Board 8 > I was reminded of the moves that were cut from Pokémon Sword and Shield

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Raka_Putra 12/12/21 12:13:03 PM #1:	* Asterisk = available in BDSP Assist Barrage Barrier Bestow Bide Bone Club Bubble Camouflage Captivate Chip Away Clamp Comet Punch Constrict Dizzy Punch Double Slap Dragon Rage Egg Bomb Embargo Feint Attack Flash * Flame Burst Foresight Frustration Grass Whistle Heal Block Heal Order Heart Stamp Heart Swap * Hidden Power * Ice Ball Ion Deluge Jump Kick Karate Chop Lucky Chant Magnet Bomb Magnitude Me First Meditate Miracle Eye Mirror Move Mirror Shot Mud Bomb Mud Sport Natural Gift Needle Arm Nightmare Odor Sleuth Ominous Wind Psycho Boost * Psywave Pursuit Punishment Rage Razor Wind Refresh Return Rock Climb * Rolling Kick Rototiller Secret Power Sharpen Signal Beam Sky Drop Sky Uppercut Silver Wind Smelling Salts Snatch Spider Web Spike Cannon Sonic Boom Steamroller Synchronoise Tail Glow * Telekinesis Trump Card Twineedle Wake-Up Slap Water Sport Wring Out From Let's Go Pikachu/Eeevee: Baddy Bad Bouncy Bubble Buzzy Buzz Floaty Fall Freezy Frost Glitzy Glow Pika Papow Sappy Seed Sizzly Slide Sparkly Swirl Splishy Splash Veevee Volley Zippy Zap Well, from a game development perspective I suppose I can tolerate that they need to make cuts to save space on the cartridge or whatever, but personally (as a casual player) there are some classic moves that I wish they didn't cut. Especially weaker but longstanding moves useable by Pokmon in their early levels (Bubble, Magnitude, Ominous Wind, Ice Ball) and Bug moves since I feel like they are so few of them already (Steamroller, Signal Beam, Tail Glow, Silver Wind, Heal Order). Removal 'signature' moves or moves that are strongly associated with certain Pokmon also potentially makes them feel less unique. What do you think? Any moves you want back? --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:960848603] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>* Asterisk = available in BDSP AssistBarrageBarrierBestowBideBone ClubBubbleCamouflageCaptivateChip AwayClampComet PunchConstrictDizzy PunchDouble SlapDragon RageEgg BombEmbargoFeint AttackFlash Flame BurstForesightFrustrationGrass WhistleHeal BlockHeal OrderHeart StampHeart Swap Hidden Power Ice BallIon DelugeJump KickKarate ChopLucky ChantMagnet BombMagnitudeMe FirstMeditateMiracle EyeMirror MoveMirror ShotMud BombMud SportNatural GiftNeedle ArmNightmareOdor SleuthOminous WindPsycho Boost PsywavePursuitPunishment RageRazor WindRefreshReturnRock Climb Rolling KickRototillerSecret PowerSharpenSignal BeamSky DropSky UppercutSilver WindSmelling SaltsSnatchSpider WebSpike CannonSonic BoomSteamrollerSynchronoiseTail Glow TelekinesisTrump CardTwineedleWake-Up SlapWater SportWring OutFrom Let's Go Pikachu/Eeevee: Baddy BadBouncy BubbleBuzzy BuzzFloaty FallFreezy FrostGlitzy GlowPika PapowSappy SeedSizzly SlideSparkly SwirlSplishy SplashVeevee VolleyZippy Zap Well, from a game development perspective I suppose I can tolerate that they need to make cuts to save space on the cartridge or whatever, but personally (as a casual player) there are some classic moves that I wish they didn't cut. Especially weaker but longstanding moves useable by Pokmon in their early levels (Bubble, Magnitude, Ominous Wind, Ice Ball) and Bug moves since I feel like they are so few of them already (Steamroller, Signal Beam, Tail Glow, Silver Wind, Heal Order). Removal 'signature' moves or moves that are strongly associated with certain Pokmon also potentially makes them feel less unique. What do you think? Any moves you want back? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 12/12/21 12:38:40 PM #2:	WTF Why'd They Cut This!? Bubble Dragon Rage Egg Bomb Feint Attack Hidden Power * Mirror Move Mud Bomb Signal Beam Sky Uppercut Good Stuff I'd Miss Bone Club Comet Punch Ice Ball Karate Chop Magnitude Mirror Shot Needle Arm Ominous Wind Silver Wind I Don't Have a Name for This Tier Dizzy Punch Double Slap Flame Burst Jump Kick Magnet Bomb Psywave Pursuit Razor Wind Return Rolling Kick Sonic Boom Spike Cannon Telekinesis Twineedle What Ever Assist Barrage Barrier Bide Clamp Constrict Embargo Flash Grass Whistle Meditate Nightmare Rock Climb Rototiller Secret Power Sharpen Sky Drop Spider Web Wake-Up Slap I Forgot This Existed: Camouflage Captivate Chip Away Heal Block Heal Order Heart Stamp Heart Swap Ion Deluge Lucky Chant Miracle Eye Natural Gift Punishment Rage Steamroller Synchronoise Tail Glow Trump Card Wring Out GET LOST: Bestow Foresight Frustration Me First Mud Sport Odor Sleuth Psycho Boost Refresh Snatch Smelling Salts Water Sport --- BlueCrystalTear \| You're living your own life. You're you. #FearTheDear \| ((FREE HUGS)) <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:960849170] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>WTF Why'd They Cut This!? Bubble Dragon Rage Egg Bomb Feint Attack Hidden Power * Mirror Move Mud Bomb Signal Beam Sky Uppercut Good Stuff I'd Miss Bone Club Comet Punch Ice Ball Karate Chop Magnitude Mirror Shot Needle Arm Ominous Wind Silver Wind I Don't Have a Name for This Tier Dizzy Punch Double Slap Flame Burst Jump Kick Magnet Bomb Psywave Pursuit Razor Wind Return Rolling Kick Sonic Boom Spike Cannon Telekinesis Twineedle What Ever