Board 8 > Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia - Topic 6 - Conquest (Ablaze)

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:03:09 PM
#51:


changmas posted...
But then you have the same opinion as Sheep did. Despite you pointing this out (see bolded) in a way that makes it seem like you don't agree.
It wouldn't be a 100% clear in that scenario. Is this going to be a reading comprehension thing at this point?

I said it's not a 100% clear because they had nothing to fear by it.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:04:35 PM
#53:


Sheep007 posted...
"A bunch" might be overstating it. But on P9 of topic 2

and after Chris responded that a cop was not required, you said that...
I was speaking from me knowing I was a backup, yes. I didn't say we had too much scanning roles. I said we have too much confirmable+power. Obviously the gimmick is there isn't any really scanning power

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:07:31 PM
#54:


Sheep007 posted...
Hey, Corrik, it sounds like a good time to reveal why you said this.

How did you come to this conclusion at the time and at what point did this opinion change?
It's based on my role. Everything starts to get too strong. And it was correct. Cop and tracker look like they apparently don't actually exist. Which lines up with what I thought based on my role.

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MZero
03/10/22 6:11:14 PM
#55:


I'm here if you want to go Sheep

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MZero
03/10/22 6:11:47 PM
#56:


I'd rather Scare be here too but eh

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:18:12 PM
#57:


Okay, coming out of the first two days...

Corrik actually looks kinda fine? Like, there's a pretty clear reason why I had a neutral/town lean read on him up til yesterday, and I know he's a good player as either alignment. There's nothing that sticks out as godawful anywhere. There's also nothing that looks amazing? Like, there's not many things he did where I went "okay that probably ain't scum Corrik" either. I've come out of all of this with a shockingly neutral read and I'm almost leaning Muyo for the lynch today. One little question, though.

Corrik7 posted...
So, I now see why Shonen is being coached. He is in a mason chat.

So Shonen and Ben are town. Red is town. Chris is null if not scum. Sheep I would trust with my life as town. Chang I am not sure on because I could see Ulti bussing his teammate. Chris can't be scum with both Chang and Ulti though, he wouldn't have forced claims for his whole team that way. Death looks a tad better for now because he actually called out the formatting issue while Chang who was there right then didn't even bat an eye at it.

Town (In order of how of highest to lowest)
Sheep (I know he is above pretty much confirmed town - should show you how town he is)
Shonen
Ben
Red
Han
Death

Null
IGCD
Muyo
Mzero

Scum
Chris
Tidus
Chang
Ulti

I am aware this is not the scum team because Chris and Chang and Ulti are not all on it. Thus, scum is likely in the nulls also. I am confident 100% on town for everyone above Han though. (So if I got tricked it's in Han and death - though I don't think so).
This post really rubs me the wrong way. For context, post #252 topic 2. In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town. You explain why in this post, but it feels a little much to switch from being possibly biggest pusher of his lynch along with me, to sticking him as Town.

I may be wrong, but I think this is your very next post addressing your read on Death, a topic and a half and an in-game day later.

Corrik7 posted...
Death has looked like crap to be fair.

There's no real explanation of your transition of reads, and this post came when the idea of a Death lynch gained some momentum again. You clearly start addressing the possibility of Death being scanned, and at the time it becomes obvious that there's only a few targets for my scan, you decide on the Death lynch. There's more than one explanation here, but one that sprung to mind was you realised there were only so many targets for my scan, and only one that would make you look good. In this scenario, Chang is Town, and you're scum. Chris is obviously scum. The remaining scan possibility is scum Death. His time is already pretty clearly limited, he probably used his vig shot, and it's really only a matter of time until he's lynched. I think at a surface glance, the Death stuff makes you look pretty great, but not so much when you look a bit closer.

I do feel better about Corrik after that readthrough, but that is a pretty glaring issue that I'd like to hear more about from the man himself.

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:21:03 PM
#58:


Sheep007 posted...
Chang is Town, and you're scum. Chris is obviously scum
Chris is not obviously scum. That should read obviously town. Chris is not, to my knowledge, reverse death miller.

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TidusOfTheX
03/10/22 6:21:25 PM
#59:


I'm facepalming after reading that. Why would Corrik do that

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:22:01 PM
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MZero posted...
I'm here if you want to go Sheep
I kinda wouldn't mind it but I also don't trust Scare enough to want to give him unnecessary prep time.

