Poll of the Day > Would you watch a Marvel movie that was just one big/long battle?

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Could be anything. But I know I would be 100% down to pay IMAX money for about 5 trips to the movies to see something like X-men vs a squad of sentinels. No story, no lead up, just start as the X-men was doing something or just got done doing something and then all of a sudden 4-6 sentinels fly in to mess up their world.

Absolutely not.

Also, what happened to that "If you had more money" topic you made like 40 minutes ago?

No way, those are usually the worst parts of the movies for me. With some exceptions, of course.

I much prefer the character moments over the CGI fests.

Sarcasthma posted...

Also, what happened to that "If you had more money" topic you made like 40 minutes ago?

Mistakenly made it into a poll and was too lazy to remake it :D

hypnox posted...

Mistakenly made it into a poll and was too lazy to remake it :D

You'll get it right next time!

Maybe if it was first-person like Hardcore Henry

I doubt it. I mean that sounds more like something they would throw on Disney+ anyway. Trying a to sell that as a movie would be difficult.

I wonder if you could make it work by breaks in the fighting or cutaways to squads of characters not currently fighting. But still have it take place during some big battle. I feel like XMen could totally work with the large cast of characters.

Would you watch a Marvel movie

no. Superhero movies are played out.

The problem with a 90+ minute fight sequence is there's no satisfying natural conclusion. What changed after 90 minutes that suddenly let the heroes win? If it's just a tactic then people will ask why they didn't use it sooner. If it's a secret weapon you gotta establish what it is and why the heroes got it so late in the battle, meaning you're cutting away from the battle to tell a story.

if it was the Hulk being hunted for 90 mins, I'd watch

AndyReklaw posted...

But still have it take place during some big battle. I feel like XMen could totally work with the large cast of characters.

Secret Wars. Or Contest of Champions.

And by that I mean the original ones, that were good. Not the recent remakes, which were terrible.

Veedrock- posted...

The problem with a 90+ minute fight sequence is there's no satisfying natural conclusion. What changed after 90 minutes that suddenly let the heroes win? If it's just a tactic then people will ask why they didn't use it sooner. If it's a secret weapon you gotta establish what it is and why the heroes got it so late in the battle, meaning you're cutting away from the battle to tell a story.

Pretty much. In order to stay engaging for that long, you need some semblance of progression. Look at Helm's Deep and Pelennor Fields in the LotR movies: It's not just fighting continuously the whole time. As the battle progresses, new factors are introduced that shift the tide (the Hornburg being breached, Rohan's arrival at Pelennor, the Haradrim showing up...), creating a plausible progression toward the conclusion. In the case of Pelennor Fields, you have periodic breaks from the action to progress other plotlines. You can't just fight for an hour and a half. The fighting has to mean something and go somewhere.

No. Fighting scenes in movies are boring, IMO.

Yes

11110111011 posted...

Would you watch a Marvel movie

no. Superhero movies are played out.

Yeah, I came to say this. I wasn't much of a Marvel fan to begin with, and umpteen million movies later I'm quite bored of them taking up all of the industry's energy. Aren't there any novelists writing good novels to make into movies these days? Where's Michael Crichton when you need him?

As for a 90-minute fight scene...I mean, that's not too far from what they are now, is it?

...so endgame?

If they had action sequences reminiscent of Winter Soldier, heck yea. Black Panther? Not so much...

If they somehow green lit a Raid-like film with Epsilon or lower end Beta power level superheros, I'd be all over it. Could be a lot of fun.

Veedrock- posted...

The problem with a 90+ minute fight sequence is there's no satisfying natural conclusion.

To be fair we've had hour-long wrestling matches that fans say are some of the best in the entire history of the sport, so it's not as if you can't script a long combat scenario in a way that has a satisfying conclusion.

I find them hard enough to watch already.

Probably not

I know that because of that long battle in one of the recent Superman movies.. felt like it went on for about 45 minutes

supergamer19 posted...

If they somehow green lit a Raid-like film with Epsilon or lower end Beta power level superheros, I'd be all over it. Could be a lot of fun.

Part of the reason young justice was so good. There's a lot more nuance in conflict when it's not just god vs. god

I'm not a big fan of marvel in general, I hate that overly campy kiddy shit

Give me Dark Knight or Spider-Man 2 over that shit, unfortunately that's all Disney cares about, selling shit to kids and not making a good movie

Muscles posted...

Spider-Man 2

lol wat

Metalsonic66 posted...

lol wat

it's muscles

what do you expect

Metalsonic66 posted...

lol wat

It was made by Sony not marvel even if Spider-Man is a marvel character, the pre mcu movies made by other studios were not what I was talking about.

No, the action setpieces are generally the least interesting parts of modern Marvel movies.

Muscles posted...

It was made by Sony not marvel even if Spider-Man is a marvel character, the pre mcu movies made by other studios were not what I was talking about.

Spider-Man 2 is just as "kiddy" as any Marvel movie, and campier than any of them ever were

Metalsonic66 posted...

Spider-Man 2 is just as "kiddy" as any Marvel movie, and campier than any of them ever were

It was directed by a man mostly known for horror movies. Sure it's campy and mostly family friendly but you gotta admit that doc ock operating room scene's got tension. And don't forget green goblin's grenades that strip the flesh off people's bones.

But beyond all that, I think those two movies are so beloved because Raimi was actually trying to tell a human story, with stakes and sacrifices involved and characters you rooted for, something pretty much non-existent in modern marvel films

Metalsonic66 posted...

Spider-Man 2 is just as "kiddy" as any Marvel movie, and campier than any of them ever were

I haven't seen it in over a decade so maybe that's why I don't remember the campiness

wpot posted...

