Board 8 > B8 Yugioh MasterDuel Tournament Signup Thread 3 (Modern & Rarity Lock) [ygo]

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Kateee 2-1 me XARL

I'll be available for all my matches after 2PM EST.

Scep 2-0 Reg in XARL

Reg 2-0 Abacus in Modern

Abacus 2-1 over Kateee in Modern

Reg 2-0 Kateee in Modern

*2-1

i demand my one game to be written down in history!!11

Oh, right, derp

I had managed to completely wipe that first game out just because of how poorly it went for me

that second game went about as poor as it could for me

i don't think i actually played a single card

kateee posted...

that second game went about as poor as it could for me

i don't think i actually played a single card

Unless you count the Maxx Cs, you didn't yeah.

oh right

the card i drew off of Maxx C?

...another Maxx C

me 2-1 Tangy Modern

Scep wins XARL undefeated!

Dang, nice Scep!

the HOF pick! a spell!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/8/AAcxR5AADBni.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/8/AADzgHAADBns.jpg

Sharks. The main deck is just very straightforward, any good Fish or Fish support made it in. The extra deck was a struggle to the end. And Ice Princess Zereort is accidentally unsummonable. I'll call that Kamishiro sibling moral support. Anyway this deck was so good that I'll happily use it for the N/R event once we get that.

oh i misunderstood what you were saying in the discord about Ice Princess

i thought you meant you were saying you replaced the Ice Princess with a different XYZ and that was unsummonablel

Reg 2-0 Tangy for Modern, so I take that one.

The HoF pick has to be Domain, especially since Vanity's Fiend wasn't a huge player this time around (Majesty's Fiend kinda was though)

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/0/02/DomainoftheTrueMonarchs-MAGO-EN-R-1E.png/

two spells!

Reg would also have gone undefeated if it weren't for that one game i won. muhahaha

Also, Decklists. Both were tweaked a bit since the last tournament. No Extra Decks on either one, since they're Monarchs.

Modern: (Notably, +1 Vanity's Fiend -1 uhh, Return of the Monarchs IIRC compared to previous tournaments, also v2 is a lie at this point but I've kept it)https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/1/AAblerAADBnv.jpg

XARL (Dropped some stuff that I forget for a pair of MST and Escalation):
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/2/AAblerAADBnw.jpg

Sceptilesolar posted...

Anyway this deck was so good that I'll happily use it for the N/R event once we get that.

yeah i'd be interested to see how it does against the field

Also, not today, but probably across evenings this week or next weekend I'll be looking for casual games to help test and tweak my zombie deck if people have time

Reg posted...

Also, not today, but probably across evenings this week or next weekend I'll be looking for casual games to help test and tweak my zombie deck if people have time

Just send me a message whenever, and I can help.

so here's the randomizer process i had in mind. i looked around and this looks to be the easiest for the time being. it will be on DUELING BOOK.

Steps:

Go to https://ygoprodeck.com/card-database/deck-prices/
Tools -> Randomizer Settings -> Highlander. Then Tools -> Randomize. You should get a 60 card main deck & 15 card extra deck.
Export -> To .ydk Deck File. Save the file.
Log in to your DuelingBook account.
Deck Constructor -> Import Deck. Select .ydk file.

You will most likely get some unplayable cards (no available targets, etc.). There are also a handful of cards that the randomizer could give you that don't exist on DuelingBook so you may end up with less than 60 cards. You can move unplayable/unwanted cards to your side deck. I ended up with 42 card main deck for my trial run. If people end up with less than 40, we can supplement that with another randomizer.

If anybody wants to test the format either today/during the week/weekend we can try.

Modern:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/7/AAcxR5AADBoT.jpg

seemed like Shine Ball was glued to my opening hand at times. i think this was the deck to finally convince me to really try to go for 40 even instead of always leaving it a bit over like i always do. Lightning Storm should probably get cut; opened with it i think literally every game/can't do shit with it going first and i have too many continuous stuff and the one game it was good seems like the exception.

XARL:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/8/AAcxR5AADBoU.jpg

summoning the big guy from the deck was funny at least.

kateee posted...

so here's the randomizer process i had in mind. i looked around and this looks to be the easiest for the time being. it will be on DUELING BOOK.

Steps:

Go to https://ygoprodeck.com/card-database/deck-prices/
Tools -> Randomizer Settings -> Highlander. Then Tools -> Randomize. You should get a 60 card main deck & 15 card extra deck.
Export -> To .ydk Deck File. Save the file.
Log in to your DuelingBook account.
Deck Constructor -> Import Deck. Select .ydk file.

