Current Events > I officially identify as an Independent, now. Republicans done lost me.

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 6:51:38 PM
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Now, don't get too excited. I'm probably still what many of you would consider "the bad guy," but I can't throw my name under the Republican tag anymore. All this nonsense with the extreme anti-vaxx/anti-mask/anti-doctor shit has just gotten to be way, way too embarrassing. I'm tired of hearing cringe-inducing defenses like "my body my choice," which isn't nearly as clever of a reversal as they think it is.

It's just a whole lot of silly stuff that makes me wanna separate myself from their banner.

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DeadBankerDream
02/15/22 6:52:40 PM
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Trump was fine, but anti-vaxxers co-opting a pro-abortion slogan is where you draw the line?

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toreysback
02/15/22 6:52:52 PM
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rhis is official then i take it

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thronedfire2
02/15/22 6:53:59 PM
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but are you gonna vote for them anyway?

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Machete
02/15/22 6:55:22 PM
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Assuming you are serious, welcome. I may mostly almost vote blue but I have been registered as Independent since I was able to register and I don't intend to ever switch designation.

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Kloe_Rinz
02/15/22 6:56:04 PM
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so the past decade or two of their behaviour, and even the anti-vaxxing was fine, but you finally drew the line once the anti-vaxxing got too extreme?
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DespondentDeity
02/15/22 6:58:43 PM
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Folks this post was made in a lab, now folks Im just saying that Im tellin ya this post was probably made in a lab, as a weapon to be used against you. Most likely

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AltyMcAltface
02/15/22 7:00:21 PM
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change your username to GOPstoppers12

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 7:00:48 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
but are you gonna vote for them anyway?
Honestly I never voted for any of them to begin with. I'm more of a debater than a voter; I don't feel comfortable putting my name underneath any candidate. They always find a way to let people down, so I just let the chips fall where they fall.

DeadBankerDream posted...
Trump was fine, but anti-vaxxers co-opting a pro-abortion slogan is where you draw the line?
Trump was fine, because despite his rhetoric and the constant media-smearing, he was accomplishing a lot of things I wanted him to accomplish, with regards to strengthening border security, military/defense upkeep, keeping us out of wars, focusing more on energy independence, encouraging projects to source American steel and other resources, etc. etc.

He got pretty fucking silly near the end, there, with the election fraud hullabaloo, which is another factor in my withdrawal from the party. Between the "Trump is the real President" and the "Masks are oppression/dictatorship/etc." tripe, I just can't do it anymore. Too many things I don't agree with have become the primary talking points of the party. My dad is still a pretty hardcore Republican, and he watches Fox a lot of the day, and the amount of time they spend talking about anti-vaxx shit is just absurd.

I'm lucky I got to my Dad about the vaccines before Fox convinced him not to get it.

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David1988
02/15/22 7:01:11 PM
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Youre still the bad guy TC

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Sackgurl
02/15/22 7:01:20 PM
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tbh that's a reasonable breaking point for a conservative who isn't literally insane

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DarkRoast
02/15/22 7:01:40 PM
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There's no way I'd ever vote Republican again.

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CrimsonAngel
02/15/22 7:01:58 PM
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Guys I don't know if you know this but TC is a disingenuous troll

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Rayman2943
02/15/22 7:03:16 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
There's no way I'd ever vote Republican again.

^will vote for liz cheney in primary

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PoundGarden
02/15/22 7:04:38 PM
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Did the recent trend of "any studio who casts a part to anyone who is not a straight white male = OMG SEW FUCKING WOKE LOL" play a part?
I'm seeing it all the time now and it is infuriating and it's always Republicans. Saw it in the comments section today about the LOTR series. My immediate thought was "women....exist in this world, that's been established before woke was even a term. And elves, once and goblins that's fine, but you can't wrap your head around a female adventurer or *GASP* a black archer?!"

I really hate this "go woke go broke hurr hurr" trend that's gaining traction from the right. Like just say you want pure sausage fest media lol

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AloneIBreak
02/15/22 7:05:23 PM
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Yes, but in what respects do you consider yourself in alignment with them?

