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InfinityMonster
12/21/21 9:08:55 PM
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Tonight at 3 AM.

There's gonna be a lot to unpack in a single episode. Hope it's good.

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DarkFists
12/21/21 9:17:06 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me if it sets up an S2, unless something happens in the finale to change things drastically, it's one of the easiest of the MCU shows to set up a sequel for imo

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Xerun
12/21/21 9:19:09 PM
#3:


DarkFists posted...
Wouldn't surprise me if it sets up an S2, unless something happens in the finale to change things drastically, it's one of the easiest of the MCU shows to set up a sequel for imo

Yeah I think Im feeling a season 2. I know theyve announced another show with a specific character (spoilers for that announced show)
Echo. So I imagine Maya and Kingpin is dealt with there and the finale sets that show up.



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DarthAragorn
12/21/21 9:21:25 PM
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Yeah I'm not expecting a season 2 because I imagine Echo will deal with her and Kingpin more.

But then again, only one episode of Hawkeye in costume seems like a waste, so...

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Xerun
12/21/21 9:33:44 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Yeah I'm not expecting a season 2 because I imagine Echo will deal with her and Kingpin more.

But then again, only one episode of Hawkeye in costume seems like a waste, so...

We did get Loki season 2 after the credits of season 1 and a movie announcement after Falcon and the Winter Soldier so maybe this isnt the end of Hawkeye.

That being said I want Kate and Yelena show way more now

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lilORANG
12/21/21 9:35:56 PM
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Kate riding that toy horse while all tied up was hot af.

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WorsCaseOntario
12/21/21 9:37:15 PM
#7:


Why did they make a show about Hawkeye, the most boring Avenger who's power is... bow and arrows?

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lilORANG
12/21/21 9:39:20 PM
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Despite being underpowered compared to the others, he's hardly boring. He's been entertaining in every movie he's been in.

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BakonBitz
12/21/21 9:42:36 PM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
Why did they make a show about Hawkeye, the most boring Avenger who's power is... bow and arrows?
Some people root for the underdog. I think Hawkeye is pretty cool anyway.

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dmaster342
12/21/21 10:22:07 PM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
Why did they make a show about Hawkeye, the most boring Avenger

I feel like that's part of the reason people like the show/character. He's like the least "superhero-y" making him the most relateable. That and they probably didn't want to give him a movie but it allows for a story that has new/old characters like Kate and the "villains".

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Mezcla
12/21/21 10:23:02 PM
#11:


wait theres only 6 episodes?

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littlebro07
12/21/21 11:12:35 PM
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So far Im loving this show the most of the Disney+ MCU shit

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Medussa
12/22/21 2:54:07 AM
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aaaahhhhhh

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burns112233
12/22/21 3:11:27 AM
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He's bacckkk...
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Tom Clark
12/22/21 3:15:28 AM
#15:


WorsCaseOntario posted...
Why did they make a show about Hawkeye, the most boring Avenger who's power is... bow and arrows?

Not saying I disagree, but they somehow managed to make it my favourite of all the MCU shows so far.

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Medussa
12/22/21 3:22:18 AM
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label maker!

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Medussa
12/22/21 3:45:59 AM
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not bad on the suplex, but Amos' was better.

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burns112233
12/22/21 3:46:27 AM
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burns112233 posted...
He's bacckkk...
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sktgamer_13dude
12/22/21 3:59:41 AM
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Im so happy about the post credits being Rodgers the Musical. (not an actual spoiler, just a fun surprise)

Now to actual spoilers below

No one is dead until you see it on screen, so Kingpin could still be alive.

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008Zulu
12/22/21 4:00:51 AM
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burns112233 posted...
He's gonneee (Kingpin)
He took a bunch of grenade arrows to the face. You think a bullet will worry him?

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burns112233
12/22/21 4:02:44 AM
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I feel like Disney trolled me with that post credit scene.
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cjsdowg
12/22/21 4:05:49 AM
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That after credits thing was horrible.

A lot of people had to died in the battle of New York. We know Cate lost her father . And they are making a fucking musical out to it. And let's not even get into the heroes that are dead.

BW,Tony,to the world Cap. And they are bad actors singing about them.

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DarthAragorn
12/22/21 4:17:46 AM
#23:


The Kate and Yelena combo continues to be amazing and they should absolutely get their own show together

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Medussa
12/22/21 4:26:20 AM
#24:


burns112233 posted...
I feel like Disney trolled me with that post credit scene.

i could watch it all day

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sktgamer_13dude
12/22/21 4:29:04 AM
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DarthAragorn posted...
The Kate and Yelena combo continues to be amazing and they should absolutely get their own show together

Yelena should be the new Stan Lee tbh.