Where's Michael Crichton when you need him?

I wonder if the pirate movie got canceled.

Muscles posted...

I haven't seen it in over a decade so maybe that's why I don't remember the campiness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmOaKlDY1Q

Could be interesting. Id give it a shot.

I just imagined if Disney/Marvel involved itself in making "The Raid" and the idea is such a tragedy. That kind of movie only works with a relatively low budget and a lot of physically skilled stuntmen to work with or as an animated feature.

UltraIchi posted...

It was directed by a man mostly known for horror movies. Sure it's campy and mostly family friendly but you gotta admit that doc ock operating room scene's got tension. And don't forget green goblin's grenades that strip the flesh off people's bones.

Yeah and MCU movies have had people get impaled and vaporized and blown up and bisected and frozen solid and so on and so forth

ParanoidObsessive posted...

To be fair we've had hour-long wrestling matches that fans say are some of the best in the entire history of the sport, so it's not as if you can't script a long combat scenario in a way that has a satisfying conclusion.

Wrestling has the enormous benefit of established rules and a clear win condition. An unrestricted superhero battle would be a lot harder to pace for that length of time uninterrupted while progressing to a legitimate finish.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Yeah and MCU movies have had people get impaled and vaporized and blown up and bisected and frozen solid and so on and so forth

I haven't seen most of them to be fair but even if they were willing to show or imply things of the sort, the actual tone of the movies and the manner in which characters talk to each other can never be something too much for children to handle.

You'll never hear what Thanos did referred to as 'genocide' in the films. They probably even avoid using the words kill or die too often cause it's scary and permanent and it's easier for this type of media to be vague about concepts they don't think kids understand.

UltraIchi posted...

the actual tone of the movies and the manner in which characters talk to each other can never be something too much for children to handle.

And neither was Raimi Spider-Man
UltraIchi posted...

You'll never hear what Thanos did referred to as 'genocide' in the films.

No but Hulk did say "you killed trillions!"
UltraIchi posted...

They probably even avoid using the words kill or die too often cause it's scary and permanent and it's easier for this type of media to be vague about concepts they don't think kids understand.

You'd be wrong there

UltraIchi posted...

They probably even avoid using the words kill or die too often cause it's scary and permanent and it's easier for this type of media to be vague about concepts they don't think kids understand.

I literally had to think back to the most recently released MCU movie to know you're wrong. Stop talking about things you literally have no knowledge basis in.

Idk if I could do a full movie length battle, tbh

Veedrock- posted...

The problem with a 90+ minute fight sequence is there's no satisfying natural conclusion. What changed after 90 minutes that suddenly let the heroes win?

The bad guys ran out of sentinels

LinkPizza posted...

The bad guys ran out of sentinels

How is that satisfying? Where's the climax?

How long is "long?"

Veedrock- posted...

How is that satisfying? Where's the climax?

The sentinels would most likely get stronger as the battle went on. Newer sentinels that were stronger and better in many ways. Each time stronger sentinels (as an example) came out, they had to figure out new ways to take them out. Or use their powers in different ways. And when the last one or last few came out, it seemed like it would be impossible for them to take them down. But then they find the chink in their armor. Even then, it'll be hard to take down still. But by working together, and using a ton of power, they are able to take it down...

Something like that. Obviously, based on the plot of the battle, some things could change. But basically, something like that, I would think...

Lynyrd_Skynyrd posted...

I literally had to think back to the most recently released MCU movie to know you're wrong. Stop talking about things you literally have no knowledge basis in.

Get triggered

UltraIchi posted...

Get triggered

Is he that wrong, though? You yourself said you havent seen most of them. And apparently said things that were wrong as other posters mentioned. With that stuff, it does seem like you are talking about things you are lacking knowledge about

UltraIchi posted...

Get triggered

Lol what?

UltraIchi posted...

You'll never hear what Thanos did referred to as 'genocide' in the films

Except Doctor Strange literally did just that in Infinity War...

LinkPizza posted...

Is he that wrong, though? You yourself said you havent seen most of them. And apparently said things that were wrong as other posters mentioned. With that stuff, it does seem like you are talking about things you are lacking knowledge about

You're totally right, and I could've made a better argument to support my case cause it's a little too easy for people to mention the several times heavy subjects are mentioned or extreme violence is depicted across nearly 30 films without missing the greater point that these movies care little about telling a story that resonates with adults. Of course that's subjective and I honestly don't know how to convey that sentiment to a bigger and more experienced fan of the media.

It's been some time since I saw Raimi's first two spidermans so I may be defending films I wouldn't even like anymore

UltraIchi posted...

You're totally right, and I could've made a better argument to support my case cause it's a little too easy for people to mention the several times heavy subjects are mentioned or extreme violence is depicted across nearly 30 films without missing the greater point that these movies care little about telling a story that resonates with adults. Of course that's subjective and I honestly don't know how to convey that sentiment to a bigger and more experienced fan of the media.

It's been some time since I saw Raimi's first two spidermans so I may be defending films I wouldn't even like anymore

They do resonate with adults, though. Because of nostalgia for many. These are stories based off of comics, tv shows, cartoons, movies, etc. from when they were younger. So, like you said, subjective. But many adults go to see them. And its a hot topic around many workplaces

UltraIchi posted...

You're totally right, and I could've made a better argument to support my case cause it's a little too easy for people to mention the several times heavy subjects are mentioned or extreme violence is depicted across nearly 30 films without missing the greater point that these movies care little about telling a story that resonates with adults. Of course that's subjective and I honestly don't know how to convey that sentiment to a bigger and more experienced fan of the media.

It's been some time since I saw Raimi's first two spidermans so I may be defending films I wouldn't even like anymore

There was no greater point.