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AldousIsDead
02/15/22 7:06:25 PM
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CrimsonAngel posted...
Guys I don't know if you know this but TC is a disingenuous troll
What gave it away?

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 7:07:55 PM
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David1988 posted...
Youre still the bad guy TC
This is a fair assessment.

Sackgurl posted...
tbh that's a reasonable breaking point for a conservative who isn't literally insane
Yeah, it just got...so fucking bad. I used to be able to at least mount a good argument for why things were the way they were within the party, but these days, so much of it has become ridiculous nonsense that has no basis in reality. I literally cannot conceive of a defense for the extreme anti-vaxx hardliners. I get skepticism, I really do, but it's so far beyond that at this point.

CrimsonAngel posted...
Guys I don't know if you know this but TC is a disingenuous troll
Believe me or don't, but I'm being sincere.

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Will_VIIII
02/15/22 7:08:33 PM
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I don't buy it

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atmasabr
02/15/22 7:09:40 PM
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Oh, no! Linda Chavez won another head! Come on, Liz, we gotta muscle up!

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ForsakenHermit
02/15/22 7:12:03 PM
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I'm open to voting Republican at the local level but I don't see myself voting for them at the state or federal level anytime soon.

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 7:13:27 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Did the recent trend of "any studio who casts a part to anyone who is not a straight white male = OMG SEW FUCKING WOKE LOL" play a part?
Yes, actually. I can see where people are coming from when it's like, obvious corporate-mandated inclusivity to check boxes and cover bases, but it's gotten to the point where people seem to think ANY actor of any minority or orientation is just "woke casting."

Like...The Batman, for example. The actress cast to play Catwoman looks phenomenal in the role, wears the suit well, etc., but people complain because she's not white.

Like, bro? It's not that serious, actually. It's not like Selina Kyle is iconic because of her looks outside of the Catwoman suit anyway.

It annoys me with regards to Star Wars, too. I personally like Rey, and I like Jyn Erso, and Fennec Shand is one of my favorite Star Wars characters like...period...because of her appearances in The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett, but of course you have people complaining because she's not a guy, or not a bit part? Idk what they complain about, but it's dumb.


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AltyMcAltface
02/15/22 7:17:04 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Trump was fine, because despite his rhetoric and the constant media-smearing, he was accomplishing a lot of things I wanted him to accomplish, with regards to strengthening border security, military/defense upkeep, keeping us out of wars, focusing more on energy independence, encouraging projects to source American steel and other resources, etc. etc.
lmfao

okay, let's go point by point on this:

what Trump did for border security is fleece his voter base out of MILLIONS of dollars constructing border fences that don't do jack shit to curb illegal immigration, lying and saying that he was gonna have Mexico pay for it when that was never going to happen, ultimately having gullible americans pay for it proudly and claim "oh what he meant was he's gonna have Mexico pay for it with all the great DEALS he's gonna set up for international trade". oh yeah, and most of the money they forked over didn't even go toward building the wall, it just lined Trump's pockets (or more likely was used to pay down his massive foreign debts).

what Trump did for military/defense upkeep is...... well, absolutely nothing as a matter of fact. Cadet Bone Spurs doesn't know the first thing about the military and national defense.

what Trump did to keep us out of wars is again, nothing. the conflicts in the middle east raged on all throughout his term, and he both alienated all of the US' traditional allies and cozied up to all of its traditional enemies, all of whom never viewed Trump as an equal or ally, just as a useful idiot, leaving us alone on the world stage as a mockery.

what Trump did to focus on "energy independence" is, again, alienating all of the US' traditional allies, as well as rolling back environmental protection laws and withdrawing the US from a global climate change mitigation agreement so that corporations who produce energy in unclean, unsustainable ways didn't have to worry about all that red tape in doing their thing anymore.

and what Trump's attempts at "encouraging projects to source American steel" actually did was just impose massive tariffs on imports, and all that did was lead to higher steel prices across the board and lower demand.

so, in short, Trump didn't do jack shit.