Shes so god damn funny.

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pegusus123456
12/22/21 4:49:10 AM
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Finale cemented this as the best D+ MCU show, but it would have accomplished that just by not falling completely apart.

I'm a bit disappointed that Kingpin is seemingly dead, but I'll believe it when I watch Echo. For what it's worth, a maybe-spoiler from the comics is that exact scene happens and he survives. Honestly, I'm not sure what the premise of that show would be otherwise.

Kate using the Pym arrow and them both just kinda dumbfounded as to wtf to do with the tiny tracksuits is one of the best jokes the MCU has made. Second only to Lokidin's "oh shit" when Thor comes back early in Ragnarok.

And the post-credits was great, ya'll wildin'.

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Medussa
12/22/21 4:52:08 AM
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firsttime.meme?

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Medussa
12/22/21 4:53:18 AM
#28:


pegusus123456 posted...


And the post-credits was great, ya'll wildin'.

absolutely, i just wish it wasn't the only one. there were a couple other loose ends that deserved some attention, too, that won't really fit anywhere else.

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pegusus123456
12/22/21 5:01:54 AM
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Man, a lot of reddit is also mad about the post-credits scene.

It's okay to just enjoy something, you don't have to be endlessly seeking the next event.

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burns112233
12/22/21 5:04:52 AM
#30:


pegusus123456 posted...
Man, a lot of reddit is also mad about the post-credits scene.

It's okay to just enjoy something, you don't have to be endlessly seeking the next event.
I think it would have been okay if we didn't see the exact same scene in the first episode.
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pegusus123456
12/22/21 5:07:49 AM
#31:


burns112233 posted...
I think it would have been okay if we didn't see the exact same scene in the first episode.
You saw a tiny portion of it, not the full bit.

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chrono625
12/22/21 5:35:06 AM
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No way hes dead.

they wouldnt waste one of the few assets of the Netflix shows especially when NWH exists.

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SalazarCrane
12/22/21 5:35:59 AM
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That post credits was awful. They could have at least salvaged it by showing yelena in the audience enjoying it.

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Mr_Karate_II
12/22/21 5:39:59 AM
#34:


Disney said in their post about the last episode that it was the season finale not series finale. Usually they don't say season finale if they don't intend on making another season.

There's no way Kingpin is dead, especially since he's suppose to show up in another Disney+ show.

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indica
12/22/21 5:52:21 AM
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Yelena is the best thing in the MCU--she's fucking amazing

I missed it...what was up with the watch?

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indica
12/22/21 5:54:31 AM
#36:


cjsdowg posted...
That after credits thing was horrible.

A lot of people had to died in the battle of New York. We know Cate lost her father . And they are making a fucking musical out to it. And let's not even get into the heroes that are dead.

BW,Tony,to the world Cap. And they are bad actors singing about them.
This. It would be like having a 9/11 musical...

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Mr_Karate_II
12/22/21 5:55:56 AM
#37:


indica posted...
Yelena is the best thing in the MCU--she's fucking amazing

I missed it...what was up with the watch?
Pretty sure Clints wife worked for SHIELD at one point or at least that's the vibe I got from it. I could be wrong though

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chrono625
12/22/21 5:56:46 AM
#38:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
Pretty sure Clints wife worked for SHIELD at one point or at least that's the vibe I got from it. I could be wrong though

isnt it a reference or confirmation from the show agents of shield?

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Mr_Karate_II
12/22/21 5:57:16 AM
#39:


chrono625 posted...
isnt it a reference or confirmation from the show agents of shield?
I'm not sure

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pegusus123456
12/22/21 5:57:34 AM
#40:


indica posted...
I missed it...what was up with the watch?
Laura was a SHIELD agent. More specifically, the 19 on it indicates she was Mockingbird who was Clint's ex-wife in the comics.

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008Zulu
12/22/21 6:43:41 AM
#41:


pegusus123456 posted...
Man, a lot of reddit is also mad about the post-credits scene.
It's Reddit. They're default stance is "angry at everything".

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Blue_Popo
12/22/21 7:13:39 AM
#42:


Im fine with the post credits, not everything has to be an ad

I liked how strong kingpin was, ripped the car door off but dead or alive, that was disappointing
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joe40001
12/22/21 7:22:25 AM
#43:


Since TT has spoiler warning, I'm speaking freely.

I kinda hated it. It was like they had a bunch of good ideas, but for each one somebody came in and said "ok, but is there a way to make that lame?"

Bring back Fisk? Awesome idea. Make him mini-hulk and maybe kill him? WTF? As I watched him in this show it just made me realize how much better Daredevil was. That was like actual TV.

