Poll of the Day > Kim Potter found guilty

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/us/manslaughter-kim-potter-verdict.html

Honestly surprised this happened. This should happen every time a cop doesn't know the difference between a gun and a taser.

Don't tell Harry.

Why the fuck do people post paywalled articles as a citation? -_-

And it's not like the NYT is a bastion of journalistic integrity anyway.

Zeus posted...

Why the fuck do people post paywalled articles as a citation? -_-

I told you the last time. Refresh and hit the x button before it loads fully. I didn't have that problem when I loaded the article anyway.

Revelation34 posted...

I told you the last time. Refresh and hit the x button before it loads fully. I didn't have that problem when I loaded the article anyway.

...and then it just tries to refresh again.

And like I noted, the NYT is a gutter-tier outlet anyway. Just use USA Today.

Molitheus posted...

Don't tell Harry.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/6/AAFUswAACvAG.jpg

I'm not too surprised. Manslaughter was an appropriate charge and reasonable to prosecute.

Revelation34 posted...

I told you the last time. Refresh and hit the x button before it loads fully. I didn't have that problem when I loaded the article anyway.

Or you could just post articles that don't require shit like that to be able to read them.

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Yeah, everyone reading this thread should have to bypass a paywall by doing weird tricks like stopping the loading of a webpage halfway. That makes much more sense than the OP just posting a link to an article that everyone can read without any trouble.

One of my relatives is malding on facebook about this. Said she should have acted like a Vietnam prisoner of war, I shit you not.

Edit: I can't resist. Here, read this shit. Dude's copium is out of control:

Feeling bad and sorry for Kim Potter. A vicious violent thug just ruined her life. I wish the best for Kim Potter. Well, I disagree with jury verdict but I guess we are going to have accept it. It's unlikely she will win on appeal. She did appear to get a fair trial and the jury was sequestered. I still believe was a tragic mistake. As Wright is concerned, he's already got his Karma. I guess the jury didn't want to see their town burn again. It's very interesting but if you listen to the verdict and most people missed it, but Kim Potter was actually found Guilty 2 DAYS AGO on 12/21/2021. after about 6 to 7 hours of deliberation of 2nd Degree Man. It took all that extra time to find Potter guilty of 1st Degree Man on 12/23/2021.
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This sounds a bit crazy but this what Kim Potter should have done during her final days of freedom. Being found guilty by jury verdict is a very humiliating experience and very satisfying to the other side. However, there may be a very legal way to prevent it other than fleeing (Jumping Bail). Kim Potter should have had someone break both of her legs and arms requiring her to be placed in a full body cast. They could have contrived some reason that she fell from her attic or something. By Kim Potter being in a full body cast, they would have unable to do several things. First, Kim Potter would be unable to be handcuffed in the courtroom and lead away. Second, Potter would not have gone to jail but would have been sent to a medical facility. And third, they couldn't take her mug to plaster all over. It would be a risky move but would have had a lot of benefits. Now people say that sounds totally crazy, but it really isn't if you consider the Late James Stockdale, a Vietnam POW.... "When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, he beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition."A man with incredible intestional fortitude.

I side-stepped the weird Vietnam POW rant and responded with:
Her inability to responsibly do her job just ruined her life.
I dunno, I just think it's odd how often conservatives will scream about personal responsibility when it comes to systemic problems but a cop can be so mind-boggingly incompetent that they can confuse their firearm with their taser and that's somehow the fault of the person they killed, lol.

Gaawa_chan posted...

Kim Potter should have had someone break both of her legs and arms requiring her to be placed in a full body cast.

I haven't the slightest idea if they're joking or not

UltraIchi posted...

I haven't the slightest idea if they're joking or not

Oh, he's quite serious. You should have seen the shit he posted about the Aubery case.

Btw, most of the people in my family are some degree of neurodivergent or mentally ill or both, so... social media is always... uh, interesting.

Is this the cop that broke into their neighbours' home and shot the neighbour?