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 7:17:40 PM
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AltyMcAltface posted...


so, in short, Trump didn't do jack shit.
You're welcome to your opinion, but that's not really what this topic is about.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
I'm probably still what many of you would consider "the bad guy,"


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AltyMcAltface
02/15/22 7:19:05 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
You're welcome to your opinion
it's not an opinion

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 7:19:35 PM
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AltyMcAltface posted...
it's not an opinion
You're welcome to your opinion about whether or not your personal opinion qualifies as an opinion.

But that's still not really what this topic is about.

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AltyMcAltface
02/15/22 7:20:08 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
You're welcome to your opinion about whether or not your personal opinion qualifies as an opinion.
lmfao

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PoundGarden
02/15/22 7:20:23 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
It annoys me with regards to Star Wars, too. I personally like Rey, and I like Jyn Erso, and Fennec Shand is one of my favorite Star Wars characters like...period...because of her appearances in The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett, but of course you have people complaining because she's not a guy, or not a bit part? Idk what they complain about, but it's dumb.

And yet those same people weren't crying about wokeness when Gina Carrano was introduced, wonder why that is
EDIT: They were bitching about her right up until she came out as right wing conservative. She's one of the "good ones" now lol

Yeah once again, robot spiders with human brains? Sure, why not. Green people that look like a child's drawing of an alien? You bet. Giant slug crimelord? Still on board. Lil green frog baby thing that can heal people and has telekinesis? Gimme more.

A non straight white male doing anything of any level of importance?! RAAAAAR! This is madness!

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 7:29:06 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
And yet those same people weren't crying about wokeness when Gina Carrano was introduced, wonder why that is
EDIT: They were bitching about her right up until she came out as right wing conservative. She's one of the "good ones" now lol

Yeah once again, robot spiders with human brains? Sure, why not. Green people that look like a child's drawing of an alien? You bet. Giant slug crimelord? Still on board. Lil green frog baby thing that can heal people and has telekinesis? Gimme more.

A non straight white male doing anything of any level of importance?! RAAAAAR! This is madness!
Like, honestly it's one thing to complain when the casting is just outright bad, but in a lot of cases they'll complain even when it's perfect. There are tons of great examples of white characters being played by minority actors--Kingpin in the Ben Affleck Daredevil was actually pretty fucking awesome. Heimdall is of course a legend; I bet more people recognize him as Idris Elba than recognize him as his comic appearance. Nick Fury, too. Great choice.

If people would complain about the actual ACTING instead of just "This person is Black/Asian/Hispanic and I don't like it" then maybe it'd be one thing, but 9 times out of 10 it's literally just bitching for the sake of bitching about non-white casting...which is just silly.

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IfGodCouldDie
02/15/22 7:35:17 PM
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Good for you.

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ChainedChained
02/15/22 7:39:04 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
keeping us out of wars,

He almost caused a war by killing a general. Iran retaliated and gave dozens of US soldiers traumatic brain injury then they blew up an airliner. This shit could have easily escalated into a full blown war.
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Alteres
02/15/22 7:39:21 PM
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Actually blond Catwoman depictions bother me more thinking about it.

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AltyMcAltface
02/15/22 8:26:37 PM
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ChainedChained posted...
He almost caused a war by killing a general. Iran retaliated and gave dozens of US soldiers traumatic brain injury then they blew up an airliner. This shit could have easily escalated into a full blown war.
no lol, see, that's jUsT yOuR oPiNiOn

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hockeybub89
02/15/22 8:28:49 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
All this nonsense with the extreme anti-vaxx/anti-mask/anti-doctor shit has just gotten to be way, way too embarrassing. I'm tired of hearing cringe-inducing defenses like "my body my choice," which isn't nearly as clever of a reversal as they think it is.
We agree on something

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ScazarMeltex
02/15/22 8:33:35 PM
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I mean, where they are now was always going ro be the end result once Reagan brought Falwell and the moral majority into the fold.

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Umbreon
02/15/22 8:39:50 PM
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Assuming this topic is sincere...

I'm glad you're starting to see how bad the GOP is.