It's appropriate they bring up larping, because at this point every marvel show seems to be nearly larping at the stakes. If somebody is coming at you and wanting to shoot you in the head with a gun, they aren't also going to want to share a story about their happiness about your relationship advice.

Imagine for a second that any attempt for either the heroes or the henchmen to stop the other resulted in a visible death. But we are supposed to pretend "yeah, they froze his leg off, he's fine, yeah shrapnel is embedded in 25 people, they're fine. Yeah a guy with dubious morals literally sworded 50 people to the ground to the point the people are motionless but they are fine.

BUT MOM, YOU KILLED 1 OLD DUDE, YOU NEED TO GO TO PRISON.

Bitch, are you for real? You just conducted 500 counts of assault and definitely some of them could not be argued to be self defense.

Disney is literally at the point of "what can we milk for cash", and so they take a character like Fisk that another show brilliantly constructed, and milked the fuck out of him. In a pittance of screen time they took my excitement to see Fisk and turned it into frustration and disappointment.

Now if Disney is bringing back Fisk I won't care, not because he's not a great character, not because Dinofrio isn't amazing, but because disney/marvel now insists everything has to be maximum 6 year old logic of stakes and good guys and bad guys.

A good guy can fire a fucking fireball explosion bomb arrow at a bunch of bad guys and we can just go "yeah, I'm sure they are fine, camera didn't zoom in on them, also not only are they fine but our heroes 100% knew everybody would be fine."

You took away their guns, they were 40 feet away, and you jokingly fired a bomb at them. That shit is attempted murder.

At this point there are no rules, there are no stakes, there is no reason to care because it's a bunch of people who in everything they do communicate "none of this matters or is a serious risk" which would be ok enough if they didn't every so often pretend "that guy said no before he was killed so it's bad" or "mommy you have to go to prison because your attempted murder worked. I just shot a man in the chest with an arrow even though that man made it clear he didn't want to fight me, but that wasn't bad because my attempted murder didn't work."

Fuck Disney/Marvel now.

Makes me want to rewatch Daredevil and remember what good TV can be when it's not this mandatory maximum of lukewarm writing and intelligence.

I'll give the producers credit. On paper this is a great idea for a show, but everything past the outline phase really fucked it up.

Also, Clint, it's fucking christmas morning and you've been an absentee father, you can wait 20 fucking minutes to barbeque your suit.

PS: Why was it ok for Clint to kill like 1000 people as the Ronin, but Hawkgirl's mom can't get forgiveness for killing 1? That old guy was kinda shitty. Whose to say he wasn't more evil than henchman #2312 that mustache man slit the throat of with his sword but we never zoomed in on it.

PPS: Seriously though, you are telling me slitting the guts of 40 people with swords and that is not a criminal charge? Everybody's fine? Is it literal larping logic for these scenes?

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pegusus123456
12/22/21 7:25:45 AM
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Bruh, please shut the fuck up.

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joe40001
12/22/21 7:31:26 AM
#45:


pegusus123456 posted...
Bruh, please shut the fuck up.

Sorry I attacked stupid writing, it would make sense that you specifically would enjoy such writing.

Also it's a topic literally asking people for their opinion on the finale, and when somebody does talk you tell them to shut the fuck up?

lol Fuck off.

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pegusus123456
12/22/21 7:34:53 AM
#46:


joe40001 posted...
Sorry I attacked stupid writing,
You complained that a show about a college girl meeting a superhero to fight a group literally called the Tracksuit Mafia didn't do an introspective reflection on the brutality of vigilantism violence and went on to criticize the entire MCU for not doing the same.

Please shut the fuck up lol.

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SwayM
12/22/21 7:50:27 AM
#47:


pegusus123456 posted...
You complained that a show about a college girl meeting a superhero to fight a group literally called the Tracksuit Mafia didn't do an introspective reflection on the brutality of vigilantism violence and went on to criticize the entire MCU for not doing the same.

Please shut the fuck up lol.

Agreed.

For good and for bad MCU got people forgetting this is comic book shit.

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InfinityMonster
12/22/21 7:52:50 AM
#48:


Oh man, that was awesome. I did not think they'd do that much Fisk. The whole thing was very satisfying and I was lowkey rooting for him too lol. He took so much and was just chilling. The Maya ending was disappointing but obviously he's not gonna be dead.

Ngl, that musical definitely had the New York spirit and since I'm from NYC, the lyrics were absolutely hilarious.

