
2. Transgenders who want to compete with their own gender would still feel insulted
3. No one would watch it
4. No one would fund it

it'd literally be a lose lose solution for everyone

Maybe one year you'll stop saying "transgenders"

You can always tell the argument is ironclad when the response is desperate attempts to either ignore it or control the conversation with nonsense derailment

So, if hormones are such a big issue, where's the outcry when a student athlete goes through an early puberty in middle/high school? Don't they have an "unfair biological advantage" too?

It seems to me that this is more about discriminating against trans people rather than actually caring about "unfair biological advantages"

https://youtu.be/4GeQ_LvxCOM

This is a great video going into all the science and biology of it being unfair, for those who are interested

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

https://youtu.be/4GeQ_LvxCOM

This is a great video going into all the science and biology of it being unfair, for those who are interested

Another good one: https://theconversation.com/do-naturally-high-testosterone-levels-equal-stronger-female-athletic-performance-not-necessarily-160009

CRON posted...

Can everyone in this topic admit that they really don't give a shit about transgender people in athletics and just want to argue whatever opinions they have regarding trans issues?

Actually I'd argue the opposite. They only care about transgender issues. Whenever there's an argument with chuds about police brutality, institutionalized racism, LGBT teaching in school, womens rights, income inequality, racism at the border, etc, etc....they aren't there to help the cause. I know this because it's only the chuds that melt down whenever we hand their asses to them in arguments. If they were there fighting with us, we'd appreciate their fighting spirit and willingness to display so much emotion. But turns out it's just melting down over not listening to what people have to say just like the chuds do.

Anyway can I ask a question if it hasn't been answered already?

If Lia Thomas was ranked #462 in the men's division, how did she get better? Was it through training? I'm curious to what made her #1 in the women's division.

IanKinglerFalfl posted...

Anyway can I ask a question if it hasn't been answered already?

If Lia Thomas was ranked #462 in the men's division, how did she get better? Was it through training? I'm curious to what made her #1 in the women's division.

Raw, natural, God given talent and dedication to the sport and a drive to be number 1 by any means necessary.

Flauros posted...

Raw, natural, God given talent and dedication to the sport and a drive to be number 1 by any means necessary.

Are you implying that cis women can't do the same in say, baseball? There's not ban on women in MLB

IanKinglerFalfl posted...

Are you implying that cis women can't do the same in say, baseball? There's not ban on women in MLB

I imply nothing

IanKinglerFalfl posted...

Are you implying that cis women can't do the same in say, baseball? There's not ban on women in MLB

Sounds like someone else is making implications.

So if cis women try hard enough they can make a MLB team? Why haven't we seen any?

The best ally of them all

Allies ask questions to answers they don't know so they can respond to accordingly when someone from the other side uses a strawman or some other bullshit.

I don't get questioned about this when I ask about other progressive issues.

Yes yes, its tough to be you.

So are you going to answer the question or are you going to leave me in the dark?

idk, tell me how to best support u in ur struggle, "ally"

Why is it hard to understand that mosy people dont come from a bigoted place when worrying about transwomen in females sports. I fap to transwomen, I'll date them, fuck them , marry them...but playing in women leagues is something that has to be regulated.

IanKinglerFalfl posted...

So if cis women try hard enough they can make a MLB team? Why haven't we seen any?

Reminder that Kingler is definitely not a transphobic concern troll.

greyfox747 posted...

idk, tell me how to best support u in ur struggle, "ally"

It's not my struggle. It's the struggle of trans.

But in regards to this, it would help if you weren't disengenuous and you actually provided education.

Which raises an interesting question. If someone took a trans studies class in college, are they all concern troll bigots?

TMOG posted...

Reminder that Kingler is definitely not a transphobic concern troll.

I thought you went to sleep?

IanKinglerFalfl posted...

I thought you went to sleep?

I said I was going to take a shower

I'm starting to understand why you struggle at this

ZMythos posted...

So, if hormones are such a big issue, where's the outcry when a student athlete goes through an early puberty in middle/high school? Don't they have an "unfair biological advantage" too?

It seems to me that this is more about discriminating against trans people rather than actually caring about "unfair biological advantages"

This is dishonest

JimRob posted...

This is dishonest

I mean, I don't actually care about hormones or "unfair biological advantage". I'm calling attention to the fact that it happens (possibly more frequently) elsewhere in sports, yet all of the concern is directed to trans athletes.