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ThyCorndog
02/15/22 8:46:29 PM
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That's great. I don't know what took you so long but good for you nonetheless

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Crayon_Lover
02/15/22 9:10:29 PM
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A step in the right direction

I can't believe I ever supported Republicans, although a lot has changed since 2012 when I voted for Romney

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PoundGarden
02/15/22 9:18:52 PM
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Crayon_Lover posted...
A step in the right direction

I can't believe I ever supported Republicans, although a lot has changed since 2012 when I voted for Romney

Pre Obama (which broke many R's), the party was cartoonishly evil. Now theyre just...actual evil.
I'm not a Democrat but it's getting harder to just say "I'm a deeply embarrassed Republican". Time was the best of them would stop and say "hey, this isn't right" every now and then (George Bush publicly condemning the violence against Muslims right after 9/11). Now they just actively feed on and fuel the hate and outright lunacy from their voter base...I never thought Lisa Murkowski or Liz Cheney would be the more rational amon them. Fuck, even Pence had a brief turn as a goddam hero by defying Trump on 1/6. Mike Pence, who constantly looks like he's about to pass legislation banning the X-Men, was a hero for a day. My god.

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 2:17:14 AM
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Umbreon posted...


I'm glad you're starting to see how bad the GOP is.

ThyCorndog posted...
That's great. I don't know what took you so long but good for you nonetheless
There's a lot of stuff that was questionable even before, and I had to justify a lot of my leanings on account of different aspects of the platform outweighing it. For example, the strange stance against legal marijuana always confused me. Don't they want to cut down on government regulation? Why this one thing in particular causing so much resistance?

Also, the whole "I refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding" fiasco...on one hand, I support the business and its right to refuse service based on religious grounds...but I also think it's dumb to refuse to make a gay wedding cake because who seriously cares that much about it? Why would you die on that hill, in particular? It helps nobody and it makes everybody associated with the party look so, so much worse. I consider myself to be fairly reasonable, and while I can reasonably see the core of the argument (businesses making decisions for themselves), I also see how ridiculous it was to fight so hard against baking one cake for one couple.

But boy, this anti-vaxx/anti-mask stuff is so next-level with how petty and ignorant it is. I am honestly floored by some of the shit people say just to avoid putting a mask on.

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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 10:06:24 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/3/8/AACDhFAACfES.jpg

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Irony
02/16/22 10:07:11 AM
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Shut the fuck up

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
02/16/22 10:08:24 AM
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TC I'm with you. I'm still registered Republican but I would probably be more Centerist - Leaning Democrat in todays meanings.

I didn't like Trump. I thought he was an asshole bully and there's no place as President for a person like that. It got even worse with all the anti-vaxx BS. I don't even recognize the party I initially belonged to anymore.

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/16/22 10:10:41 AM
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Insurrection and fascism was fine, but "my body my choice" is the thing that upsets you

Lolok

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Guide
02/16/22 10:12:02 AM
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Well, this is heartening, in a weird, why-is-the-world-like-this way.

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Giant_Aspirin
02/16/22 10:14:11 AM
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good for you!

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BilalPowell
02/16/22 10:27:24 AM
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I officially identify as a cat humans have lost me.

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AltyMcAltface
02/16/22 10:40:02 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
For example, the strange stance against legal marijuana always confused me. Don't they want to cut down on government regulation?
conservatives haven't been for "government deregulation" for a long time. they are against liberals passing government regulations. when it's something they themselves want though, they have no problem with it. "big government if it's our government." yet they still talk out of both sides of their mouth and still claim they are the party of small government, further underscoring their hypocrisy and their voter base's gullibility and lack of critical thinking skills.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
...but I also think it's dumb to refuse to make a gay wedding cake because who seriously cares that much about it? Why would you die on that hill, in particular?
because they hate homosexuals and view them as subhuman, same as how they view minorities, foreigners, women, liberals, etc. that's literally all there is to it, it's not some great mystery, it's plain as day for anyone who hasn't fallen for conservative rhetoric.

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Esrac
02/16/22 10:59:49 AM
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Man, can't even take a step away from the Republican party without people giving you shit for it.
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