You will most likely get some unplayable cards (no available targets, etc.). There are also a handful of cards that the randomizer could give you that don't exist on DuelingBook so you may end up with less than 60 cards. You can move unplayable/unwanted cards to your side deck. I ended up with 42 card main deck for my trial run. If people end up with less than 40, we can supplement that with another randomizer.

If anybody wants to test the format either today/during the week/weekend we can try.

Being locked to only 60 cards is a real bummer. With that limit, it seems like you're in serious danger of getting stuck with cards in your Main Deck that literally can't be played. Maybe if it were doubled up?

Ideally I would also have wanted the initial number of cards you get to be higher but that's just what the randomizer gives you and this is what seems the most convenient at the moment. It's minimal effort and you won't have to do any searching to add cards/look up their effects. I can have a deck ready in like 5-10 minutes. Not a very good deck but a deck nonetheless.

My original idea was to put a list of cards through randomizer and give everyone who signs up a list of like 100 cards but I ended up going with this at first because

1. you would have to look up every card;
2. the deckbuilding process would take much longer
3. the randomizer actually gives you a starting ratio of MON/SPL/TRP which the 100+ card method wouldn't guarantee.
4. i don't have a databae at the ready yet past GOAT era.

Most likely you will end up with a monster-heavy lineup though since most unplayables would be archetype-specific spells/traps. Even if monsters can't activate effects related to archetypes, the vast majority of them are still technically "playable."

I may end up being wrong but I do think at the moment, from having run the randomzier a couple times, the case where you'll end up with less than 40 playable cards won't be that frequent. And like I said, even that does end up being the case, we can supplement that with another randomizer. I would rather not though because that involves more steps and I want convenience (in terms of preparation/time investment) to be the primary feature for a format that's going to be jank as hell anyway.

What I think we could also do is, similar to our current rarity lock formats, have a list of "free cards" that everyone can include. Even broken cards like Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity because I suspect they would be significantly less broken in this type of format and would just speed things up.

I'll post a couple results of before/after deck pics from some runs.

If anybody knows of a better randomizer, we can take a look at that too. I do really like the convenience of just exporting the list since just looking up the cards you get from a random list and figuring out quickly from a glance if it's playable is significantly less time than typing every single card.

I should also note that the randomizer linked above has other settings like "Normal" where it can give you playsets of some cards (i.e. 3 copies rather than 60 one-ofs) + a side deck but i found that you could just end up with 3x unplayables instead of one. "Highlander" setting is the true random which is more along the lines of what I had in mind anyway.

There's also an archetype setting where you can supposedly get randomized sets of cards from up to three archetypes but it's not solely pulling from those pools (you will get random vanilla one-ofs and 3x copies of unplayable extra deck monsters, etc.) so a lot of the times i tried it, the decklists looked like more of a mess if you can believe it.

Side decks are "unplayable" cards (archetype-specific, no available targets, etc.) and on some occasions technically playable but too bad to consider. If there were spell/trap cards that had one or two valid targets, I kept them in even if impractical. Process took around 5-10 minutes for each deck, quickly glancing at effects.

Deck 1:

Pool:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/9/AAcxR5AADBp5.jpg

Deck:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/0/AAcxR5AADBp6.jpg

This one seems the worst. Very heavy on the 5+ star monsters.

Deck 2:

Pool:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/2/AAcxR5AADBp8.jpg

Deck:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/3/AAcxR5AADBp9.jpg

Deck 3:

Pool:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/5/AAcxR5AADBp_.jpg

Deck:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/6/AAcxR5AADBqA.jpg

I am liking the idea of the "free cards" more and more though.

Most card effects were given a very cursory glance. And there are some cards I missed taking out like the Terraforming in one of them but I more or less ended up with around 41-44 technically playable cards every time.

I think if there's a solid free card list, we can patch up most issues.

Just to be clear here, is the intent to use as many of the cards as possible and only remove the ones that are actually unplayable, or can you trim it down as you like?

you could choose as you want within your pool. like, if i was actually playing with these, i'd move it down to 40 for sure. i just left it at those numbers to show how many were technically playable.

if we have like 5 or so free cards, there's more flexibility and compensation for some of those really bad cards you could get. or like in the case of the first deck where i had 15 level 5+ monsters. but the appeal is just quick and dirty play which is again why i would want to stress convenience.

so in that hypothetical case where we had 5 free cards, you would be picking 35 from your initial pool of ~60. again, sometimes the randomizer will give you cards that aren't on DB but it's around that amount.