Good for her. Everyone has unfair biological advantages/disadvantages. Top athletes get there through a lot of work, but to be one of the best you need to have a lot of natural talent and the right build as well.

She has fantastic legs.
And the only true liberation is total.

TMOG posted...

Reminder that Kingler is definitely not a transphobic concern troll.

The best part is when new users show up and "just ask questions" with just enough plausible deniability, that when called out on the obvious undertones of their post by people that know enough to see through the bullshit, they can go "wow so much for the tolerant left, see how they treat people trying to be their allies"?

A sneaky tactic but one that is lost on a board like CE where there are so few legitimately new users that they're not fooling anyone

ZMythos posted...

I mean, I don't actually care about hormones or "unfair biological advantage". I'm calling attention to the fact that it happens (possibly more frequently) elsewhere in sports, yet all of the concern is directed to trans athletes.

No clue

Doesn't Michael Phelps produce less lactic acid than a regular athlete? Where do we draw the line at "biological advantages"?

Also feel like no one actually gives a shit about these sports regularly, and people only want to be assholes to trans people.

You say "scientific" but it's still ultimately feelings.

And also trans women playing in sports is regulated.

Why do people keep trying to compare minor biological advantages to the broad advantage that divides the two sexes? The whole point of everything going on right now is to argue that those advantages are brought to an even playing field through HRT. It's just a completely nonsensical tangent.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Doesn't Michael Phelps produce less lactic acid than a regular athlete? Where do we draw the line at "biological advantages"?

Also feel like no one actually gives a shit about these sports regularly, and people only want to be assholes to trans people.

Correct, he's also got disproportionately long arms that are in like the 100th percentile for wingspan ratio. Meanwhile Caster Semenya is cis, possibly intersex, and to continue competing she'd have to take medicine to reduce her natural levels of hormones. When a guy does it it's fine, when a minority woman does it she's "cheating" and so on.

Nemu posted...

Why do people keep trying to compare minor biological advantages to the broad advantage that divides the two sexes? The whole point of everything going on right now is to argue that those advantages are brought to an even playing field through HRT. It's just a completely nonsensical tangent.

If a 5ft tall person plays basketball against a 6ft 8in tall person, their "biological advantage" has nothing to do with sex, and would be anything but minor.

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People cite advantages, but the question remains: what constitutes an "unfair advantage"?

Gwynevere posted...

The best part is when new users show up and "just ask questions" with just enough plausible deniability, that when called out on the obvious undertones of their post by people that know enough to see through the bullshit, they can go "wow so much for the tolerant left, see how they treat people trying to be their allies"?

A sneaky tactic but one that is lost on a board like CE where there are so few legitimately new users that they're not fooling anyone

Or you know, just answer the question.

ZMythos posted...

If a 5ft tall person plays basketball against a 6ft 8in tall person, their "biological advantage" has nothing to do with sex, and would be anything but minor.

That's the kind of difference that is solved through different divisions. Though obviously there's next to no interest for that in basketball at the moment. Given that people closer to 5'0 have competed in the NBA, it's also not the widest gulf in the world.

But again, that's nothing to the gulf between men and women in general. We require sufficient proof that HRT actually makes things fair, and I really don't think the massive jumps some trans women make in rank between competing with men and competing with women really shows that to be the case. You'd expect them to be within a certain percentage of their rank when competing with men, not jumping hundreds of places, let alone jumping to the very top from the very low in this particular case.

Nemu posted...

We require sufficient proof that HRT actually makes things fair

It's the opposite actually. Prove that trans women competing is unfair.

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The meme itself is transphobic because it implies there is a natural biological advantage with cis men going through puberty.

god you're so bad at this

You're very bad at mod baiting

I will post on my opinions. My real opinions on gamefaqs subreddit

Rayman2943 posted...

I will post on my opinions. My real opinions on gamefaqs subreddit

Racist one or less racist one?

has there ever been 2 trans athletes competing for the same award

Nukazie posted...

has there ever been 2 trans athletes competing for the same award

Yeah, remember that controversy over the two trans women competing in track in CT?
https://www.outsports.com/2021/4/25/22402933/trans-athlete-lawsuit-andraya-yearwood-terry-miller-connecticut-adf-federal-judge
One of the plaintiffs in the case actually beat one of the defendant on two occasions (ironically soon after the suit was filed), which suggests that Terry Miller did not, in fact, enjoy some sort of insurmountable advantage.