Current Events > Books by Black Authors being pulled from school libraries over fear of CRT.

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VipaGTS
01/12/22 3:02:03 PM
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https://twitter.com/NBCBLK/status/1480940132098265092

jfc...Conservatives are THIS afraid to face reality that a book simply being written by, or written about, a black person scares them.

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LightHawKnight
01/12/22 3:04:26 PM
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Can we get rid of the GQP yet?

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Solar_Crimson
01/12/22 3:06:02 PM
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Fuck the GQP

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g0ldie
01/12/22 3:06:05 PM
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conservatives/the GOP in this country are either a bunch of racist fascists or these issues aren't deal breakers to them, and it's sad, embarrassing, frustrating, and so on that they have so much influence.

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Collat
01/12/22 3:06:08 PM
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Is CRT just remembering that black people exist?
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yusiko
01/12/22 3:09:51 PM
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Collat posted...
Is CRT just remembering that black people exist?

Yes

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HylianFox
01/12/22 3:11:03 PM
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But the GOP totally aren't like the Nazis, right?
>_>

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_BlueMonk
01/12/22 3:12:07 PM
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HylianFox posted...
But the GOP totally aren't like the Nazis, right?
>_>
no no no you can't call them that! it upsets them. we can't upset them!

think about THEIR feelings for once!!!!

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thronedfire2
01/12/22 3:18:16 PM
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yeah apparently seeing black people as human beings is too much for the right wingers so they want to go backwards now

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__aCEr__
01/12/22 3:18:33 PM
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When Invisible Man becomes invisible.

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HylianFox
01/12/22 3:19:36 PM
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To me CRT is basically:
-Black people exist
-Black people have gotten the short end of the stick for centuries
-Black people have made positive contributions to society and deserve to be recognized for that, and not just focus on all the "omg crime rates, drug addicts, 'black brute'" stereoptypes

So of course conservatives despise it

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masterpug53
01/12/22 3:20:37 PM
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HylianFox posted...
But the GOP totally aren't like the Nazis, right?
>_>

Of course not. They have to be literally burning these books, while goose-stepping in full military regalia, while existing exclusively in 1943 Germany. Any parallels less than that - no matter how disturbingly similar they may be - are to be dismissed as a congenial difference of opinion.

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ScazarMeltex
01/12/22 3:20:54 PM
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Don't compare conservatives to Nazis though, that's bad.

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AngelicRadiance
01/12/22 3:22:47 PM
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A few years from now;
"Black businesses are being given a special mark over fears of CRT"

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ultimate reaver
01/12/22 3:25:08 PM
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book banning is dumb shit regardless of reason

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Ruvan22
01/12/22 3:42:22 PM
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@joe40001
I remember you talking extensively about the valid criticisms/fears of CRT. What are your thoughts on this?
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CommonGrackle
01/12/22 3:44:01 PM
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cathode ray tube?
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SSJPurple
01/12/22 3:51:03 PM
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So Republicans are anti-history now?

Smh they sink further and further every year

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Questionmarktarius
01/12/22 3:53:35 PM
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CommonGrackle posted...
cathode ray tube?
Any library that still has CRTs instead of LCDs by now, should be very suspect.
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What_
01/12/22 3:55:42 PM
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GOP=fascism
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What_
01/12/22 3:56:13 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
@joe40001
I remember you talking extensively about the valid criticisms/fears of CRT. What are your thoughts on this?

he wants you to solve his stupid ass sudoku puzzle!
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averagejoel
01/12/22 4:05:51 PM
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Collat posted...
Is CRT just remembering that black people exist?
no, it's an academic discipline. a large part of it involves examining legal documents for laws that don't explicitly mention race, and how those laws have been used to harm black people despite appearing to be race-neutral.

it's become something of a boogeyman for the american right though

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joe40001
01/12/22 4:09:29 PM
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Disclaimer: Sometimes there is more to the story than the gist/headline covers, but for the sake of this discussion I am going to take this article at face value.

Ruvan22 posted...
@joe40001
I remember you talking extensively about the valid criticisms/fears of CRT. What are your thoughts on this?

I'm very pro-free speech so this censorship of these books goes strongly against my ideals/values. I think something like "White Fragility" is a dumb book with bad ideas, but I wouldn't even support removing that from libraries. I honestly can't think of a book I would support removing from libraries.

The problem with CRT based ideas isn't that they are available, or even if they are shared, it's only a problem when they are taught as the only valid way to think.

Andrew Yang has a good example story about a friend of his who had a young daughter who came home and asked their mom "why can't I be friends with... [daughter's female black friend]?" And that's the kind of stuff that scares the hell out of me. Pro-segregation that is taught as truth in service of being "progressive" even though it's regressive and divisive.