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Fastbreak
03/10/22 6:23:02 PM
#61:


If corrik is lynched and flips town I'll take all the blame myself

But I refuse to believe his claim and I don't see what he gains from it as town

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Fastbreak
03/10/22 6:23:30 PM
#62:


I have nothing to claim you guys know what I am already

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:23:53 PM
#63:


TidusOfTheX posted...
I'm facepalming after reading that. Why would Corrik do that
I have no idea what exactly you mean by this but please think critically for yourself. This post is legitimately the one thing from Corrik's first two days that I think looks bad, but it's not damning. Maybe go back and have a read through to see if you'll spot anything different.

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changmas
03/10/22 6:25:37 PM
#64:


Fastbreak posted...
I have nothing to claim you guys know what I am already

maybe you could say it again for those of us who don't

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:26:00 PM
#65:


Scare. Buddy. Work with us here. I wanna trust you, but I've not had much of a reason to since D1 apart from believing Ben's read. I felt a lil bit of fire when you were chasing Chris and nothing else since. I don't care if you take the blame for a mislynch, I want to win.

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TidusOfTheX
03/10/22 6:26:01 PM
#66:


Sheep007 posted...
In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town


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Fastbreak
03/10/22 6:26:29 PM
#67:


Basilio vanilla

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TidusOfTheX
03/10/22 6:27:01 PM
#68:


Fastbreak posted...
Basilio vanilla
thought you were mayor?

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Fastbreak
03/10/22 6:27:37 PM
#69:


Sheep007 posted...
Scare. Buddy. Work with us here. I wanna trust you, but I've not had much of a reason to since D1 apart from believing Ben's read. I felt a lil bit of fire when you were chasing Chris and nothing else since. I don't care if you take the blame for a mislynch, I want to win.

My confidence meter is a bit off, but nothing about corriks claim adds up. It should be damning, but I've got nothing else beyond that.

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changmas
03/10/22 6:27:47 PM
#70:


Now Sheep, MZero, if you will?

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Fastbreak
03/10/22 6:28:02 PM
#71:


TidusOfTheX posted...
thought you were mayor?

That's what I wanted you to think yes

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MZero
03/10/22 6:28:46 PM
#72:


Eh not really much point in same timing

Gaius, Vanilla TOWN

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:29:14 PM
#73:


TidusOfTheX posted...
In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town
Cool, but he does provide reasoning. I don't think that itself is a problem, but the reasoning feels flimsy and he flip flops on it very quickly - when the Death lynch has momentum, he's following it, when it doesn't, he's rapidly off. Even that isn't awful and can be explained by him just being someone who goes with the flow, but it's the leap to calling him town and back to scum I dislike.

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TidusOfTheX
03/10/22 6:29:23 PM
#74:


Fastbreak posted...
That's what I wanted you to think yes
Why did you fake claim mayor?

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:29:33 PM
#75:


Cordelia, Vanilla town

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:30:14 PM
#76:


Sheep007 posted...
Okay, coming out of the first two days...

Corrik actually looks kinda fine? Like, there's a pretty clear reason why I had a neutral/town lean read on him up til yesterday, and I know he's a good player as either alignment. There's nothing that sticks out as godawful anywhere. There's also nothing that looks amazing? Like, there's not many things he did where I went "okay that probably ain't scum Corrik" either. I've come out of all of this with a shockingly neutral read and I'm almost leaning Muyo for the lynch today. One little question, though.

This post really rubs me the wrong way. For context, post #252 topic 2. In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town. You explain why in this post, but it feels a little much to switch from being possibly biggest pusher of his lynch along with me, to sticking him as Town.

I may be wrong, but I think this is your very next post addressing your read on Death, a topic and a half and an in-game day later.

There's no real explanation of your transition of reads, and this post came when the idea of a Death lynch gained some momentum again. You clearly start addressing the possibility of Death being scanned, and at the time it becomes obvious that there's only a few targets for my scan, you decide on the Death lynch. There's more than one explanation here, but one that sprung to mind was you realised there were only so many targets for my scan, and only one that would make you look good. In this scenario, Chang is Town, and you're scum. Chris is obviously scum. The remaining scan possibility is scum Death. His time is already pretty clearly limited, he probably used his vig shot, and it's really only a matter of time until he's lynched. I think at a surface glance, the Death stuff makes you look pretty great, but not so much when you look a bit closer.

