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DeadBankerDream 01/14/22 6:22:53 PM #1: |
Came across a short poem of his that I assume is kind of well known and I'm not sure I'd even be allowed to make reference to the title here. Jesus ._. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 01/14/22 6:25:38 PM #2: |
Yes, he was extremely goddamned racist to the point even many of his contemporaries thought he was pretty racist. Which is unfortunate, because he was a really talented writer. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/14/22 6:26:04 PM #3: |
Just look up his cat's name ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SweetieBeIle462 01/14/22 6:26:36 PM #4: |
Yes unfortunately, don't look up his what his cat's name is. --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD Now Playing: Metroid Dread, Tales of Arise, Dead By Daylight ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 01/14/22 6:27:34 PM #5: |
There's a short story called The Rats In the Walls where a character has a cat named N-Word Man. It was named after Lovecraft's own cat. And even without being that blatant, it's a theme in a lot of his works. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/14/22 6:28:58 PM #6: |
pegusus123456 posted... And even without being that blatant, it's a theme in a lot of his works.Never actually read any of it, but I have At the Mountains of Madness lying around somewhere. Is that of racist undertones too? --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 01/14/22 6:29:27 PM #7: |
One of his stories about the corpse of the main character's relative is all the racism overtones I'm familiar with firsthand, but I do know about all the other racist shit. It sucks, because he's one of the most iconic and prolific horror writers of all time, but then again, a lot of history's most famous artists were awful people. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 01/14/22 6:29:59 PM #8: |
That's why I can easily separate the artist from their works, especially if some of their character slips in there every now and then. --- S / K / Y / N / E ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/14/22 6:34:46 PM #9: |
Vicious_Dios posted... That's why I can easily separate the artist from their works, especially if some of their character slips in there every now and then.This is a nice idea when it's not a blatant racist claiming he's separating the racist author from the work. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 01/14/22 6:36:32 PM #10: |
Extremely --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/14/22 6:37:46 PM #11: |
Vicious_Dios posted... That's why I can easily separate the artist from their works, especially if some of their character slips in there every now and then. Okay I've successfully separated Lovecraft from his poem "On the creation of N-words" Now what do I do? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/14/22 6:38:45 PM #13: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Okay I've successfully separated Lovecraft from his poem "[blank" Hey, that's the poem I came across today! --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 01/14/22 6:44:55 PM #15: |
DeadBankerDream posted... Hey, that's the poem I came across today!We have separated the art from the artist and found out that both were racist. Who knew. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 01/14/22 7:00:09 PM #17: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] that was a damn good show too. hoping they do an anthology series with it or something. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/14/22 7:09:52 PM #18: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] The show name is a double entendre it was picked to mean racism as well. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ozarhok 01/14/22 7:15:58 PM #19: |
Who cares --- oops ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 01/14/22 7:18:01 PM #20: |
DeadBankerDream posted... Never actually read any of it, but I have At the Mountains of Madness lying around somewhere. Is that of racist undertones too?Yes, which is unfortunate, because it might just be my favorite Lovecraft story. The racism isn't as overt as in other pieces, but it's there. Can't explain it without spoiling the entire story though. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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armandro 01/14/22 7:18:22 PM #21: |
well he lived in a society --- http://i.imgur.com/sKghEcP.gif 8 October, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/14/22 7:18:26 PM #22: |
Ozarhok posted... Who caresPerfect post to signature ratio. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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googs19 01/14/22 7:22:29 PM #24: |
The good thing about Lovecraft is that since he is dead you can read his works without it directly benefiting a racist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 01/14/22 7:25:17 PM #25: |
While he's a few stages beyond the "product of his time" descriptor, it should hardly be surprising that creators back then may have held some views seen as really shitty today. If we live another 100 years, you can be sure the people of the future will be judging our sensibilities in some regard as well. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cookie Bag 01/14/22 7:29:51 PM #26: |