Assist Barrage Barrier Bide Clamp Constrict Embargo Flash Grass Whistle Meditate Nightmare Rock Climb Rototiller Secret Power Sharpen Sky Drop Spider Web Wake-Up Slap I Forgot This Existed: Camouflage Captivate Chip Away Heal Block Heal Order Heart Stamp Heart Swap Ion Deluge Lucky Chant Miracle Eye Natural Gift Punishment Rage Steamroller Synchronoise Tail Glow Trump Card Wring Out GET LOST: Bestow Foresight Frustration Me First Mud Sport Odor Sleuth Psycho Boost Refresh Snatch Smelling Salts Water Sport</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 12/12/21 12:41:42 PM #3:	I think I remember seeing a post somewhere that if Hidden Power was in Sword and Shield that it'd be a balance nightmare because any pokemon could have access to any Dynamax move. Not sure how bad that'd be. --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:960849244] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I think I remember seeing a post somewhere that if Hidden Power was in Sword and Shield that it'd be a balance nightmare because any pokemon could have access to any Dynamax move. Not sure how bad that'd be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 12/12/21 12:48:10 PM #4:	Hidden Power was already a balancing nightmare long before Dynamax --- Congrats to azuarc for winning the GotD Guru! <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:960849393] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Hidden Power was already a balancing nightmare long before Dynamax </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 12/12/21 1:21:39 PM #5:	I'm going to say one of those moves... I'm glad it's gone. Karate Chop fucking ended ended the Nuzlocke run I was playing. It only failed to crit once, and literally ripped my entire team to shreds. I didn't even mean to type ended twice there, but that's how fucking hard it was hitting me. Even pogeys that resisted Fighting type only lasted two(ish) hits. Potions essentially read as "throw this away to see the opponent crit an additional time." --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:960850266] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I'm going to say one of those moves... I'm glad it's gone. Karate Chop fucking ended ended the Nuzlocke run I was playing. It only failed to crit once, and literally ripped my entire team to shreds. I didn't even mean to type ended twice there, but that's how fucking hard it was hitting me. Even pogeys that resisted Fighting type only lasted two(ish) hits. Potions essentially read as "throw this away to see the opponent crit an additional time." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 12/12/21 1:25:17 PM #6:	ChichiriMuyo posted... I'm going to say one of those moves... I'm glad it's gone. Karate Chop fucking ended ended the Nuzlocke run I was playing. It only failed to crit once, and literally ripped my entire team to shreds. I didn't even mean to type ended twice there, but that's how fucking hard it was hitting me. Even pogeys that resisted Fighting type only lasted two(ish) hits. Potions essentially read as "throw this away to see the opponent crit an additional time." Was this HGSS I swear the critical rate for enemies in that game is like 50% before any bonuses --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:960850340] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>I'm going to say one of those moves... I'm glad it's gone. Karate Chop fucking ended ended the Nuzlocke run I was playing. It only failed to crit once, and literally ripped my entire team to shreds. I didn't even mean to type ended twice there, but that's how fucking hard it was hitting me. Even pogeys that resisted Fighting type only lasted two(ish) hits. Potions essentially read as "throw this away to see the opponent crit an additional time."</quote>Was this HGSS I swear the critical rate for enemies in that game is like 50% before any bonuses </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/12/21 1:42:57 PM #7:	Some moves that were added in Sword and Shield are already unusable in BDSP, the whole thing is stupid. I can cope with never having every pokemon in one game again, but adding and subtracting moves from each game is too annoying to deal with. --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:960850801] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Some moves that were added in Sword and Shield are already unusable in BDSP, the whole thing is stupid. I can cope with never having every pokemon in one game again, but adding and subtracting moves from each game is too annoying to deal with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 12/12/21 1:45:08 PM #8:	It looks like they're cutting a lot of early/midgame moves. Like, once you have Earthquake you don't care about Magnitude, once you have Bonemerang/Bone Rush you can ignore Bone Club... but there's generally a lot of gameplay in between. It's always kind of annoying when a Pokmon doesn't have access to STAB. I suppose, now that TMs are reusable (except for the D/P remakes?) they may be expecting those to pick up the slack. On the flip side, Razor Wind has been useless since day one and I can't say I'm sorry to see it go. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:960850856] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>It looks like they're cutting a lot of early/midgame moves. Like, once you have Earthquake you don't care about Magnitude, once you have Bonemerang/Bone Rush you can ignore Bone Club... but there's generally a lot of gameplay in between. It's always kind of annoying when a Pokmon doesn't have access to STAB. I suppose, now that TMs are reusable (except for the D/P remakes?) they may be expecting those to pick up the slack. On the flip side, Razor Wind has been useless since day one and I can't say I'm sorry to see it go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 12/12/21 3:29:10 PM #9:	Hbthebattle posted... Hidden Power was already a balancing nightmare long before Dynamax Yeah, they only gave it to Unown in BDSP, so I think Dynamax had nothing to do with it and it was a balancing thing. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:960853646] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite> <quote>Hidden Power was already a balancing nightmare long before Dynamax</quote> Yeah, they only gave it to Unown in BDSP, so I think Dynamax had nothing to do with it and it was a balancing thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 12/12/21 3:31:22 PM #10:	I hate how they removed Happy Hour (or any other double money making move) --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:960853701] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I hate how they removed Happy Hour (or any other double money making move) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceOfKoopas 12/12/21 3:40:46 PM #11:	I'm upset they didn't bring back Heal Order for BDSP! --- For the best videogame commentary story on the Internet (sometimes featuring GameFAQs poll of the days and contest discussion) visit https://www.koopatv.org <cite>PrinceOfKoopas posted [p:960853964] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I'm upset they didn't bring back Heal Order for BDSP! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 12/12/21 3:43:35 PM #12:	I don't know why they would, since Vespiquen was in Sword and Shield and they still cut it. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:960854022] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I don't know why they would, since Vespiquen was in Sword and Shield and they still cut it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 12/12/21 3:49:19 PM #13:	They added HP back? Ugh. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:960854177] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>They added HP back? Ugh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 12/12/21 3:51:32 PM #14:	I don't get why Heal Order got cut but Defend Order and Attack Order stuck around. All three are Vespiquen unique, and it's not like Heal Order is any less distinct than Defend Order (Vespiquen gets Roost but that at least has another property to it, Defend Order would be entirely redundant if Vespiquen just learned Cosmic Power instead). Attack Order sticking around at least makes sense. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:960854236] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I don't get why Heal Order got cut but Defend Order and Attack Order stuck around. All three are Vespiquen unique, and it's not like Heal Order is any less distinct than Defend Order (Vespiquen gets Roost but that at least has another property to it, Defend Order would be entirely redundant if Vespiquen just learned Cosmic Power instead). Attack Order sticking around at least makes sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 12/12/21 3:54:09 PM #15:	Anagram posted... They added HP back? Ugh. Only for Unown. So essentially no --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:960854320] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Anagram posted... </cite> <quote>They added HP back? Ugh.</quote> Only for Unown. So essentially no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/12/21 4:20:20 PM #16:	Once they add Pokmon Home support in BDSP you could move something that already knows it into the game, right? --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:960855061] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Once they add Pokmon Home support in BDSP you could move something that already knows it into the game, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 12/12/21 4:21:36 PM #17:	Good point, I suppose that could happen --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:960855101] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Good point, I suppose that could happen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/12/21 4:27:26 PM #18:	I do dislike getting rid of moves like Magnitude. It feels like there are so few Ground-type moves available during the level-up process. It's just Mudslap (which sucks), Bulldoze (which isn't on everything), Dig (again, not on everything), and Earthquake at high levels. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:960855249] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I do dislike getting rid of moves like Magnitude. It feels like there are so few Ground-type moves available during the level-up process. It's just Mudslap (which sucks), Bulldoze (which isn't on everything), Dig (again, not on everything), and Earthquake at high levels. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GavsEvans123 12/12/21 4:46:46 PM #19:	I have no idea how Submission survived the purge, as it's one of the worst moves in the game in my opinion. It has 80 power, which isn't bad at first glance, but there are stronger moves that are more accessible, like Close Combat. No, what really makes Submission suck is its 80% accuracy combined with recoil damage. The move would need to be at least twice as strong as it is to justify those drawbacks. On top of that, it has low distribution so you'll hardly ever see it used anyway. <cite>GavsEvans123 posted [p:960855815] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>I have no idea how Submission survived the purge, as it's one of the worst moves in the game in my opinion. It has 80 power, which isn't bad at first glance, but there are stronger moves that are more accessible, like Close Combat. No, what really makes Submission suck is its 80% accuracy combined with recoil damage. The move would need to be at least twice as strong as it is to justify those drawbacks. On top of that, it has low distribution so you'll hardly ever see it used anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 12/12/21 4:48:39 PM #20:	Yeah I watched a video recently about gen 1 fighting types and I didn't realize just how bad Submission was until then --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:960855872] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I watched a video recently about gen 1 fighting types and I didn't realize just how bad Submission was until then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 12/12/21 6:07:15 PM #21:	Pursuit being cut was a solid loss for competitive play. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:960858047] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Pursuit being cut was a solid loss for competitive play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 12/12/21 6:12:23 PM #22:	hombad46 posted... Yeah I watched a video recently about gen 1 fighting types and I didn't realize just how bad Submission was until then Got to love gen 1 fighting types being completely awful with only one being able to kind of sort of pretend it's a (bad) niche pick despite the top three Pokemon that are on 99.9% of teams all being normal types. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:960858184] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>hombad46 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah I watched a video recently about gen 1 fighting types and I didn't realize just how bad Submission was until then</quote> Got to love gen 1 fighting types being completely awful with only one being able to kind of sort of pretend it's a (bad) niche pick despite the top three Pokemon that are on 99.9% of teams all being normal types. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alanna82 12/12/21 8:38:38 PM #23:	What was wrong with Feint Attack. I love 100% accuracy moves. --- Don't mess with a Bunny! <cite>Alanna82 posted [p:960862290] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>What was wrong with Feint Attack. I love 100% accuracy moves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 12/12/21 8:52:25 PM #24:	ctesjbuvf posted... Pursuit being cut was a solid loss for competitive play. Yeah, I was surprised by its cut as well. It's just such a solid move that rewards players who can predict switch-ins. --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:960862694] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>Pursuit being cut was a solid loss for competitive play.</quote>Yeah, I was surprised by its cut as well. It's just such a solid move that rewards players who can predict switch-ins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 12/12/21 9:14:55 PM #25:	What was wrong with Feint Attack. No idea. I mean, they didn't cut Swift, Magical Leaf, or Aerial Ace, so it's clear that "this is a 60 power move that always hits" isn't disqualifying. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:960863275] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>What was wrong with Feint Attack. No idea. I mean, they didn't cut Swift, Magical Leaf, or Aerial Ace, so it's clear that "this is a 60 power move that always hits" isn't disqualifying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 12/12/21 9:56:02 PM #26:	hombad46 posted... Yeah I watched a video recently about gen 1 fighting types and I didn't realize just how bad Submission was until then Yeah wasn't Hi Jump Kick the only really decent Fighting move in Gen 1? <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:960864340] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>hombad46 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah I watched a video recently about gen 1 fighting types and I didn't realize just how bad Submission was until then</quote>Yeah wasn't Hi Jump Kick the only really decent Fighting move in Gen 1? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 12/12/21 11:59:14 PM #27:	Yeah and it was restricted to Hitmonlee --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:960867259] in I was remi... [t:79807050]...</cite> <quote>Yeah and it was restricted to Hitmonlee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > I was reminded of the moves that were cut from Pokémon Sword and Shield