I do feel better about Corrik after that readthrough, but that is a pretty glaring issue that I'd like to hear more about from the man himself.
Deaths play looked like crap, but he was the one to catch the write up inconsistency with Ulti right? It's why I said Ulti looks better today now that Chris is town and with knowing Death was scum. The two things that were against Ulti mostly have become completely false. I mean, Ulti still hasn't done much at all, but the things pointing against him have disappeared.

It had nothing to do with whatever reasoning you said. It was solely on the fact that Deaths claim matched the proper write up, ultis didn't. And I believe death was the one who caught it. It's why I suspected Chang for not noticing it and/or turning a blind eye to it.

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changmas
03/10/22 6:31:40 PM
#77:


To Summarize:

Ben - Chrom, Mason
changmas - Marth, Vanilla
ChichiriMuyo - Catria, Outsider (Miller)
Corrik - Robin, Backup -> Bodyguard
MZero - Gaius, Vanilla
ScareChan - Basilio, Vanilla
Sheep007 - Cordelia, Vanilla
TidusOfTheX - Anna, Merchant (Inventor)
Ultimaterializer - Tiki, Vanilla

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:31:44 PM
#78:


Corrik7 posted...
Deaths play looked like crap, but he was the one to catch the write up inconsistency with Ulti right? It's why I said Ulti looks better today now that Chris is town and with knowing Death was scum. The two things that were against Ulti mostly have become completely false. I mean, Ulti still hasn't done much at all, but the things pointing against him have disappeared.

It had nothing to do with whatever reasoning you said. It was solely on the fact that Deaths claim matched the proper write up, ultis didn't. And I believe death was the one who caught it. It's why I suspected Chang for not noticing it and/or turning a blind eye to it.
Cool. Your reads sure do change on a dime, occasionally drastically and with little explanation, eh?

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:32:31 PM
#79:


boy I sure was right d1 when I said that's too much vanilla

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:33:46 PM
#80:


also not saying I'm cop but if I were I would have scanned MZero town D1, Chang town D2 and been roleblocked last night

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changmas
03/10/22 6:34:48 PM
#81:


changmas posted...
To Summarize:

Ben - Chrom, Mason
changmas - Marth, Vanilla
ChichiriMuyo - Catria, Outsider (Miller)
Corrik - Robin, Backup -> Bodyguard
MZero - Gaius, Vanilla
ScareChan - Basilio, Vanilla
Sheep007 - Cordelia, Vanilla
TidusOfTheX - Anna, Merchant (Inventor)
Ultimaterializer - Tiki, Vanilla

Just for the sake of completion:

IGCD - Owain, Vanilla
Shonen - Frederick, Mason Bodyguard
Han - Kjelle, Bulletproof
Chris - Lissa, Doctor
red - Tharja, Vanilla

Death, MAFIA Vigilante

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:36:49 PM
#82:


Sheep007 posted...
Cool. Your reads sure do change on a dime, occasionally drastically and with little explanation, eh?
Anyone's reads should be able to change on a dime when new information is inserted into the game. You are either lazy, stubborn, or bad if your reads don't evolve and can't whiplash when information is inserted that would change them. How many people were sure Chris was scum yesterday? Him being town whiplashes reads instantly. Like my major thing on Ulti was a link with him and either Chris or Chang as scum. The Chang and Ulti link was predicated a lot with the Death interaction. Without these things here, Ulti comes out looking way better. Chang I don't know why is getting a free pass because he looks super measured this entire game and many times has been noncommittal. I get your scan, but I am not sure how much it means. I mean, it's a stronger reasoning if there is no roleblocker to have stopped it I suppose.

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MZero
03/10/22 6:37:09 PM
#83:


Sheep007 posted...
also not saying I'm cop but if I were I would have scanned MZero town D1, Chang town D2 and been roleblocked last night

Bless

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:37:56 PM
#84:


Sheep007 posted...
also not saying I'm cop but if I were I would have scanned MZero town D1, Chang town D2 and been roleblocked last night
Is the chang thing why you were being coy with your scan???