Who dat

Well the thing is whether anyone agrees or not there have been far too many Black males hurt or killed at the hands of LEOs in what the police call "a routine traffic stop" and there's never no clear indication of what the person did other than the usual lip service that the person was or had a criminal record or they had drugs or they had what appeared to be a weapon only to find out later they were holding a cell phone.

FatalAccident posted...

Who dat

She's a cop here who went to taze someone she was trying to arrest but shot him to death instead stating she mistook her gun for her taser

I think convicting her of 1st degree "voluntary manslaughter" was an overreach and frankly I don't think the prosecutors should have included that charge given their argument of "we don't need to prove intention": they talked almost entirely about recklessness. I think convicting her of 2nd degree involuntary manslaughter alone would have been more appropriate.

Personally I feel bad for her even at 2nd, but her actions met the definition of 2nd and she simply had to be convicted of it all considered. Hopefully the judge takes her character outside of that moment into account in the sentencing, as I assume she will.

Tragedy for all involved, but the correct message was sent.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/3/AADUYLAACvFD.jpg

Shes responsible but if the kid didnt flee and obeyed orders none of this even happens. But unfortunately part of the job as a cop is to be able to defuse the situation properly and she made a mistake which warrants a penalty. obviously she did not intend to do what she did so im sure a 5 year prison sentence is long enough.

The defendants argued kim should be free until the sentencing but I think she could kill herself if that happens

Score Update:

BLM = 3, Alt-Right/MAGA = 1

Minnesota is a liberal state. **** the po po so no surprise we threw the book at the white cops

teddy241 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/3/AADUYLAACvFD.jpg

She takes a very happy mugshot.

teddy241 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/3/AADUYLAACvFD.jpg

That's the face of someone who overestimates the legal protection they're offered

teddy241 posted...

Shes responsible but if the kid didnt flee and obeyed orders none of this even happens. But unfortunately part of the job as a cop is to be able to defuse the situation properly and she made a mistake which warrants a penalty. obviously she did not intend to do what she did so im sure a 5 year prison sentence is long enough.

The defendants argued kim should be free until the sentencing but I think she could kill herself if that happens

Not like I know what's going through her head but killing yourself over a 5 year sentence seems a bit irrational

UltraIchi posted...

Not like I know what's going through her head but killing yourself over a 5 year sentence seems a bit irrational

Maybe she'll somehow mistake it for a life sentence.

pionear posted...

Score Update:

BLM = 3, Alt-Right/MAGA = 1

I don't see it.

teddy241 posted...

Minnesota is a liberal state. **** the po po so no surprise we threw the book at the white cops

MN is a moderate state, but given that the right is increasingly...whatever the heck they are our moderateness now falls on the left side of the aisle. Minneapolis is liberal, certainly, but the state as a whole is pretty purple.

Most people in the state outside Minneapolis value the tough things the police are doing for us - I know a lot of great cops around here - but we're also more than willing to throw the book at any of them who, you know, kill people. And we always need to address the power-tripping and/or racist elements that get drawn to enforcement positions: we (like most) certainly have a ways to go there. And we could certainly have better integrated housing etc/etc...we're worse than other places at that.

I knew Chauvin would be convicted the moment I heard what happened there. It's not just white cops, though: Mohamed Noor was a black Somali-American Minneapolis cop who killed an Australian white lady given an itchy trigger finger. He was convicted.

As for why we have so many newsworthy police-involved killings...good question. It's still statistically small so here's hoping random chance, but those had better be the end of it for a long time.

UltraIchi posted...

Not like I know what's going through her head but killing yourself over a 5 year sentence seems a bit irrational

assuming the judge doesnt throw the book at her. Supposedly she could be facing up to 25 years in prison now thats shes found guilty on all charges. I really don't think the judge will do that and instead give her 5. But idk in the original police body camera after she shot daunte, Kim is heard saying shes going to kill herself.

She was distraught. At one point, you can hear her say, Let me kill myself. Johnson took Potter's handgun from her

Zeus posted...