Vicious_Dios posted... That's why I can easily separate the artist from their works, especially if some of their character slips in there every now and then.If it was anyone else saying this i'd agree but its your clown ass saying it lmao fuck off --- https://i.imgur.com/gGHBH0F.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rNfCKIS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Fj3wSVn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OoMcG77.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hornswoggled 01/14/22 7:31:24 PM #27: |
H.P. Lovecraft was an unhappy man, riddled with mental illness, and he died penniless. Because of this, I see no need to constantly be harping on about his racism. He suffered enough. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kim_Seong-a 01/14/22 7:31:40 PM #28: |
ElatedVenusaur posted... Which is unfortunate, because he was a really talented writer. I feel like a lot of his works are a direct result of his racism and general mental state. IIRC he was a barely functional shut-in that at one point relied on receiving money from his ex-wife just to pay the rent. Even if you try to separate the racist themes from his works, at best you've got these weird, anxious fantasies created by someone deathly afraid of anything outside his safe little bubble, or that he doesn't immediately understand. If he was alive today, he'd fit right in with certain crowds on CE. >_> All that said, Shadow Over Innsmouth da GOAT --- https://imgur.com/dAri4ON ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 01/14/22 7:31:44 PM #29: |
He got depressed when he found out he was part Welsh. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 01/14/22 7:33:09 PM #30: |
Hornswoggled posted... H.P. Lovecraft was an unhappy man, riddled with mental illness, and he died penniless. Good news, people being critical of him isn't causing him to suffer further. On account of being a corpse with no feelings. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WorsCaseOntario 01/14/22 7:33:31 PM #31: |
He was a weird guy for sure --- Frankly my dear, I don't give a ham. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 01/14/22 7:35:55 PM #32: |
These people are way too mad over such an innocuous comment I've made. --- S / K / Y / N / E ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omega cookie 01/14/22 8:30:33 PM #33: |
He has a story where the main character finds out he's part black, lights himself on fire in the town square, and the townspeople stand around commending him for doing the right thing as he burns to death. He actually might be more interesting than the Cthulhu Mythos, which he didn't even create anyways. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacadamianNut3 01/14/22 8:33:19 PM #34: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIP0ECc0Xdg --- Roll Tide & Go Irish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ser_Jaker 01/14/22 8:39:17 PM #35: |
The thing with lovecraft's racism is that he didn't just hate black people. He also hated Indians, Germans, native Americans (I Think) and basically anyone who wasn't of anglo saxon descent. I believe he also hated Jews until he married a Jewish woman and decided they were cool. He was a very recluvise, strange, mental person. --- "A human destiny, but nothing human inside..... What will be left of me when I`m dead?... There was nothing when I lived..." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DespondentDeity 01/14/22 8:46:15 PM #36: |
I dont think his writing is very good, but they make delightful bedtime stories despite that. --- The web of destiny carries your blood and soul back to the Genesis of my life form. I'm softer than a daisy, if you cut me I'll bleed pink ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/14/22 8:47:09 PM #37: |
Ser_Jaker posted... The thing with lovecraft's racism is that he didn't just hate black people. He also hated Indians, Germans, native Americans (I Think) and basically anyone who wasn't of anglo saxon descent. Lovecraft got less racist closer to the end of his life. He later wrote that different races were equal but fundamentally incompatible where as earlier anyone not full Anglican was basically subhuman. He also died kind of young. It's not clear by what might have happened if he lived longer. He had various positive things to say about Hitler but he died before the Holocaust took off. Lots of people who were neutral or favorable to Hitler in the 30s had a complete change of heart in the 40s. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeorgeKostanza 01/15/22 1:13:26 AM #39: |
Vicious_Dios posted... These people are way too mad over such an innocuous comment I've made. Somebody will Knight them. Just you wait. --- These blood vials are making me thirsty! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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What_ 01/15/22 1:16:20 AM #40: |
Vicious_Dios posted... These people are way too mad over such an innocuous comment I've made.I notice you dont deny it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 01/15/22 3:08:01 AM #41: |