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:39:20 PM
#85:


Corrik7 posted...
Is the chang thing why you were being coy with your scan???
Wouldn't you like to know

scum will just have to shoot me to find out ;)

but then I would say that, since I'm just a babby widdle vanilla and want to get shot UwU

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:42:02 PM
#86:


Um, okay.

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:43:18 PM
#87:


I'm very sorry for that last line.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:45:13 PM
#88:


I don't see the angle to be coy here like Chris told you about chang the other day. Scum already knows if you are lying or not probably. You are claiming a roleblock. They will know if they did or not. Also, if any of the people you just named are actually scum they know you are lying.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:46:48 PM
#89:


Plus, drawing a shot to yourself even if Vanilla seems pointless because most the game agrees you are town? I don't see the angle as town or scum here. It just seems odd. Lol.

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:49:45 PM
#90:


I'm aware of all that. Just wanna maybe draw the shot and have some fun with the scum team, yanno? I reckon it'd be pretty funny if they thought I was cop. Which, to clarify, I am not. That was, in fact, a shitpost. I just scrolled through about four and a half topics of mafia again, and a hundred plus of your posts. Cut me some slack.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:54:19 PM
#91:


Sheep007 posted...
I'm aware of all that. Just wanna maybe draw the shot and have some fun with the scum team, yanno? I reckon it'd be pretty funny if they thought I was cop. Which, to clarify, I am not. That was, in fact, a shitpost. I just scrolled through about four and a half topics of mafia again, and a hundred plus of your posts. Cut me some slack.
I was excited about having new information to find scum. Confirming a roleblocker and Chang and mzero as town would have narrowed everything squarely onto Scare, ulti, and muyo. But I am not out of the woods with Tidus either. It's just hard to fathom his claim when and how and the manner. Then again, muyos claim is mindblowing also. You being cop actually would have brought more credence to his claim. But, you being cop is likely unrealistic with the power and confirmables too. Which could make Tidus even worse if true, I suppose.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 6:56:01 PM
#92:


I forgot Scare rescinded his mayor claim which took a confirmable off the board too. Hmmm.

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Sheep007
03/10/22 6:58:39 PM
#93:


I was legit considering claiming cop today to see the reactions and hopefully genuinely get myself shot but seeing myself get irritated by Scare's claim made me think it was a bad idea. I am genuinely kinda surprised there's been no solid new info today. I think this game is very scumhunting-centric, even more so than others. Which is absolutely godawful for us given the way this game has panned out since the mason claims.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 7:00:06 PM
#95:


Sheep007 posted...
I was legit considering claiming cop today to see the reactions and hopefully genuinely get myself shot but seeing myself get irritated by Scare's claim made me think it was a bad idea. I am genuinely kinda surprised there's been no solid new info today. I think this game is very scumhunting-centric, even more so than others. Which is absolutely godawful for us given the way this game has panned out since the mason claims.
I think that Luis is trying to prove that you don't have to rely on a crutch of investigative roles to play mafia. I think. There is way too much protective roles to off set nothing investigative.

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Sheep007
03/10/22 7:00:39 PM
#96:


But yeah, probably no roleblocker. Scum had to gamble on killing Red because if he actually was tracker, three nights of info was far more than it was worth risking, considering who was left on the board.

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Sheep007
03/10/22 7:03:33 PM
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I feel like the two are the same person and therefore mutually exclusive, no? And we've literally had games with the main character on the safelist before.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 7:05:23 PM
#99:


Sheep007 posted...
But yeah, probably no roleblocker. Scum had to gamble on killing Red because if he actually was tracker, three nights of info was far more than it was worth risking, considering who was left on the board.
Then they have a ninja imo or scum has someone who was confident scum was lying day 1. I actually considered they roleblocked me night 3. Me and you were the top unclaimeds on the board imo. If Tidus is town and can really take votes, they probably want that existing late in the game so they can eliminate 2 town votes at once for a day. Not sure how that works with the meta of roleblocking regarding him, but if they assessed if he is town that he is likely to mislynch it may provide cover for a scum vote or take away a town vote that could have hurt scum elsewhere I suppose.

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Corrik7
03/10/22 7:06:22 PM
#100:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I have a very hard time buying Marth being in the game but not Lucina.
Can you explain this more?

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