And it's not like the NYT is a bastion of journalistic integrity anyway.

Zeus posted...

And like I noted, the NYT is a gutter-tier outlet anyway. Just use USA Today.

Maybe. But even when I highlight and search her name, it still says guilty on other sites

wpot posted...

though: Mohamed Noor was a black Somali-American Minneapolis cop who killed an Australian white lady given an itchy trigger finger. He was convicted.

And then overturned.

Jen0125 posted...

She's a cop here who went to taze someone she was trying to arrest but shot him to death instead stating she mistook her gun for her taser

Ah that story rings a bell. Manslaughter seems sensible on the surface of it

Revelation34 posted...

And then overturned.

Convicted of murder, resentenced to 5-yrs involuntary manslaughter. A correct correction, I believe. Here's hoping Potter gets something similar.

wpot posted...

Convicted of murder, resentenced to 5-yrs involuntary manslaughter. A correct correction, I believe. Here's hoping Potter gets something similar.

Nothing was correct about that.

Revelation34 posted...

Nothing was correct about that.

OK, I'll look up the correct phrasing: sentenced to 12 years for murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. Murder was later thrown out, but involuntary manslaughter remains: sentence reduced to five years. Seems close enough for the point I was trying to make off the top of my head.

I was just saying he was convicted and given a crushing penalty. Sure murder/12 vs manslaughter/5 makes a difference, but either is remarkable punishment for a cop. What point are you trying to make?

Tough case, but at the end of the day she should've known the difference

This is a case that might have some appeal power.. especially with 1st degree MS charge. (a charge basically added last minute)

BUMPED2002 posted...

Well the thing is whether anyone agrees or not there have been far too many Black males hurt or killed at the hands of LEOs in what the police call "a routine traffic stop" and there's never no clear indication of what the person did other than the usual lip service that the person was or had a criminal record or they had drugs or they had what appeared to be a weapon only to find out later they were holding a cell phone.

It's times like this that it's best to keep perspective. More than half of all the people killed by police each year are white. Also that doesn't happen nearly as often as the narrative claims it does. (unarmed deaths account for something like <6% of all deaths) As for a criminal record and such.. The one thing that nearly all of the publicized cases have in common is that attempts to resist arrest/fight back and or flee.

James xeno posted...

It's times like this that it's best to keep perspective. More than half of all the people killed by police each year are white. Also that doesn't happen nearly as often as the narrative claims it does. (unarmed deaths account for something like <6% of all deaths) As for a criminal record and such.. The one thing that nearly all of the publicized cases have in common is that attempts to resist arrest/fight back and or flee.

Black people are certainly killed disproportionately by the police and I do believe there are a significant number of racist police officers. But nobody ever seems to find it odd that you never see stories about white people being killed by the police despite it happening quite frequently. If people think that some of these aren't completely unjustified, they're deluding themselves. But the news would never bother to cover it. The problem with policing in America is way more than just rampant racism

Hell, a personal anecdote. My dad has had quite a lot of run ins with the law. He actually told me about one today that kinda shocked me even though I've heard and personally seen of it. Said when he was 16 he went to jail for weed and a cop woke him up by punching him in the mouth. He said that he, on pure instinct, kicked at the officer and didn't even touch him yet they charged him with assaulting a police officer

Shit like that happens in small towns a lot

My relative won't stop whining about this, lol:

Potter's conviction will really be wake up call for cops to get out of the business. One false move under a very stressful situation and your going away for 10+ Years. Potter's unfortunate accident could not have come at a worst time. Back in the day, it would have have been a open and shut case. Daunte Wright resisted arrest and got shot in process, end of story. But because of the nasty and hateful BLM movement, the police industry has been poisoned by corrupt DAs and other officials. It's really sad to see. Police don't get any support anymore and are hated everywhere. Who would ever want to become a cop???

Yeah, it turns out that if you can't keep your cool in stressful situations, you shouldn't be in a job where you handle deadly weapons. Moron.

OhhhJa posted...