I just can't see a complete randomized deck being very fun lol

Well that's why I'd like to test.

If there's not enough interest we can always fall back to one of the other alt formats

Waluigi1 posted...

I just can't see a complete randomized deck being very fun lol

I could easily see it being fun, but it doesn't seem like the available generator will produce fun decks.

I'm taking a look at this site here:
https://db.ygoprodeck.com/pack-open/

You can choose Custom Draft and open a certain number of packs. I was trying 10, which seems to end up with 60-70 cards in total.

It opens packs rather than creating a truly random selection, but the effect seems similar with a bit less chaos.

I do have some experience with the site regular pack opener but I would want to look into ways to have multiple packs in the pool. Some packs are not good at all...

I've been a bit preoccupied so I actually want to shelve the Randomizer idea for a bit and do a general rarity lock next week to coincide with the N/R festival. When the leak first came out I didn't realize it would be so soon.

And then the following tournament I want to finally do no rarity limit Synchro/Xyz era. Hopefully there would be enough interest by then.

Also as I previously said my work schedule has changed so I no longer have Saturdays free. I hope Sundays will still work for everyone.

Alright I'm back from vacation.

Definitely like the idea of the rarity lock and the no rarity limit. Not as interested in randomizer as I don't think I'll have any fun with it. The deck building process is a huge part of the intrigue for me in these alternative formats.

Sundays should work for me going forward, but I'll probably be more sporadically available throughout the day as opposed to locked in for the entirety of it, as Sundays are the days where I catch up on work for the week.

I'm more available Sundays, but also can always do a match or two on Saturdays if need be.

No rarity limit Synchro/XYZ intrigues me and gives me even more of an excuse to finish a Utopia deck.

How far does XYZ Era go though?

Reg posted...

How far does XYZ Era go though?

This is an interesting question. I'm not sure I would limit the XYZ Era to, "anytime before Pendulums", because XYZ was still an integral part of the game post-pendulums. I'd probably say anytime before Link Summoning, and also say that you can't use Pendulums, which will still give access to the XYZ cards of the era while not going against the spirit of the tournament, but anything is fine with me.

I think technically the correct terminology is Zexal/5Ds or whatever the anime airing at the time was. I just say Synchro/XYZ as shorthand because I can never remember which anime name it is.

What I meant was everything pre-Duelist Alliance (Aug 2014). It would basically be like our previous rarity lock tourneys timeline wise but no rarity limit. Although if including later cards is something people want we can do that or a next time format

A generic rarity lock is fine, I'll just play the same deck most likely. I could try playing an oldschool Synchron deck for the Xyz era format. I think the deck I was actually playing back then was mostly Fire Kings, but that's kinda hard to make and probably loses a lot with Blaster banned.

RIP Monarchs then lmao. If it extended out to 2016 (That's when Domain, Ehther and Erubus were released) I could literally just play my main deck and only have to replace the Anchamoufrites. Which would be funny, but probably rather against the spirit of the format. Meanwhile, 2014 would require a fair bit of rework to compensate for not having those three (And I'd also lose access to the Mega Monarchs, making things even more difficult), and I'd rather just play Utopia instead.

The idea of focusing more on the era (Similar to the first classic format we did) rather than just the archetype restriction is a fun change of pace though.

kateee posted...

What I meant was everything pre-Duelist Alliance (Aug 2014).

That works I guess. It does cut off things like Burning Abyss, which I would very much consider an XYZ era deck, as well as a bunch of Stellarknight stuff and staples of the era like Castel and Dark Rebellion XYZ Dragon. A lot of Utopia stuff came out in New Challengers as well.

well again, when i said XYZ/Synchro era i didn't mean it in terms of mechanics but just release dates. my bad. i'll use the correct terminology from now on.

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/TCG_Set_Galleries:_Boosters

Regarding core sets:

DM: LOB - Flaming Eternity (Mar. 2005)
GX: Lost Millennium - Light of Destruction (May 2008)
5Ds: Duelist Genesis (first Synchros) - Extreme Victory (May 2011)
ZEXAL: Generation Force (first XYZ) - Primal Origin (May 2014)
ARC-V: Duelist Alliance (first Pendulums) - Maximum Crisis (May 2017)
VRAINS: Code of the Duelist (first Links) - Eternity Code (June 2020)
and so on

will post the next signup thread today btw