He was probably average-racist for the time, which is strong-racist by today's standards. ElatedVenusaur posted... Yes, he was extremely goddamned racist to the point even many of his contemporaries thought he was pretty racist. Which is unfortunate, because he was a really talented writer. I'm not sure you can really separate his work from the themes in his work, which often revolved around xenophobia and the idea of the other. The kinda sub-issue is that his more blatant racism opens the rest of his work for interpretation along those lines. omega cookie posted... He actually might be more interesting than the Cthulhu Mythos, which he didn't even create anyways. Oh lawdy --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GGuirao13 01/15/22 3:12:46 AM #42: |
Ser_Jaker posted... I believe he also hated Jews until he married a Jewish woman and decided they were cool. Don't be xeonphobic. Have sex with everyone! --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 01/15/22 3:14:23 AM #43: |
What_ posted... I notice you dont deny it He literally can't. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 01/15/22 3:17:25 AM #44: |
This is copied from his Wikipedia page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#Race Race is the most controversial aspect of Lovecraft's legacy, expressed in many disparaging remarks against non-Anglo-Saxon races and cultures in his works. As he grew older, his original racial worldview became a classism or elitism which regarded the superior race to include all those self-ennobled through high culture. From the start, Lovecraft did not hold all white people in uniform high regard, but rather esteemed English people and those of English descent. In his early published essays, private letters and personal utterances, he argued for a strong color line to preserve race and culture. His arguments were supported using disparagements of various races in his journalism and letters, and allegorically in his fictional works that depict non-human races. This is evident in his portrayal of the Deep Ones in The Shadow over Innsmouth. Their interbreeding with humanity is framed as being a type of miscegenation that corrupts both the town of Innsmouth and the protagonist. Initially, Lovecraft showed sympathy to minorities who adopted Western culture, even to the extent of marrying a Jewish woman he viewed as being "well assimilated". By the 1930s, Lovecraft's views on ethnicity and race had moderated. He supported ethnicities' preserving their native cultures; for example, he thought that "a real friend of civilisation wishes merely to make the Germans more German, the French more French, the Spaniards more Spanish, & so on". This represented a shift from his previous support for cultural assimilation. However, this did not represent a complete elimination of his racial prejudices. Scholars have argued that Lovecraft's racial attitudes were common in the society of his day, particularly in the New England in which he grew up. He doesn't sound like "The KKK's Grand Wizard of the Year", but more like a product of his times and upbringing. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/15/22 3:19:16 AM #45: |
Heartomaton posted... He literally can't.His reaction is so childish. Vic Dio: *Says ironic thing about racism considering his posting history* People who remember things that happened: Hey, that's ironic considering things you've said before Vic Dio: ...Triggered, much? --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dj1200 01/15/22 3:22:48 AM #46: |
MacadamianNut3 posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIP0ECc0Xdgi didn't get it --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 01/15/22 3:27:57 AM #47: |
DeadBankerDream posted... His reaction is so childish. It's his modus operandi. Either a thinly-veiled sarcastic remark or drive-by unreservedly snide comment to provoke negative responses, and anyone who does so is "obviously" a crying baby. Recently he has taken to going into any of my topics in particular that he sees and attempting to hurt me by commenting on the dismal state of my life at any opportunity. And personally, while I do find his irrational hate-boner for me to be flattering, I do think his dedication to it calls the state of his own life into question. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omega cookie 01/15/22 4:28:36 PM #48: |
Zeus posted... Oh lawdy? --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 01/15/22 4:38:10 PM #49: |
Not simply by today's standards, Lovecraft was considered extremely racist for his time. Robert E. Howard (Conan) and others tried to get him to tone it down and tried to help him get published but he wouldn't change. He was basically broke when he died (ill health and mental illness didn't help either). Shame because when he stuck to 'cosmic horror' - a genre he created - there's some good stuff there. --- "Art is how we decorate space; Music is how we decorate time." -Jean Michel Basquiat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Horrorbooksguy 01/15/22 4:39:59 PM #50: |
Yup. In fairness to him, he had a truly miserable life with racist parents, and he did seem to be improving somewhat towards the end. But yeah, racist af, way more than normal for the time. Though iirc, the infamously named cat was actually named by his parents, not him. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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