But nobody ever seems to find it odd that you never see stories about white people being killed by the police

... Yes, you do. In fact, the cop murder that stands out most in my mind was committed against a white man.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981
You're too busy stanning cops to pay attention to anything other than the BLM cases you wanna shit on.

wpot posted...

OK, I'll look up the correct phrasing: sentenced to 12 years for murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. Murder was later thrown out, but involuntary manslaughter remains: sentence reduced to five years. Seems close enough for the point I was trying to make off the top of my head.

I was just saying he was convicted and given a crushing penalty. Sure murder/12 vs manslaughter/5 makes a difference, but either is remarkable punishment for a cop. What point are you trying to make?

They only got rid of the other charges because he was a cop.

Gaawa_chan posted...

Yes, you do. In fact, the cop murder that stands out most in my mind was committed against a white man.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981
You're too busy stanning cops to pay attention to anything other than the BLM cases you wanna shit on.

The most ridiculous part of that is they let him retire.

Gaawa_chan posted...

You're too busy stanning cops to pay attention to anything other than the BLM cases you wanna shit on.

You're so biased and dense you apparently didn't see the rant I had in that same fucking post shitting on cops. In fact, that was the entire post ffs

Gaawa_chan posted...

... Yes, you do. In fact, the cop murder that stands out most in my mind was committed against a white man.

Also, you heard about this because it was especially heinous. Most police shootings you hear about are tragic accidents. Executions will always make the news

OhhhJa posted...

You're so biased and dense you apparently didn't see the rant I had in that same fucking post shitting on cops. In fact, that was the entire post ffs

I freely admit that I have intense trouble keeping accounts straight so I may be confusing you with someone else. Have the same problem with irl people.

James xeno posted...

More than half of all the people killed by police each year are white.

its almost like more than half the country is white so that number makes sense

Cacciato posted...

its almost like more than half the country is white so that number makes sense

Some % points of difference does not a case of clear racial bias make. Let alone "racist death squads killing black people indiscriminately in mass", as some platformed voices like to allege! (i.e. That there is some kind of exceptional thing going on, where police are simply killing blacks in mass, totally outside of the normal for everybody else.) We are talking about an average of ~230 or so total each year.. To put this in perspective.. about ~49 people are killed by lightning every year on average. And that number is before you factor out the deaths that fall within the raw demographic numbers... (which don't really mean nearly as much as some like to contend, but have to be considered here since they represent the entirety of the so-called racial bias assertion to begin with) It should also be noted that an insistence on demographic parity leads to some very.. interesting disparities in certain other criminal justice data related to this. Specifically, data that can't be hand-waved away with claims of bias or anything else.

James xeno posted...

Some % points of difference does not a case of clear racial bias make. Let alone "racist death squads killing black people indiscriminately in mass", as some platformed voices like to allege! (i.e. That there is some kind of exceptional thing going on, where police are simply killing blacks in mass, totally outside of the normal for everybody else.) We are talking about an average of ~230 or so total each year.. To put this in perspective.. about ~49 people are killed by lightning every year on average. And that number is before you factor out the deaths that fall within the raw demographic numbers... (which don't really mean nearly as much as some like to contend, but have to be considered here since they represent the entirety of the so-called racial bias assertion to begin with) It should also be noted that an insistence on demographic parity leads to some very.. interesting disparities in certain other criminal justice data related to this. Specifically, data that can't be hand-waved away with claims of bias or anything else.

And here I thought lightning was supposed to protect us!

UltraIchi posted...

And here I thought lightning was supposed to protect us!

That's certainly an argument that could be made in general.. not sure about in this specific context though. Plus, just to be clear, most of the police related deaths are or are as near to unambiguous as you could get. (literal shootouts, struggles over a weapon, car chases etc.)

Revelation34 posted...

BLM = 3, Alt-Right/MAGA = 1
I don't see it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/3/AADtvSAACv7b.jpg

pionear posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/3/AADtvSAACv7b.jpg

"I don't see it."