Poll of the Day > Most omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/most-reported-us-omicron-cases-have-hit-the-fully-vaccinated-cdc/ar-AARH7wE?ocid=uxbndlbing

Most of the 43 COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States so far were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose, according to a U.S. report published on Friday.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster

Its almost like fully vaccinated individuals are the ones that promptly seek out aid from healthcare services.

This is one of those things that will likely change dynamically in the coming months and weeks just like the original outbreak and delta after it.

jumping to conclusions over such a small amount of data is just shotty, half assed trolling

^Edit: shoddy, lol

UnMead posted...

jumping to conclusions over such a small amount of data

The only person here jumping to conclusions is you for all I have done is post a scientific news article. Looks like you are the one making all the assumptions, no?

Is this why early data suggests omicron is less threatening than delta? Because vaccines help with symptom severity.

MartianManchild posted...

The only person here jumping to conclusions is you for all I have done is post a scientific news article. Looks like you are the one making all the assumptions, no?

based on historic precedent regarding the nature of your trolling, I trust my gut when it comes to your intentions

Vaxxed people also got delta, a lot of them just don't know it

It's not really a vaccine per se

Ok, you also left this part out...

Most of them only had mild symptoms such as coughing, congestion, and fatigue, the report said, and one person was hospitalized for two days.

Well yeah, that's how statistics work; if the majority of the population has received their shots, then the majority of cases will present in the immunized population, especially when they have let their guard down, stopped wearing masks, and given up on social distancing.

UnMead posted...

This is one of those things that will likely change dynamically in the coming months and weeks just like the original outbreak and delta after it.

This.

Pfizer has indicated they will have a booster specific to the omicron variant ready by March, so that will help.

From what I am reading there is a significant mutation to omicron's DNA that reduces the ability of extant immunizations to target the spike protein on the virus, (down to three points of contact from nine with delta and the original recipe) but the immunization [Pfizer, Moderna, Jansen, et al] will still provide a measure of protection against severe infection and death.

If you have not gotten your booster (third shot) then do so, from what I have read, the ability for immunizations to provide full protections drops by an order of magnitude (41 fold decrease) but a third dose creates an (aprox.) 71 fold increase in antibody protections.

Travellers are typically fully vaccinated due to travel restrictions. Viruses appear in new countries because of people travelling. The new variant hasn't had much time to spread in the USA, so most people that have it recently travelled, and therefore are likely fully vaccinated.

This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

faramir77 posted...

The new variant hasn't had much time to spread

Unfortunately, this variant does not need much time to spread. Data out of the UK shows omicron cases doubling every 2.4 days.

It's really virulent, with best guesses indicating that patient zero for omicron was sick with both the delta variant and the common flu at the same time.

This is also resulting in an increase in false negatives due to how much of the virus has mutated from the original. It is quite possible that case counts are higher then reported numbers.

JixHedgehog posted...

Vaxxed people also got delta, a lot of them just don't know it

It's not really a vaccine per se

stop making crap up and spreading conspiracy misinformation

For further context, 34/43 is 79.1% of the cases, compared to a national vaccination rate of 60.7%. That sample size is too small to use a normal approximation (43*(1-.791)=9.0, which is less than 10), but if we do so anyway, we get a P value of 0.007 (that is, a 0.7% chance that this difference can be explained by random chance, well below the usual threshold of 5% that's used to determine significance).

A proper analysis would involve comparing the incidence to local vaccination rates, rather than national (which would definitely be too small a sample size to conclude anything), but that does suggest that some factors are at play making vaccinated people more vulnerable to it. The most likely explanation I can think of is that vaxxed people are more likely to have travelled to the areas where Omicron has been spreading, given that so much travelling outright requires vaccination these days. Restaurant exposures are also going to overwhelmingly be fully vaccinated people if those are the only people allowed into restaurants. I can think of no mechanism by which, all of factors being equal, Omicron would be more likely to infect a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated one, so it's most likely some sort of confounding variable instead.

JixHedgehog posted...

It's not really a vaccine per se

Why do people keep saying this? Absolutely nothing about it is true.

adjl posted...

For further context, 34/43 is 79.1% of the cases, compared to a national vaccination rate of 60.7%. That sample size is too small to use a normal approximation (43*(1-.791)=9.0, which is less than 10), but if we do so anyway, we get a P value of 0.007 (that is, a 0.7% chance that this difference can be explained by random chance, well below the usual threshold of 5% that's used to determine significance).