IMO, nobody EVER should insist to children that they can't identify with other children of a different race, but there are descendants of the CRT orthodoxy who teach exactly that.

Even so, those people have a right to have their bad ideas out in the world, the only thing I push back against is when those bad ideas are taught as truth.

John McWhorter is the best thinker on this, I strongly recommend you check out his book "Woke Racism". Alternatively I can provide links where he sums up some of his ideas.

One thing I will say (and this is not to defend the censorships): Part of the reason to push against the CRT descendant orthodoxy of race based essentialism is the white conservative response is going to be bad. Things like these censorships or worse can happen. There is only so long you can insist to people that they view everything view the lens of race before some far-right white-nationalists take you up on that proposition. And I really don't want to live in that world.

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joe40001
01/12/22 4:12:30 PM
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averagejoel posted...
no, it's an academic discipline. a large part of it involves examining legal documents for laws that don't explicitly mention race, and how those laws have been used to harm black people despite appearing to be race-neutral.

it's become something of a boogeyman for the american right though

These days that term is used to refer not only to the original texts but the ideas and books that are descendants of those texts. Books like "White Fragility" and "How to be an Anti-Racist" are "CRT" in common language, and the ideas they push, particularly when taught as factual truth in classrooms are what most people mean when they say "CRT in schools".

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AngelicRadiance
01/12/22 4:13:02 PM
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Please don't get joe started

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averagejoel
01/12/22 4:13:29 PM
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joe40001 posted...
These days that term is used to refer not only to the original texts but the ideas and books that are descendants of those texts. Books like "White Fragility" and "How to be an Anti-Racist" are "CRT" in common language, and the ideas they push, particularly when taught as factual truth in classrooms are what most people mean when they say "CRT in schools".
shut the fuck up

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masterpug53
01/12/22 4:14:22 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
@joe40001
I remember you talking extensively about the valid criticisms/fears of CRT. What are your thoughts on this?

Your punishment for tagging him is that you have to read every single word he posts for the remainder of this topic, and respond accordingly.

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joe40001
01/12/22 4:14:23 PM
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averagejoel posted...
shut the fuck up
Wow, somebody doesn't like being corrected.

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joe40001
01/12/22 4:18:43 PM
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Some people like hearing diverse viewpoints.

Is it really that satisfying for you to live in bubbles where you are never challenged?

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The-Apostle
01/12/22 4:20:20 PM
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Ugh... as someone against teaching CRT, this is stupid af.

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averagejoel
01/12/22 4:21:56 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Wow, somebody doesn't like being corrected.
you don't know what Critical Race Theory is and have shown no ability (or willingness; I don't care which it is) to learn, or even to engage with any of the material that you think is actually being taught in schools

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IShall_Run_Amok
01/12/22 4:22:55 PM
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This is one of the goals of the conservative concern over CRT.

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joe40001
01/12/22 4:24:26 PM
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What did I say here that was factually incorrect?

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MC_BatCommander
01/12/22 4:28:06 PM
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Hey look it's at that censorship the right always complains about

Party of free speech indeed

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greyfox747
01/12/22 4:36:17 PM
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Horse paste Joe prattling on about how challenging hes being, must be a Wednesday

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joe40001
01/12/22 4:38:41 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Hey look it's at that censorship the right always complains about

Party of free speech indeed

Free-speech only for things you like isn't free-speech.

Hypocrites all over need to learn this.

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Intro2Logic
01/12/22 4:59:18 PM
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joe40001 posted...
John McWhorter is the best thinker on this
For an example of this guy's thought on race, here's a piece in which he defends Bloomberg's candidacy for president against criticisms of his obviously racist stop and frisk policy
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/bloomberg-flunks-wokeness-test-it-doesnt-matter/606634/

It's wild to me to write a piece acknowledging the real harms of policies enacted by Bloomberg - and then to turn around and make his critics the focus of your ire.


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Bishop9800
01/12/22 5:04:42 PM
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AngelicRadiance posted...
Please don't get joe started

Too late

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AldousIsDead
01/12/22 5:06:38 PM
#47:


Oh for fuck sake. Joe, I offer you a piece of friendly advice. Leave this topic and don't come back.

Or don't and find out what happens when you get suspended again.

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Bishop9800
01/12/22 5:07:51 PM
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greyfox747 posted...
Horse paste Joe prattling on about how challenging hes being, must be a Wednesday

Wait a min... Joe is one one those people?


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AldousIsDead
01/12/22 5:09:00 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Wait a min... Joe is one one those people?
Yes.

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MutantJohn
01/12/22 5:09:07 PM
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Joe is a certified genius unlike most posters in this topic.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/12/22 5:11:14 PM
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Don't see how you can call yourself a good person and support the GOP when they wear racism and bigotry like a badge of honor

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