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joe40001
12/22/21 8:02:25 AM
#49:


pegusus123456 posted...
You complained that a show about a college girl meeting a superhero to fight a group literally called the Tracksuit Mafia didn't do an introspective reflection on the brutality of vigilantism violence and went on to criticize the entire MCU for not doing the same.

Please shut the fuck up lol.

If there are literally no stakes and no rules, then what do you just fucking clap at the pretty colors on screen?

I'm fine with making this more informal, but the trouble is sometimes they pretend like any of this is serious and not baby-tv, and so how the fuck am I supposed to care about that?

Give me a coherent argument why the mother should be arrested and clint/hawkgirl should not.

100% self-defense? It wasn't
100% against "bad guys" (so was the mom)
100% non-fatal (assault is typically a crime and loads of the shit they did was easily fatal, even if we didn't see it, those people were turned into ants in that car and carried off by a hawk, you are telling me they are fine?)

I can adjust to silly rules, but if it is "turn your brain off to the point nothing has to matter or make sense" then why not just stare at a store light and call it good entertainment?

How can you defend a show if you acknowledge the story, stakes, and rules don't matter at all?

I didn't hate everything, there were good ideas in there, but the execution intelligence of the writing was pretty bad.

It's like Got S8, or Black Widow tier, stuff normal people didn't used to give a pass to.

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Mr_Karate_II
12/22/21 8:04:53 AM
#50:


joe40001 posted...
Since TT has spoiler warning, I'm speaking freely.

I kinda hated it. It was like they had a bunch of good ideas, but for each one somebody came in and said "ok, but is there a way to make that lame?"

Bring back Fisk? Awesome idea. Make him mini-hulk and maybe kill him? WTF? As I watched him in this show it just made me realize how much better Daredevil was. That was like actual TV.

It's appropriate they bring up larping, because at this point every marvel show seems to be nearly larping at the stakes. If somebody is coming at you and wanting to shoot you in the head with a gun, they aren't also going to want to share a story about their happiness about your relationship advice.

Imagine for a second that any attempt for either the heroes or the henchmen to stop the other resulted in a visible death. But we are supposed to pretend "yeah, they froze his leg off, he's fine, yeah shrapnel is embedded in 25 people, they're fine. Yeah a guy with dubious morals literally sworded 50 people to the ground to the point the people are motionless but they are fine.

BUT MOM, YOU KILLED 1 OLD DUDE, YOU NEED TO GO TO PRISON.

Bitch, are you for real? You just conducted 500 counts of assault and definitely some of them could not be argued to be self defense.

Disney is literally at the point of "what can we milk for cash", and so they take a character like Fisk that another show brilliantly constructed, and milked the fuck out of him. In a pittance of screen time they took my excitement to see Fisk and turned it into frustration and disappointment.

Now if Disney is bringing back Fisk I won't care, not because he's not a great character, not because Dinofrio isn't amazing, but because disney/marvel now insists everything has to be maximum 6 year old logic of stakes and good guys and bad guys.

A good guy can fire a fucking fireball explosion bomb arrow at a bunch of bad guys and we can just go "yeah, I'm sure they are fine, camera didn't zoom in on them, also not only are they fine but our heroes 100% knew everybody would be fine."

You took away their guns, they were 40 feet away, and you jokingly fired a bomb at them. That shit is attempted murder.

At this point there are no rules, there are no stakes, there is no reason to care because it's a bunch of people who in everything they do communicate "none of this matters or is a serious risk" which would be ok enough if they didn't every so often pretend "that guy said no before he was killed so it's bad" or "mommy you have to go to prison because your attempted murder worked. I just shot a man in the chest with an arrow even though that man made it clear he didn't want to fight me, but that wasn't bad because my attempted murder didn't work."

Fuck Disney/Marvel now.

Makes me want to rewatch Daredevil and remember what good TV can be when it's not this mandatory maximum of lukewarm writing and intelligence.

I'll give the producers credit. On paper this is a great idea for a show, but everything past the outline phase really fucked it up.

Also, Clint, it's fucking christmas morning and you've been an absentee father, you can wait 20 fucking minutes to barbeque your suit.

PS: Why was it ok for Clint to kill like 1000 people as the Ronin, but Hawkgirl's mom can't get forgiveness for killing 1? That old guy was kinda shitty. Whose to say he wasn't more evil than henchman #2312 that mustache man slit the throat of with his sword but we never zoomed in on it.

PPS: Seriously though, you are telling me slitting the guts of 40 people with swords and that is not a criminal charge? Everybody's fine? Is it literal larping logic for these scenes?

PPPS: Disney/Marvel is for babies now.
You're overthinking and just nitpicking. Why even watch a show if you're just going to bitch and moan about damn near everything?

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