A proper analysis would involve comparing the incidence to local vaccination rates, rather than national (which would definitely be too small a sample size to conclude anything), but that does suggest that some factors are at play making vaccinated people more vulnerable to it. The most likely explanation I can think of is that vaxxed people are more likely to have travelled to the areas where Omicron has been spreading, given that so much travelling outright requires vaccination these days. Restaurant exposures are also going to overwhelmingly be fully vaccinated people if those are the only people allowed into restaurants. I can think of no mechanism by which, all of factors being equal, Omicron would be more likely to infect a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated one, so it's most likely some sort of confounding variable instead.

Why do people keep saying this? Absolutely nothing about it is true.

Another thing is, we dont know how many vaccinated people have come in contact with with infected people. Is it 100% of them getting it, or has there been 100s/1000s that have and only 34 have.

adjl posted...

Why do people keep saying this?

Because it's an inoculation that protects against serious infection and death; when people hear the word vaccine, they automatically think total immunity which this does not provide.

It should have been called an inoculation, but the then POTUS couldn't pronounce the word, so for the sake of consistent messaging, they went with the word he could pronounce.

Ogurisama posted...

Another thing is, we dont know how many vaccinated people have come in contact with with infected people. Is it 100% of them getting it, or has there been 100s/1000s that have and only 34 have.

In theory, a large enough sample size will tell us that without needing that specific data, since we can safely assume that their exposure rate has been the same as everyone else's. In practice, I expect there to be a discrepancy for quite some time due to travel restrictions and other limitations placed on the unvaxxed, but time will tell.

KodyKeir posted...

Because it's an inoculation that protects against serious infection and death; when people hear the word vaccine, they automatically think total immunity which this does not provide.

It should have been called an inoculation, but the then POTUS couldn't pronounce the word, so for the sake of consistent messaging, they went with the word he could pronounce.

But vaccines don't provide total immunity. They never have.

you have to wonder why tc still keeps up this gimmick account when all that ever happens is him getting covered in shit

KodyKeir posted...

when people hear the word vaccine, they automatically think total immunity which this does not provide.

Sure. But just because they are wrong doesn't mean that it's not a vaccine. That just means they don't know what a vaccine is... Vaccines have never been 100%, and they should understand it. If they don't, that's their fault. It doesn't mean it's not a vaccine because it doesn't fit their definition of a vaccine... If anything, they just need someone to teach them about it...

adjl posted...

But vaccines don't provide total immunity. They never have.

Try to tell that to the average lay person whose understanding (prior to the pandemic) of what a vaccine is, boils down to vague recollections of an explanation given to them back in grade school. Vaccination and Inoculation have clinical differences, and that's separate from how they have been used in society at large; (IMO) had we started off by calling them inoculations against serious infection and death, we could have saved ourselves a world of troubles.

We still would have seen the politicization, but I believe the difference in believed common definitions would have tempered some of the reactions we have seen from the pro-virus crowd.

(I've stopped calling them anti-vaxxers, they have sided with the virus and their descriptor should reflect that stance if only to make it clear they have taken an ideological position)

adjl posted...

But vaccines don't provide total immunity. They never have.

Yeah, especially when you are talking about another strain entirely. Although, thankfully the Omicron does not seem too serious.

Bulbasaur posted...

you have to wonder why tc still keeps up this gimmick account when all that ever happens is him getting covered in shit

I genuinely wonder if he isn't deliberately arguing his apparent position poorly so people that are on the fence see him getting ripped apart and learn better than to agree with him. It just happens so consistently that it makes me suspect it's not an accident. But then it's just as likely that he's completely clueless and pointedly ignores everything that disagrees with him, so who knows?

Its a dumb enough argument that it tracks pretty well with all the anti-vaxx nonsense beliefs all over the internet

adjl posted...

Restaurant exposures are also going to overwhelmingly be fully vaccinated people if those are the only people allowed into restaurants

I agree with everything you said but I don't think many restaurants in the US are checking vaccination cards. I've traveled to some really blue cities and have never encountered that

OhhhJa posted...

I agree with everything you said but I don't think many restaurants in the US are checking vaccination cards. I've traveled to some really blue cities and have never encountered that

*Shrug* I can really only speak to the handful of local places that I've visited, and that reflects absolutely nothing about the US. The vaccine mandate for restaurants is mostly in full force here, much to the chagrin of the ~15% of the population that's refusing to get the jabs, but that's just too bad for them.

Bulbasaur posted...

you have to wonder why tc still keeps up this gimmick account when all that ever happens is him getting covered in shit

Coprophilia, obviously

Zareth posted...

Coprophilia, obviously

what does him having a large ass fetish have to do with it?

Bet man's surprised most darts thrown hit the dartboard anywhere but the bullseye too.

Directly comparing Covid cases between the vaccinated and unvaccinated skews the data.

You need to compare Covid cases among the vaccinated, with Covid cases among the unvaccinated.